Is this considered piracy?

June 9th, 2002

I own the PAL versions of Final Fantasy 7-9. The PAL conversions of these games are horrible (black borders and slow gameplay). If I "acquire" the NTSC versions of these through the net, should I feel guilty?

**CKemu** · June 9th, 2002

SONY would consider that if you want a game you buy it, so yes they would want you to feel very guilty. I personally think there's nothing wron with the PAL versions, (and FF9 has no black borders!), and I hope you mean buy a NTSC game of eBay, otherwise the mods won't like u!!

To be honest I c no point in 'getting' the NTSC version.

And with regards to guilt, hmmm ..............

**Betamax** · June 9th, 2002

Depends on the Definition of "acquire". If you mean buying imports from websites such as www.cex.co.uk . Then we have no problems.

However if you mean isos then we do have real issues. Check the rules before proceeding any further with this topic.

June 9th, 2002

This was supposed to go under "Everything else PSX".

I'm not here to ask where I can download ISO's, but how this situation fits the reader's sense of morality and whether I'm doing something wrong as far as the law is concerned.

**Betamax** · June 9th, 2002

Good point. Moved (How did I miss that

)

BTW If I'd have thought you were asking for isos I would have closed it

Mad · June 9th, 2002

u can try "converting" your PAL games to NTSC
i cant post a link here, coz it has illegal material, but do a web search, mayeb u can find
Hope this isnt illegal too.....

**Shiori** · June 10th, 2002

I think PAL4U can do that conversion? :confused:

June 10th, 2002

Don't these kind of PAL-NTSC convertors just make the game playable on different systems? The performance/appearance of the game stays the same right?

**Bgnome** · June 10th, 2002

the convertors allow the game to play on different televisions. the system doesnt have that much to do with it iirc.. the convertors just change the frequency so that images are viewable. the image from pal>ntsc tends to be strectched tho since they run at slightly different resolutions (ntsc>pal yields borders)

DarkShin · June 11th, 2002

So basically there is no point in using a converter. The games are just programed that way.

**CKemu** · June 11th, 2002

well yes and no, as Bgnome said the image will get streched, so u can assume that the boarders will be removed when going to NTSC, differenct frequencies and res etc......

REi_FoX · June 12th, 2002

it is not piracy...

cause you got the original game...

if that is piracy then making ISO image is a piracy too...

Skye · June 12th, 2002

Dunno though I agree with you but they could agrue that since he owns the PAL version and not the NSTC it would be considered piracy but thats a touchy subject. Like I said though I agree with you.

**Prafull** · June 12th, 2002

I think its definitely ought to be piracy.

Two versions are totally different things IMO.

Skye · June 12th, 2002

Yeah like I said it is a very touchy subject. I am stuck between prafull and rei_fox.

sithspawn · June 12th, 2002

What about converting using hardware converters (not touching the software side)?

**ammoQ** · June 12th, 2002

Technically it's piracy but I see no reason to feel guilty, since you paid for the game and the differences are mostly technical. It's the same with the Bios: Most of us have a playstation, but some use a different bios for emulation than they have in their PSX. (I guess about no-one-at-all really extracts the bios from the psx, about 100% download...) From my personal point of view, as long as everyone gets paid for his work, it should not be too much of a problem.

Skye · June 12th, 2002

>What about converting using hardware converters (not touching the software side)?

100% legal and piracy free

Player-X · June 16th, 2002

Lets just call it "questionbly Legal"

REi_FoX · June 16th, 2002

hardware changing is like putting a mod chip... so thats ILLEGAL

June 9th, 2002	#1 (permalink)
Bishamon Guest Posts: n/a	Is this considered piracy? I own the PAL versions of Final Fantasy 7-9. The PAL conversions of these games are horrible (black borders and slow gameplay). If I "acquire" the NTSC versions of these through the net, should I feel guilty?

