ps1 games played on ps2. what changes?

posix · April 18th, 2006

see topic title.
obviously, i'm bloody new to this. i don't even have ever had a psx or ps2.
but i'm interested in psx/ps2 emulation.

i've heard that ps1 games look much better and have an overall nicer handling feel when run on a ps2.
is that true?
are there other changes?

FrostyTheSnowman · April 18th, 2006

They feel basically the same on the PS2. There is a few options in the BIOS to make PSX games look nicer, but they really don't work.

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industrian · April 18th, 2006

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it comes down to bilinear filtering and faster load times when these options are selected.

FrostyTheSnowman · April 18th, 2006

That's what you would think, but honestly I have never noticed a difference. The disc read speed is noticable, but the textures are not improved. And I spent a good few hours comparing games to be sure when I first got my PS2.

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posix · April 18th, 2006

can you emulate ps1 games with a ps2 emulator and get better results than with a dedicated ps1 emulator?

WinterHell · April 18th, 2006

most likely you'll get worse results.

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industrian · April 18th, 2006

True. WTF would you want to even attempt that anyways when ePSXe works so well.

**hushypushy** · April 18th, 2006

FrostyTheSnowman: when i first got my PS2, i was excited to try, and i tried several games and definitely noticed an enhancement. games with a lot of polygons like MGS or Vagrant Story really see the benefit. go ahead industrian, use that new tv card to show us

posix: the PS1 on PS2 emulator debate has shown up a million times. its useless, because there are a bunch of good PSX emulators that do the same job, but better.

industrian · April 18th, 2006

I did an experiment with my new TV card, component-in, Dscaler and MGS...

Lets just say that I'm sticking with ePSXe.

FrostyTheSnowman · April 18th, 2006

Unless your incredibly anal, most people don't notice a difference. Especially on a standard TV.

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posix · April 18th, 2006

okay guys. thank you. i was just being curious.

another question.
i see epsxe supports savestates. does it also support input recording?
anyone know the arcade emulator "winkawaks". like many others, you can record your own gameplay in it. the emulator saves a state when you start recording and then adds your input commands to a *.rec file.
is there any psx emulator that can do this?
i need this for capturing gameplay to video reasons because you can most strikingly improve the quality when capturing digitally from your computer.

fireblaster_lyz · April 18th, 2006

I think there is with the P.E.OpS Software GPU plugin.
Otherwise you have to stick to FRAPS.

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**hushypushy** · April 19th, 2006

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Originally Posted by FrostyTheSnowman

Unless your incredibly anal, most people don't notice a difference. Especially on a standard TV.

i have a crappy 20" Sony TV from the late 90s (built in VCR, woot!). i can definitely tell the difference.

loadtimes are a bit better for games like Thrasher Skate and Destroy which have a lot of loading.

FrostyTheSnowman · April 19th, 2006

Okay, okay. Left and right, I seem to be wrong. It's up to you to use it or not, but I just think sony could've done ALOT better on the texture enhancement.

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Aided Onslaught · April 19th, 2006

[quote=hushypushy]i have a crappy 20" Sony TV from the late 90s (built in VCR, woot!). i can definitely tell the difference.

I have the same tv, and I notice a huge differnce in games that don't have problems with the options. Brave fencer is one of the best. Load times are much nicer with something like NFS3

I think sony did a fine job for the time, just something simple to add. A little update to say the least.

Question. It renders games in 16bit color correct? Since at the time 32 wasn't supported in full 3D?

emerson2x · April 19th, 2006

[quote=Aided Onslaught]

Quote:

Originally Posted by hushypushy

i have a crappy 20" Sony TV from the late 90s (built in VCR, woot!). i can definitely tell the difference.

I have the same tv, and I notice a huge differnce in games that don't have problems with the options. Brave fencer is one of the best. Load times are much nicer with something like NFS3

I think sony did a fine job for the time, just something simple to add. A little update to say the least.

Question. It renders games in 16bit color correct? Since at the time 32 wasn't supported in full 3D?

The PSX console run games at 16-bit color, while it plays movies in 24 bit color mode.

The General · April 22nd, 2006

There is no big difference. Nevertheless, i dont want a ps2. So i just bought myself a psone, and i play my psx games on psone , as well with the pc.

If you want to see a big difference in psx games, just play them on your computer.

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**Cid Highwind** · April 23rd, 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by hushypushy

FrostyTheSnowman: when i first got my PS2, i was excited to try, and i tried several games and definitely noticed an enhancement. games with a lot of polygons like MGS or Vagrant Story really see the benefit. go ahead industrian, use that new tv card to show us

posix: the PS1 on PS2 emulator debate has shown up a million times. its useless, because there are a bunch of good PSX emulators that do the same job, but better.

Yeah go ahead industrian, maybe we can compare the MGS shots with some bleemcast ones

/runs for cover

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**hushypushy** · April 23rd, 2006

mgs on bleemcast looks leet.

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posix Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: germany Posts: 9	ps1 games played on ps2. what changes? see topic title. obviously, i'm bloody new to this. i don't even have ever had a psx or ps2. but i'm interested in psx/ps2 emulation. i've heard that ps1 games look much better and have an overall nicer handling feel when run on a ps2. is that true? are there other changes?

