Do all PSX games use subchannels?

RZetlin · June 7th, 2003

When I create dump my PSX game to my hard drive, should the subchannel option be always be selected?

Why should the subchannel option be selected in the first place?

I find that PSX game like Megaman X4 can play just fine without a subchannel.

How do I know if a PSX game needs a subchannel selected or not?

Badaro · June 8th, 2003

AFAIK only copy-protected games require the subchannel reading.

[]s Badaro

June 8th, 2003

they usually crash on an odd place (menu, loading a level, early in the game) if they do...

Galway no Sora · June 8th, 2003

It's better leave this option checked, both data and audio subchannel. Since we don't know which game that protected, you don't want to wasting your time re-creating the ISO don't you

Mad · June 8th, 2003

i just created an ISO from valkyrie profile, with clone cd, and it created 3 files: and .IMG , .CCD , .SUB-is this a subchannel file??

Violineb · June 9th, 2003

yes indeed it is. And it can do 4 files if you wish. Sounds confusing no?
IMG CCD SUB and CUE

There's always ISO format but for copies Clone CD is best

Galway no Sora · June 9th, 2003

So you're playing VP right now, Mad?

**Prafull** · June 9th, 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Mad
i just created an ISO from valkyrie profile, with clone cd, and it created 3 files: and .IMG , .CCD , .SUB-is this a subchannel file??

Yes, thats the subchannel file. The big advantage of clone cd is that it can read subchannel data even if cdrom drive doesnt support it.

cperezprg · June 9th, 2003

Can I run a Clone Cd's Image (.Img) or must it always be an .iso (from CDR Win)?

I also have heard about a plugin (isoburner) that makes ISO from a CD. Where can I download it?

Thanks.

**I-Chan** · June 9th, 2003

I think it's better mounting an iso on a virtual drive. People has reported problems with built in iso reader in ePSXe, that won't happen with virtual drives or cd-r mooby. And both solutions allow a wider range of image file types to be used.

**Prafull** · June 9th, 2003

Actually my testing shows that epsxe iso reader is much more compatible than any virtual drives. I have few isos which show error in all virtual drive softwares but run perfectly in epsxe.
Similarly cdrmooby is really good in terms of features but compatibility still needs to improve.

And yes, clone cd images run perfectly fine with internal iso reader of epsxe.

Mad · June 10th, 2003

i use clone cd image-.img in epsxe just fine.
and yes prafull, i just made it using my normal creative 52x cd-rom, not my creative 8432 cd-r.
work flawless here.
PS-long time no seen.....

cperezprg · June 10th, 2003

>>And yes, clone cd images run perfectly fine with internal iso reader of epsxe.

>> i use clone cd image-.img in epsxe just fine.

Thanks. I have tried and it works.

June 7th, 2003	#1 (permalink)
RZetlin General of Tangerines Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Defending the Sea Posts: 3,885	Do all PSX games use subchannels? When I create dump my PSX game to my hard drive, should the subchannel option be always be selected? Why should the subchannel option be selected in the first place? I find that PSX game like Megaman X4 can play just fine without a subchannel. How do I know if a PSX game needs a subchannel selected or not? __________________ AMD Athlon 64 3700+ \| 2 GB RAM \| XFX Nvidia 6800 GS 256 MB XXX Edition \| Win XP Pro SP2

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Badaro Rosen Ritter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Brazil Posts: 3,401	AFAIK only copy-protected games require the subchannel reading. []s Badaro __________________ My old signature became obsolete and I lack imagination to make a new one.

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Galway no Sora ~¤ PanZeR ¤~ idRO Thor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Valhalla, in Odin's throne Posts: 3,145	It's better leave this option checked, both data and audio subchannel. Since we don't know which game that protected, you don't want to wasting your time re-creating the ISO don't you __________________ Core 2 Duo 1.6 GHz «» 2048MB DDR2 RAM «» 256MB onboard Graphic Onboard Realtek High Definition Soundcard «» 160 + 40 GB SATA HDD Pioneer DVD±RW «» 15.4" Widescreen LCD «» Windows Vista Ultimate Sucks ha? Yeah, that's a laptop for sure.

