the best emus, .....VGS and Epsxe

**_E_** · August 29th, 2002

alright everbody,.......did any notice that game compatible with epsxe are not compatible with VGS and vise versa? and now ,unfortunalty, VGS is dead and there is only Epsxe alive,...why not use the codes of VGS for Epsxe and compile them with the present plugins to create a new version of epsxe which highly compatible than all previous versions of epsxe and VGS? please dont tell me its illegal,...the new code will be a mix of codes used for VGS and epsxe and therefore its not a hack. besides, VGS is already dead, and no one, espeacilly sony, will know about that. another point, sony cant say a word since a legal Bios is need to operate the emulator, and this bios should be obtained from a psx system. this is a hot request for all programmers and emu authors, and please, i want a reply from the authors themselves!!!!!! thanks!

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**Chrono Archangel** · August 29th, 2002

im not an author but i can probably guess that its not that simple to do since ePSXe and VGS are really different.

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DB7 · August 30th, 2002

Also since Sony bought VGS the now hold the copyright. I doubt they would be happy when they found their property (the VGS code in a new emulator).

**Demigod** · August 30th, 2002

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Originally posted by kingstar19
alright everbody,.......did any notice that game compatible with epsxe are not compatible with VGS and vise versa?

I found VGS to run just about any game, including the ones epsxe can run. PE2 is the only game in my collection that won't run at all on VGS. And as you probably know, VGS is commercial software and is not open source. The source code for VGS is not available. Furthermore you can't just mix the code and increase compatibility. It's like saying mix the code for Win 9x and NT for the most compatible and stable OS ever. It just doesn't work that way, you can't simply transfer over features like that (although the authors can learn and implement some new things from other code).

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Syed Fawad · August 30th, 2002

Wait up. There is no need to disect VGS and take its pieces out. Eventually newer versions of epsxe will run everything.

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**_E_** · August 30th, 2002

how can you be so sure? new versions of epsxe might not fix all bugs , you know. What i meant previuosly is to take advantage, if possible, of VGS high compability and compile them with epsxe's load states and 3D support to produce the ultiamte emulator which can run any PSX game smoothly. well this is all theoratical,...i believe its hard to that practically,......but this is just an idea.....that why i requested the authors' point of view to see if this is possible or not

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**Kane** · August 30th, 2002

ePSXe and VGS are programmed from different ends.
VGS was programmed to run PSX games on the Mac, and then the PC.
ePSXe is an Enhance PSX emulator. It was designed from the ground up to improve the games.

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**_E_** · August 30th, 2002

By the way, i am referring to KAzzuya OPEN GL NOT soft GPU!!!!!

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**Kane** · August 30th, 2002

Sorry bout that. I don't have that one to test. However, here is a pic from Pete's 1.65 at 640x480

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**_E_** · August 30th, 2002

its ok,........look for Darkman's D3D drive and Kazzuya Open Gl ,....they are not very compatible , but they do support 3D, you even belieev your eyes when you look at the graphics. i downloaded them as a full plugin patch from Aldo tools homepage

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DB7 · September 5th, 2002

I see little point in running a soft GPU plugin with ePSXe, you may as well run VGS, with my new graphics card ePSXe and Pete's plugins make the games look great.

Zapages · September 8th, 2002

I would love to see that... Then I can finally play GBA 2 on ePSXe

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Gamer-X · September 16th, 2002

Maybe Sony bought Connectix VGS to make emulator in PS2 system

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**Kellicros** · September 16th, 2002

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Maybe Sony bought Connectix VGS to make emulator in PS2 system

No, there's a PSX chip in PS2, no emulation needed.

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Syed Fawad · September 17th, 2002

and IIRC that chip is also used for PS2 games' sound processing.

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bong · October 2nd, 2002

the greatest advantage that vgs has over both bleem and epsxe is that you dont need a powerhouse system to do it.

you know how a k63 450 performs like a celeron 300 in most games?

can u imagine that same k63 450 on a 75 mhz fsb instead of a full 100 mhz fsb? (speed is further compromised)

but vgs was the only psx emu that would run tekken 3 full speed on such a low end system.

hats off to the connectix programmers, wherever they are.