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April 18th, 2006	#2 (permalink)
FrostyTheSnowman XBOX Modder Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Utah Posts: 659	They feel basically the same on the PS2. There is a few options in the BIOS to make PSX games look nicer, but they really don't work. __________________ Full VGA Support For Modchips! (VGA Patcher v0.6-v0.8 Development Thread) FrostyTheSnowman's VGA Patcher v0.8 & Evox M8+ VGA Patcher Frosty's v1.0 5101 Retail BIOS FrostyTheSnowman's XBOX Gallery (Pictures of my XBOXes)

April 18th, 2006	#3 (permalink)
industrian Suicide is Painless Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: ~ Posts: 4,260	Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it comes down to bilinear filtering and faster load times when these options are selected.

April 18th, 2006	#4 (permalink)
FrostyTheSnowman XBOX Modder Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Utah Posts: 659	That's what you would think, but honestly I have never noticed a difference. The disc read speed is noticable, but the textures are not improved. And I spent a good few hours comparing games to be sure when I first got my PS2. __________________ Full VGA Support For Modchips! (VGA Patcher v0.6-v0.8 Development Thread) FrostyTheSnowman's VGA Patcher v0.8 & Evox M8+ VGA Patcher Frosty's v1.0 5101 Retail BIOS FrostyTheSnowman's XBOX Gallery (Pictures of my XBOXes)

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posix Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: germany Posts: 9	can you emulate ps1 games with a ps2 emulator and get better results than with a dedicated ps1 emulator?

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WinterHell programmer Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Varna,Bulgaria Posts: 203	most likely you'll get worse results. __________________ ...until the day the sky rained fire! C2D 2x2.8Ghz,2GB DDR 800 KingSton,Geforce 9600GT PD 2x2.8Ghz,2GB DDR 666 Kingston,Geforce 6600GT,HD Audio,19" ViewSonic VX924 Sonic Team Rulzz

April 18th, 2006	#7 (permalink)
industrian Suicide is Painless Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: ~ Posts: 4,260	True. WTF would you want to even attempt that anyways when ePSXe works so well.

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hushypushy the only one you've ever SEEN Join Date: May 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 21,978	FrostyTheSnowman: when i first got my PS2, i was excited to try, and i tried several games and definitely noticed an enhancement. games with a lot of polygons like MGS or Vagrant Story really see the benefit. go ahead industrian, use that new tv card to show us posix: the PS1 on PS2 emulator debate has shown up a million times. its useless, because there are a bunch of good PSX emulators that do the same job, but better.

April 18th, 2006	#9 (permalink)
industrian Suicide is Painless Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: ~ Posts: 4,260	I did an experiment with my new TV card, component-in, Dscaler and MGS... Lets just say that I'm sticking with ePSXe.

April 18th, 2006	#10 (permalink)
FrostyTheSnowman XBOX Modder Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Utah Posts: 659	Unless your incredibly anal, most people don't notice a difference. Especially on a standard TV. __________________ Full VGA Support For Modchips! (VGA Patcher v0.6-v0.8 Development Thread) FrostyTheSnowman's VGA Patcher v0.8 & Evox M8+ VGA Patcher Frosty's v1.0 5101 Retail BIOS FrostyTheSnowman's XBOX Gallery (Pictures of my XBOXes)

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posix Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: germany Posts: 9	okay guys. thank you. i was just being curious. another question. i see epsxe supports savestates. does it also support input recording? anyone know the arcade emulator "winkawaks". like many others, you can record your own gameplay in it. the emulator saves a state when you start recording and then adds your input commands to a *.rec file. is there any psx emulator that can do this? i need this for capturing gameplay to video reasons because you can most strikingly improve the quality when capturing digitally from your computer.

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fireblaster_lyz A Blast from the Past... Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,905	I think there is with the P.E.OpS Software GPU plugin. Otherwise you have to stick to FRAPS. __________________ Regards, fireblaster_lyz Plugin(s) Configuration: ePSXe/PSXeven/SSSPSX Pete's OpenGL GPU v2.7 \| Eternal SPU v1.41 \| P.E.O.p.S CDR Plugin Plugin(s) Links: Pete's Bernert Lewpy Configuration Guides: Troubleshooting FAQ (READ ME FIRST) Kane General Configuration Guide (in Japanese) Click here. (Dumping BIOS, Everything) "Because i want my computer to stay a computer. I dont want to be just a psx. "

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FrostyTheSnowman XBOX Modder Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Utah Posts: 659	Okay, okay. Left and right, I seem to be wrong. It's up to you to use it or not, but I just think sony could've done ALOT better on the texture enhancement. __________________ Full VGA Support For Modchips! (VGA Patcher v0.6-v0.8 Development Thread) FrostyTheSnowman's VGA Patcher v0.8 & Evox M8+ VGA Patcher Frosty's v1.0 5101 Retail BIOS FrostyTheSnowman's XBOX Gallery (Pictures of my XBOXes)

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Aided Onslaught Ocean Soul Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Charleston, S.C. Posts: 1,389	[quote=hushypushy]i have a crappy 20" Sony TV from the late 90s (built in VCR, woot!). i can definitely tell the difference. I have the same tv, and I notice a huge differnce in games that don't have problems with the options. Brave fencer is one of the best. Load times are much nicer with something like NFS3 I think sony did a fine job for the time, just something simple to add. A little update to say the least. Question. It renders games in 16bit color correct? Since at the time 32 wasn't supported in full 3D?

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The General " U2K Tha Greate$t " Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: CA, Red City Posts: 209	There is no big difference. Nevertheless, i dont want a ps2. So i just bought myself a psone, and i play my psx games on psone , as well with the pc. If you want to see a big difference in psx games, just play them on your computer. __________________ u2konline coming soon, #1 abandonware site online, best believe that.

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