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Mad AKA snkmad Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Brazil, Fortaleza-Ceará Posts: 2,955	i just created an ISO from valkyrie profile, with clone cd, and it created 3 files: and .IMG , .CCD , .SUB-is this a subchannel file?? __________________ [WinXP SP3] [Gigabyte GA-M61PM-S2] [Athlon64 X2 3800+ @2.00Ghz] [XFX Geforce 8600GT XxX 256MB DDR3] [17" SyncMaster 753v] [Samsung SATA II HD250HJ 250GB] [Kingston 2x1GB DDR2 6400@800MHz CL6] [Samsung CDDVDW SH-S203B] [NVIDIA nForce Networking] [Realtek HD Audio ALC883] Baldurs Gate Dumps

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Violineb Study>Bton/Live>Bmore Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Bloomington, IN/Baltimore MD Posts: 1,351	yes indeed it is. And it can do 4 files if you wish. Sounds confusing no? IMG CCD SUB and CUE There's always ISO format but for copies Clone CD is best __________________ PC1: CPU: Pentium 4 3.06 ghz - GeForce 4200 ti - 2x 256MB PC 1066 RDRAM - 120+160GB Western Digital JB PC2: Abit NF7-S -AMD Athlon XP 1700+- 2x 256MB PC2700 Kingston HyperX BH-5 chips!!!! Western Digital 120GB JB GeForce3 Laptop: Sony Vaio VGN-S360 :guitar: 3DFX Voodoo 5500 PCI-Sega Dreamcast May 1999

June 8th, 2003	#3 (permalink)
Samor Guest Posts: n/a	they usually crash on an odd place (menu, loading a level, early in the game) if they do...

June 9th, 2003	#7 (permalink)
Galway no Sora ~¤ PanZeR ¤~ idRO Thor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Valhalla, in Odin's throne Posts: 3,145	So you're playing VP right now, Mad? __________________ Core 2 Duo 1.6 GHz «» 2048MB DDR2 RAM «» 256MB onboard Graphic Onboard Realtek High Definition Soundcard «» 160 + 40 GB SATA HDD Pioneer DVD±RW «» 15.4" Widescreen LCD «» Windows Vista Ultimate Sucks ha? Yeah, that's a laptop for sure.

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cperezprg Rainmaker Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Murcia, Spain (Europe) Posts: 129	Can I run a Clone Cd's Image (.Img) or must it always be an .iso (from CDR Win)? I also have heard about a plugin (isoburner) that makes ISO from a CD. Where can I download it? Thanks. __________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pentium III 1Ghz, MSI GeoForce 4, Windows 2000 Pro Pete's OpenGl Driver 1.71 Internal ePSXe SPU or Pete's DSound 1.15 Internal ePSXe W2K CDR or SaPu's CD-ROM 1.0 Bios scph 7502

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I-Chan Ex Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Spain Posts: 3,085	I think it's better mounting an iso on a virtual drive. People has reported problems with built in iso reader in ePSXe, that won't happen with virtual drives or cd-r mooby. And both solutions allow a wider range of image file types to be used. __________________ "I'm living in a dream I can't wake from" Core 2 Duo 6600 FSB 1066 \| 2048 MB DDR2 PC2 6400 800 MHZ \| NVIDIA 8800 GTS \| Sound Blaster Audigy 4 \| Seagate Barracuda 250GB SATAII+WD Caviar 250GB \| Dell 3007WFP-HC 30" Widescreen

June 9th, 2003	#11 (permalink)
Prafull Administrator, PCSX2 tester Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: India Posts: 683	Actually my testing shows that epsxe iso reader is much more compatible than any virtual drives. I have few isos which show error in all virtual drive softwares but run perfectly in epsxe. Similarly cdrmooby is really good in terms of features but compatibility still needs to improve. And yes, clone cd images run perfectly fine with internal iso reader of epsxe. __________________ E6750, Abit ip35E, XFX 8600GT 256 MB DDR3, Transcend 2GB DDR2 800 RAM

June 10th, 2003	#12 (permalink)
Mad AKA snkmad Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Brazil, Fortaleza-Ceará Posts: 2,955	i use clone cd image-.img in epsxe just fine. and yes prafull, i just made it using my normal creative 52x cd-rom, not my creative 8432 cd-r. work flawless here. PS-long time no seen..... __________________ [WinXP SP3] [Gigabyte GA-M61PM-S2] [Athlon64 X2 3800+ @2.00Ghz] [XFX Geforce 8600GT XxX 256MB DDR3] [17" SyncMaster 753v] [Samsung SATA II HD250HJ 250GB] [Kingston 2x1GB DDR2 6400@800MHz CL6] [Samsung CDDVDW SH-S203B] [NVIDIA nForce Networking] [Realtek HD Audio ALC883] Baldurs Gate Dumps

June 10th, 2003	#13 (permalink)
cperezprg Rainmaker Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Murcia, Spain (Europe) Posts: 129	>>And yes, clone cd images run perfectly fine with internal iso reader of epsxe. >> i use clone cd image-.img in epsxe just fine. Thanks. I have tried and it works. __________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pentium III 1Ghz, MSI GeoForce 4, Windows 2000 Pro Pete's OpenGl Driver 1.71 Internal ePSXe SPU or Pete's DSound 1.15 Internal ePSXe W2K CDR or SaPu's CD-ROM 1.0 Bios scph 7502

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