**fivefeet8** · October 2nd, 2002

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Originally posted by Kingstar
how can you be so sure? new versions of epsxe might not fix all bugs , you know. What i meant previuosly is to take advantage, if possible, of VGS high compability and compile them with epsxe's load states and 3D support to produce the ultiamte emulator which can run any PSX game smoothly. well this is all theoratical,...i believe its hard to that practically,......but this is just an idea.....that why i requested the authors' point of view to see if this is possible or not

No.

1. Both emus aren't open source(No one can get the source to VGS including the epsxe authors)
2. Different source codes would mean you'd need to probably rewrite some of the codes to compile them together.. It'd probably be easier to create your own code..
3. Use the software gpus for better compatibility in epsxe..
4. BOTH EMUS ARE NOT OPEN SOURCE!!!
5. New versions of Epsxe will fix bugs.. Every new version of epsxe since 1.0 has..

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**Shadow Lady** · October 7th, 2002

every new version of epsxe 1.0 is like a year of wait

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Sera · October 8th, 2002

well all i have to say is we should not be thinking ahead of the creators of ePSXe, maybe they have theyre own plan in making ePSXe the best emulator around and not by stealing codes in a different emulator, they want to make emulator by themselves and by their own talent i think.

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_E_ Lurking Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Gone Posts: 8,958	the best emus, .....VGS and Epsxe alright everbody,.......did any notice that game compatible with epsxe are not compatible with VGS and vise versa? and now ,unfortunalty, VGS is dead and there is only Epsxe alive,...why not use the codes of VGS for Epsxe and compile them with the present plugins to create a new version of epsxe which highly compatible than all previous versions of epsxe and VGS? please dont tell me its illegal,...the new code will be a mix of codes used for VGS and epsxe and therefore its not a hack. besides, VGS is already dead, and no one, espeacilly sony, will know about that. another point, sony cant say a word since a legal Bios is need to operate the emulator, and this bios should be obtained from a psx system. this is a hot request for all programmers and emu authors, and please, i want a reply from the authors themselves!!!!!! thanks! __________________ -= Moral cowardice that keeps us from speaking our minds is as dangerous to this country as irresponsible talk. The right way is not always =- the popular and easy way. Standing for right when it is unpopular is a true test of moral character. Margaret C. Smith

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August 29th, 2002	#2 (permalink)
Chrono Archangel Administrator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 7,845	im not an author but i can probably guess that its not that simple to do since ePSXe and VGS are really different. __________________ When Pigs Fly: The Death of Oink, the Birth of Dissent, and a Brief History of Record Industry Suicide.

August 30th, 2002	#3 (permalink)
DB7 Miserable Bugger Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,061	Also since Sony bought VGS the now hold the copyright. I doubt they would be happy when they found their property (the VGS code in a new emulator).

August 30th, 2002	#5 (permalink)
Syed Fawad -PM to advertise here- Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In an average country of an average planet of the solar system of an average star of an average galaxy of an average cluster. Still not average... Posts: 8,260	Wait up. There is no need to disect VGS and take its pieces out. Eventually newer versions of epsxe will run everything. __________________ Asus K8N (nForce3) AMD64 3000+ (754) 768MB DDR 400MHz (PC 3200) nVidia Geforce 6600GT 128MB (AGP) Aquamark3 - 53,000 "Good friends mustn't always be together. It is the feeling of oneness when distant that proves a lasting friendship"

August 30th, 2002	#6 (permalink)
_E_ Lurking Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Gone Posts: 8,958	how can you be so sure? new versions of epsxe might not fix all bugs , you know. What i meant previuosly is to take advantage, if possible, of VGS high compability and compile them with epsxe's load states and 3D support to produce the ultiamte emulator which can run any PSX game smoothly. well this is all theoratical,...i believe its hard to that practically,......but this is just an idea.....that why i requested the authors' point of view to see if this is possible or not __________________ -= Moral cowardice that keeps us from speaking our minds is as dangerous to this country as irresponsible talk. The right way is not always =- the popular and easy way. Standing for right when it is unpopular is a true test of moral character. Margaret C. Smith

