Nvidia Tweak

MoJo · November 6th, 2002

I'm using generic GeForce 2 MX 440 64MB RAM. After doing as instruction for tweaking, overlocking GeForce, (also install Rive Tuner), ePSXe 1.52 with Pete 1.67 run really slow and the quality of the graphic is just a bit improve!
Could someone who are very good at tweaking GeForce 2 give me some advice or show me which is the best configuration to boots up my GeForce 2 MX 440 64MB without making ePSXe a TURTLE? Thanks much much if someone can tell me.

metal_ash · November 6th, 2002

try to reduce the settings that requires faster processor and big size of ram.

TalkingANUS · November 6th, 2002

Geforce 2 MX 440?? Don't you mean Geforce 2 MX 400.. or Geforce 4 MX 440??

MoJo · November 7th, 2002

Sorry!
That's GF2 MX 400!
I have another question
If I use Riva Tuner to tweak the antilising of my card to 2 x 2, is the graphic in PSX better?
I tweak my DirectX Config by using Riva Tuner then I use Pete D3D Plugin to play Chrono Cross and I find there's a lot of glitches, like black border. See the screenshot:
How to fix this glitches?

Ninjaa · November 7th, 2002

A few things:

1) FSAA is really slow on a GeForce 2. It will slow your game down a LOT. If you are having speed problems, then turn it off. FSAA will make the edges of polygons look straighter, and that's about it.

2) The black border might be caused by bilinear filtering, 2XSAI, or FSAA. I wouldn't know as I don't use the D3D plugin, and neither should you. (nvidia cards work better with OpenGL)

3) Running in 640x480 will make it look better, and will make it run better too.

4) turn off 2XSAI if you have it on. It will make things look much better if you have it on, but on your PC the performance hit would be unnacceptable.

Gamer1 · November 7th, 2002

use open gl if you are using ati or nvidia cards and turn on the ati/ nvidia fix for opengl to get rid of the black borders. d3d does not come with the fix though

**Kane** · November 7th, 2002

*cough cough*

MoJo · November 7th, 2002

Thanks! I found my problem!
That's because of the antilising turned on. When I turn it off, and the graphic has no black gliches any more.
Besides, I also have GeForce 4 MX 420 64 MB, using Denator 30.82. In the antilising option, there are about 4 options. Which option is the best choice to perform best quality in PSX game? (4x or 2x or another). Overall, I want to know which is the best configuration for my card to perform best quality image of PSX. Thanks.

james.miller · November 23rd, 2002

best quality is 4x FSAA. best speed is NO FSAA.

and also try the newer detenator drivers - the are slightly faster than the 30. series

**Shadow Lady** · November 23rd, 2002

no antialiasing = best speed whitout improvement
2xFSAA = good quality whit half speed
Quincunx = 4xFSAA quality whit 2xFSAA speed (blurry)
4xFSAA = best quality, quarter speed
4xS = better 4xFSAA quality (6xFSAA?)

thats like what I found ^^
is just like a reference, sometimes u use 2xFSAA or Quincunx and u will see no performance hit, especially on a GF3 or GF4 and when u use the 4xFSAA or 4xS FSAA u will ever notice the slowdown ^^

**Kane** · November 23rd, 2002

4xs adds a filter to the 4x mode to make it look better. Think of it as kinda Quincunx for 4xFSAA = slightly greater performance hit, better quality graphics.

Craig Venom · November 23rd, 2002

So, if the quincunx is blurry, that means 4xs is blurry too...

**Kane** · November 23rd, 2002

Not really. It's a filter rather than a blurring technique.

Craig Venom · November 23rd, 2002

4xfsaa and 4xs, which is more sharper in image quality (not blurry)...

November 6th, 2002	#1 (permalink)
MoJo Golden Condom Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: 日本 Posts: 379	Nvidia Tweak I'm using generic GeForce 2 MX 440 64MB RAM. After doing as instruction for tweaking, overlocking GeForce, (also install Rive Tuner), ePSXe 1.52 with Pete 1.67 run really slow and the quality of the graphic is just a bit improve! Could someone who are very good at tweaking GeForce 2 give me some advice or show me which is the best configuration to boots up my GeForce 2 MX 440 64MB without making ePSXe a TURTLE? Thanks much much if someone can tell me.

November 6th, 2002	#2 (permalink)
metal_ash V\|rus Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: house Posts: 521	try to reduce the settings that requires faster processor and big size of ram. __________________

November 6th, 2002	#3 (permalink)
TalkingANUS talks a lot of $hit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NZ Posts: 742	Geforce 2 MX 440?? Don't you mean Geforce 2 MX 400.. or Geforce 4 MX 440?? __________________ .:System Specs:. ::Core 2 Duo E6400 \| 1GB RAM \| Radeon X1950 Pro:: Why am I dying to live if I'm just living to die

November 7th, 2002	#6 (permalink)
Gamer1 Anti-Brand Loyalist Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Its too dark to tell... Posts: 3,237	use open gl if you are using ati or nvidia cards and turn on the ati/ nvidia fix for opengl to get rid of the black borders. d3d does not come with the fix though __________________ Iris: (Proc:Intel Pentium4 2.8Ghz w/ HT UNLOCKED @ 15x200) (Mobo: Asus P4C800-E) (RAM: Corsair XMS 2x512MB DDR400) (HDD 1: Seagate 80GB, 8MB Buffer, 7200 RPM) (Disk Drive 1: Lite-On 16x DVD Burner 1673S) (GFX Card: Radeon 9800 All-In-Wonder Pro 128MB) (Sound Card: Sound Blaster Audigy) Morrigan: (Proc:AMD Athlon 2500+ @ 11x200) (Mobo: Asrock K7V88) (RAM: Corsair XMS 512MB DDR400) (HDD 1: Seagate 80GB, 8MB Buffer, 7200 RPM) (Disk Drive 1: NEC 16x DVD Burner 3200AG) (GFX Card: Radeon 920064MB) (Sound Card: Sound Blaster Live! 5.1)

