Save states---- potential DEMOS?

**Prafull** · October 14th, 2001

Recently on our NGEMU site there have been discussion about "SAVE STATES" being used as potential "DEMOS" for some of the psx games played on epsxe.(See this thread http://www.ngemu.com/forums/showthre...&threadid=5374 . )All those who are interested in this can write in this thread about all games where save states can have DECENT value as a potential DEMO of the game.You can also vote above if you want.
Ok I was the first person to post about it so I will start. Only those games where its worth talking are given.

Game--- Winning Eleven 4
Save done--- First In Game menu
Performance--- All features except formations work, One whole match(incuding both halfs can be played).

Game--- Brian Lara Cricket
Save done--- Just before the first ball is bowled
Performance--- One innings can be played completely

Game--- Carmageddon
Save done--- When countdown for race begins
Performance--- One whole stage can be played

Game--- Metal Gear VR missions
Save done--- New mission starts
Performance--- One mission can be completed

Game--- Metal Gear Solid
Save done---(1)Right at start(snake comes out of water) (2)Snake comes out of first elevator
Performance---(1)Can get inside the elevator (2)Can get inside the building[cant press select]

Game--- Tomb Raider 4
Save done--- Right at start
Performance--- All I can say is its Very good.

Game--- Silent hill
Save done--- Various places
Performance--- Not as good,cant open the doors but sound effects are perfect

I would love to test it with racing games like driver,ridge racer,graun taurismo,need for speed .formula 1etc and also with sports games like fifa ,nba , nhl etc. because I think it may work well with these,but I dont have these games right now.

Last edited by Prafull; October 15th, 2001 at 13:10..

Asz · October 15th, 2001

Not a bad idea, if you were Sony.

**Shiori** · October 15th, 2001

dunno....too short for a good evaluation of a game IMO.

i mean, if i were using savestates to check whether i decide to buy a game or not, it's not enough to make an informed decision.

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**Prafull** · October 21st, 2001

So many days,so less votes ?Ok never mind atleast some people voted in last 3 days(when I was off).Ok now coming back to topic,neone tried any game and is ready to mail me some save states?

**Prafull** · October 27th, 2001

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Originally posted by Keiichi
dunno....too short for a good evaluation of a game IMO. i mean, if i were using savestates to check whether i decide to buy a game or not, it's not enough to make an informed decision.

I still remember those 2 minutes and 5 minutes demos of FIFA games and many racing game demos where you are allowed to complete just one circuit or one lap.(And still they sometimes take up 20-30 mb or may be greater space).If the save states are not better then them still they are nor worse.As far as psx demos goes,those available on net (I guess they are very legal) mostly shows a dancing doll or some 3d effect with music so save states will always be better.
Ok now I will try to get some more games and test them in few days time.

**Betamax** · October 27th, 2001

Could be a risky venture. Some oldergames might be completly stored on the save state.

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**Prafull** · October 30th, 2001

Few more games tested .Its very clear now that its very much like taking out the cd from your playstation once the game is loaded.

So sports games save states will have very good and long game play.Similarly games with very long levels also work well(mostly whole level is loaded in save state).Its for sure that there will be no cdda sound but you can make the graphics quality as good as your card allows. May also be good for taking screenshots.

AS mentioned by Betamax some older games which need to just load once at the start will be completely saved in the save state.

One thing I still cant get is how come the pc demos look so larger in size when compared to epsxe savestates.Take for example one of my favourite games "Brian Lara Cricket" .As mentioned above using epsxe save state you can play one whole innings(and most sound effects are also there) in its 1.5mb size while pc demo of the same game allows just 3 overs game play in 27mb size.

**fivefeet8** · October 30th, 2001

I think it would be a good idea just to see how a certain game would run on your particular system, but not to evaluate if the game was good or bad.. I have played psx games and then put in my music cd.. Listening to my own music while playing a game.. Of course I would have to put the psx cd back in when it needed to load something..

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**Prafull** · November 10th, 2001

Hi again,
Just wanted this thread to be a little revisited.
New info, I wanted to add that I emailed one of my savestates to one of my friends and he just couldnt believe that he can play the whole soccer match(world eleven 4) with all sound effects(except commentary) and all camera angles and options(except formations)without having the actual cd in a 1.5 mb file.
*This is the first time I tried it on a different computer and it worked great*

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**Prafull** · March 11th, 2002

Its not a very good idea to reopen very old threads but since so many new people have joined the threads and nowadays savestates are being extensively used both by emu/plugin authors as well as members here so reopened this thread to get some views.
And yes all those who can send save states to me,you are most welcome.