August 30th, 2002	#7 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,305	ePSXe and VGS are programmed from different ends. VGS was programmed to run PSX games on the Mac, and then the PC. ePSXe is an Enhance PSX emulator. It was designed from the ground up to improve the games. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

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_E_ Lurking Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Gone Posts: 8,958	By the way, i am referring to KAzzuya OPEN GL NOT soft GPU!!!!! __________________ -= Moral cowardice that keeps us from speaking our minds is as dangerous to this country as irresponsible talk. The right way is not always =- the popular and easy way. Standing for right when it is unpopular is a true test of moral character. Margaret C. Smith

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_E_ Lurking Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Gone Posts: 8,958	its ok,........look for Darkman's D3D drive and Kazzuya Open Gl ,....they are not very compatible , but they do support 3D, you even belieev your eyes when you look at the graphics. i downloaded them as a full plugin patch from Aldo tools homepage __________________ -= Moral cowardice that keeps us from speaking our minds is as dangerous to this country as irresponsible talk. The right way is not always =- the popular and easy way. Standing for right when it is unpopular is a true test of moral character. Margaret C. Smith

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DB7 Miserable Bugger Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,061	I see little point in running a soft GPU plugin with ePSXe, you may as well run VGS, with my new graphics card ePSXe and Pete's plugins make the games look great.

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Zapages Prince of Persia Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: USA Posts: 1,105	I would love to see that... Then I can finally play GBA 2 on ePSXe __________________ Prince of Persia Legacy and Prince of Persia Gallery

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Gamer-X Learning PHP Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Front of my Computer Posts: 386	Maybe Sony bought Connectix VGS to make emulator in PS2 system __________________ Learning PHP and Designing a Website PC Spec: Pentium II 333Mhz; SDRAM 64 Mb; I740 Graphic Card NextGen PC Spec: AMD AthlonXP 2.6GHz; DDRAM 512Mb; PixelView FX5200 Ultra; MoBo Abit NF7

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Syed Fawad -PM to advertise here- Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In an average country of an average planet of the solar system of an average star of an average galaxy of an average cluster. Still not average... Posts: 8,260	and IIRC that chip is also used for PS2 games' sound processing. __________________ Asus K8N (nForce3) AMD64 3000+ (754) 768MB DDR 400MHz (PC 3200) nVidia Geforce 6600GT 128MB (AGP) Aquamark3 - 53,000 "Good friends mustn't always be together. It is the feeling of oneness when distant that proves a lasting friendship"

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bong Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 18	the greatest advantage that vgs has over both bleem and epsxe is that you dont need a powerhouse system to do it. you know how a k63 450 performs like a celeron 300 in most games? can u imagine that same k63 450 on a 75 mhz fsb instead of a full 100 mhz fsb? (speed is further compromised) but vgs was the only psx emu that would run tekken 3 full speed on such a low end system. hats off to the connectix programmers, wherever they are.

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Shadow Lady Advanced Newbie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Bogotá... not that it matters... Posts: 5,792	every new version of epsxe 1.0 is like a year of wait __________________ Main Rig: Pentium Dual-Core E2160 @ 2.8GHz -- 9600GT @ 715/1033MHz -- 4GB DDR2-667 4-4-4-12 -- Windows Server 2008 SP2 Collecting dust: AMD Athlon XP 2600+ -- ATI Radeon 9500 Pro -- SB Live 5.1 Digital -- 2.5GB DDR 2-2-2-5 Ram -- Windows 2003 server r2 SP1

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Sera Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 2,967	well all i have to say is we should not be thinking ahead of the creators of ePSXe, maybe they have theyre own plan in making ePSXe the best emulator around and not by stealing codes in a different emulator, they want to make emulator by themselves and by their own talent i think.