November 7th, 2002	#7 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	cough cough __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

November 7th, 2002	#5 (permalink)
Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 0	A few things: 1) FSAA is really slow on a GeForce 2. It will slow your game down a LOT. If you are having speed problems, then turn it off. FSAA will make the edges of polygons look straighter, and that's about it. 2) The black border might be caused by bilinear filtering, 2XSAI, or FSAA. I wouldn't know as I don't use the D3D plugin, and neither should you. (nvidia cards work better with OpenGL) 3) Running in 640x480 will make it look better, and will make it run better too. 4) turn off 2XSAI if you have it on. It will make things look much better if you have it on, but on your PC the performance hit would be unnacceptable.

November 7th, 2002	#8 (permalink)
MoJo Golden Condom Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: 日本 Posts: 379	Thanks Thanks! I found my problem! That's because of the antilising turned on. When I turn it off, and the graphic has no black gliches any more. Besides, I also have GeForce 4 MX 420 64 MB, using Denator 30.82. In the antilising option, there are about 4 options. Which option is the best choice to perform best quality in PSX game? (4x or 2x or another). Overall, I want to know which is the best configuration for my card to perform best quality image of PSX. Thanks.

November 23rd, 2002	#9 (permalink)
james.miller Mr. Stupendous Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Here, There and Everywhere. Posts: 1,132	best quality is 4x FSAA. best speed is NO FSAA. and also try the newer detenator drivers - the are slightly faster than the 30. series __________________ The HTPC E2160 @ 3.1ghz \| Thermaltake The Orb cooler \| Abit ip35-pro \| 4Gb DDR-II pc6400\| 1.00Tb of WD AAKS storage \| Asus Xonar D2\| 360 HD-DVD drive Pioneer bd204 bluray sata drive \| Corsair HX620w PSU \| *BFG GeForce 8800GTX* \| Silverstone SST-LC17b \| 24" DGM TFT \| 40" 1080p SONY 40w2000 ONKYO TX-SR805 \| bi-amped mission m71i fronts \| eltax center & bipolar rears 2x 12" custom built subwoofers powered by a denon pma-100m \| PS3 with linux and a 250gb 3.5" internal drive \| Nintendo wii

November 23rd, 2002	#10 (permalink)
Shadow Lady Advanced Newbie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Bogotá... not that it matters... Posts: 4,730	no antialiasing = best speed whitout improvement 2xFSAA = good quality whit half speed Quincunx = 4xFSAA quality whit 2xFSAA speed (blurry) 4xFSAA = best quality, quarter speed 4xS = better 4xFSAA quality (6xFSAA?) thats like what I found ^^ is just like a reference, sometimes u use 2xFSAA or Quincunx and u will see no performance hit, especially on a GF3 or GF4 and when u use the 4xFSAA or 4xS FSAA u will ever notice the slowdown ^^ __________________ Main Rig: Pentium Dual-Core E2160 @ 2.3GHz -- 7600GT @ 650/800MHz -- 1GB DDR2-667 4-4-4-12 -- Windows XP Pro SP2 Collecting dust: AMD Athlon XP 2600+ -- ATI Radeon 9500 Pro -- SB Live 5.1 Digital -- 2.5GB DDR 2-2-2-5 Ram -- Windows 2003 server r2 SP1

November 23rd, 2002	#11 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	4xs adds a filter to the 4x mode to make it look better. Think of it as kinda Quincunx for 4xFSAA = slightly greater performance hit, better quality graphics. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

November 23rd, 2002	#12 (permalink)
Craig Venom Author Of OverDrive Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Jay Bee, Johor, Malaysia Posts: 299	So, if the quincunx is blurry, that means 4xs is blurry too... __________________ System Spec : Intel Pentium IV 1.8A @ 2.66 Ghz \|\|Asus P4S533-E Mobo\|\|512 PC2700 DDR 333 @ 370 \|\|nVidia GeForce4 Ti 4200 @ 290/590\|\|Soundblaster Live! 5.1\|\|Samsung SyncMaster 17 Inch\|\|80Gb Western Digital w/ 8MB Buffer 7200RPM & 40GB Seagate 7200RPM\|\|WinXP Pro SP 1\| sig removed, try reading the sig rules OverDrive Author

November 23rd, 2002	#13 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	Not really. It's a filter rather than a blurring technique. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

November 23rd, 2002	#14 (permalink)
Craig Venom Author Of OverDrive Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Jay Bee, Johor, Malaysia Posts: 299	4xfsaa and 4xs, which is more sharper in image quality (not blurry)... __________________ System Spec : Intel Pentium IV 1.8A @ 2.66 Ghz \|\|Asus P4S533-E Mobo\|\|512 PC2700 DDR 333 @ 370 \|\|nVidia GeForce4 Ti 4200 @ 290/590\|\|Soundblaster Live! 5.1\|\|Samsung SyncMaster 17 Inch\|\|80Gb Western Digital w/ 8MB Buffer 7200RPM & 40GB Seagate 7200RPM\|\|WinXP Pro SP 1\| sig removed, try reading the sig rules OverDrive Author

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