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October 14th, 2001	#1 (permalink)
Prafull Administrator, PCSX2 tester Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: India Posts: 5,046	Save states=potential DEMOS? Recently on our NGEMU site there have been discussion about "SAVE STATES" being used as potential "DEMOS" for some of the psx games played on epsxe.(See this thread http://www.ngemu.com/forums/showthre...&threadid=5374 . )All those who are interested in this can write in this thread about all games where save states can have DECENT value as a potential DEMO of the game.You can also vote above if you want. Ok I was the first person to post about it so I will start. Only those games where its worth talking are given. Game--- Winning Eleven 4 Save done--- First In Game menu Performance--- All features except formations work, One whole match(incuding both halfs can be played). Game--- Brian Lara Cricket Save done--- Just before the first ball is bowled Performance--- One innings can be played completely Game--- Carmageddon Save done--- When countdown for race begins Performance--- One whole stage can be played Game--- Metal Gear VR missions Save done--- New mission starts Performance--- One mission can be completed Game--- Metal Gear Solid Save done---(1)Right at start(snake comes out of water) (2)Snake comes out of first elevator Performance---(1)Can get inside the elevator (2)Can get inside the building[cant press select] Game--- Tomb Raider 4 Save done--- Right at start Performance--- All I can say is its Very good. Game--- Silent hill Save done--- Various places Performance--- Not as good,cant open the doors but sound effects are perfect I would love to test it with racing games like driver,ridge racer,graun taurismo,need for speed .formula 1etc and also with sports games like fifa ,nba , nhl etc. because I think it may work well with these,but I dont have these games right now. Last edited by Prafull; October 15th, 2001 at 13:10..

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Prafull Administrator, PCSX2 tester Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: India Posts: 5,046	And I thought people at NGEMU liked to vote. So many days,so less votes ?Ok never mind atleast some people voted in last 3 days(when I was off).Ok now coming back to topic,neone tried any game and is ready to mail me some save states?

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October 15th, 2001	#2 (permalink)
Asz EATS BREAKFAST WITH FACE Join Date: May 2001 Location: Tucson, Arizona Posts: 1,612	Not a bad idea, if you were Sony.

October 15th, 2001	#3 (permalink)
Shiori :3 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 10,126	dunno....too short for a good evaluation of a game IMO. i mean, if i were using savestates to check whether i decide to buy a game or not, it's not enough to make an informed decision. __________________ "...And when I finally meet you again, I want to ask you - have you found what you were looking for? Because that's what I felt you were doing, all these years. And I want to hear you answer, "Yes, I have, thank you for asking," and we'll be together again, until the end of our days..."

October 27th, 2001	#6 (permalink)
Betamax Resident Movie Critic Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland Posts: 9,508	Could be a risky venture. Some oldergames might be completly stored on the save state. __________________ Superior marketing of an inferior product will always win over inferior marketing of a superior product.

October 30th, 2001	#7 (permalink)
Prafull Administrator, PCSX2 tester Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: India Posts: 5,046	Few more games tested .Its very clear now that its very much like taking out the cd from your playstation once the game is loaded. So sports games save states will have very good and long game play.Similarly games with very long levels also work well(mostly whole level is loaded in save state).Its for sure that there will be no cdda sound but you can make the graphics quality as good as your card allows. May also be good for taking screenshots. AS mentioned by Betamax some older games which need to just load once at the start will be completely saved in the save state. One thing I still cant get is how come the pc demos look so larger in size when compared to epsxe savestates.Take for example one of my favourite games "Brian Lara Cricket" .As mentioned above using epsxe save state you can play one whole innings(and most sound effects are also there) in its 1.5mb size while pc demo of the same game allows just 3 overs game play in 27mb size.

October 30th, 2001	#8 (permalink)
fivefeet8 &-)---\|--< Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Smallville Posts: 7,698	I think it would be a good idea just to see how a certain game would run on your particular system, but not to evaluate if the game was good or bad.. I have played psx games and then put in my music cd.. Listening to my own music while playing a game.. Of course I would have to put the psx cd back in when it needed to load something.. __________________ Play emulated games online Main Rig\|\|Intel Q6600@3.2 ghertz\|4x1gb DDR2 1066\|Asrock 1600sli 110db LGA 775\|EVGA 8800gtx@620/1450/975\|2x Seagate 160gb SATA150 Raid0\|250 gb Samsung SATA2 HD\|Seagate 7000.10 500gb HD\|NEC 3520 4x/8x DVD+R/RW DL burner\|Antec TP 650 watt\|40" Sony Bravia 1080p\|20.1" 5ms LCD 1680x1050 Native\|Logitec 5.1 Speaker System w/15" Sub\|Dual Boot Ubuntu 64bit/Vista 32bit\|\| SimplyBuyIt - Health&Nutrition Last edited by fivefeet8; October 30th, 2001 at 06:50..

November 10th, 2001	#9 (permalink)
Prafull Administrator, PCSX2 tester Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: India Posts: 5,046	Hi again, Just wanted this thread to be a little revisited. New info, I wanted to add that I emailed one of my savestates to one of my friends and he just couldnt believe that he can play the whole soccer match(world eleven 4) with all sound effects(except commentary) and all camera angles and options(except formations)without having the actual cd in a 1.5 mb file. This is the first time I tried it on a different computer and it worked great Last edited by Prafull; November 10th, 2001 at 16:55..

March 11th, 2002	#10 (permalink)
Prafull Administrator, PCSX2 tester Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: India Posts: 5,046	Its not a very good idea to reopen very old threads but since so many new people have joined the threads and nowadays savestates are being extensively used both by emu/plugin authors as well as members here so reopened this thread to get some views. And yes all those who can send save states to me,you are most welcome. __________________ E6750, Abit ip35E, MSI GTX260, Transcend 2GB DDR2 800 RAM, BENQ E2200HD.