June 9th, 2002	#2 (permalink)
CKemu It's a Spinning Smile! Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 5,220	SONY would consider that if you want a game you buy it, so yes they would want you to feel very guilty. I personally think there's nothing wron with the PAL versions, (and FF9 has no black borders!), and I hope you mean buy a NTSC game of eBay, otherwise the mods won't like u!! To be honest I c no point in 'getting' the NTSC version. And with regards to guilt, hmmm .............. __________________ » Beta Tester for PCSX2 \| ZeroGS KOSMOS \| Satourne \| nullDC \| Dolphin \| Misc Projects « » AMD64 X2 4400+ 939 1MB L2 @ 2.20GHz \| GeForce 8800 GTX 768: 575/1800 \| 2GB OCZ DC RAM @ 2-3-2-5 \| 768GiB HDD «

June 9th, 2002	#3 (permalink)
Betamax Resident Movie Critic Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland Posts: 9,480	Depends on the Definition of "acquire". If you mean buying imports from websites such as www.cex.co.uk . Then we have no problems. However if you mean isos then we do have real issues. Check the rules before proceeding any further with this topic. __________________ Superior marketing of an inferior product will always win over inferior marketing of a superior product.

June 9th, 2002	#5 (permalink)
Betamax Resident Movie Critic Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland Posts: 9,480	Good point. Moved (How did I miss that ) BTW If I'd have thought you were asking for isos I would have closed it __________________ Superior marketing of an inferior product will always win over inferior marketing of a superior product.

June 9th, 2002	#6 (permalink)
Mad AKA snkmad Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Brazil, Fortaleza-Ceará Posts: 2,911	u can try "converting" your PAL games to NTSC i cant post a link here, coz it has illegal material, but do a web search, mayeb u can find Hope this isnt illegal too..... __________________ [WinXP SP3] [Gigabyte GA-M61PM-S2] [Athlon64 X2 3800+ @2.00Ghz] [XFX Geforce 8600GT XxX 256MB DDR3] [17" SyncMaster 753v] [Samsung SATA II HD080HJ 80GB] [Samsung SATA II HD250HJ 250GB] [Kingston 2x1GB DDR2 6400@800MHz CL6] [Samsung CDDVDW SH-S203B] [NVIDIA nForce Networking] [Realtek ALC883 @ nVIDIA MCP61]

June 9th, 2002	#4 (permalink)
Bishamon Guest Posts: n/a	This was supposed to go under "Everything else PSX". I'm not here to ask where I can download ISO's, but how this situation fits the reader's sense of morality and whether I'm doing something wrong as far as the law is concerned.

June 10th, 2002	#7 (permalink)
Shiori :3 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 10,116	I think PAL4U can do that conversion? :confused: __________________ "...And when I finally meet you again, I want to ask you - have you found what you were looking for? Because that's what I felt you were doing, all these years. And I want to hear you answer, "Yes, I have, thank you for asking," and we'll be together again, until the end of our days..."

June 10th, 2002	#8 (permalink)
Bishamon Guest Posts: n/a	Don't these kind of PAL-NTSC convertors just make the game playable on different systems? The performance/appearance of the game stays the same right?

June 10th, 2002	#9 (permalink)
Bgnome Who Da Gnome? Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: At Home Posts: 2,441	the convertors allow the game to play on different televisions. the system doesnt have that much to do with it iirc.. the convertors just change the frequency so that images are viewable. the image from pal>ntsc tends to be strectched tho since they run at slightly different resolutions (ntsc>pal yields borders) __________________ May the Gnome™ be With You

June 11th, 2002	#10 (permalink)
DarkShin Gankutsuou Join Date: May 2002 Location: Mexico - Some Dark Place Posts: 193	So basically there is no point in using a converter. The games are just programed that way. __________________ [Athlon System - DGS01] [AthlonXP 2500+ Barton] [ASUS A7N8X-VM nForce2 Chipset] [512 MBs DRR333 PC2700] [GeForce4 MX Integrated GPU] [SoundBlaster Live! 5.1 Digital] [80GB Western Digital 7200 RPM 8MB Buffer] [20GB Western Digital 5400 RPM] [16x Lite-On DVD-ROM] [16x Lite-On DVD+/-RW] [Windows XP Profesional SP2] [Pentium4 System - DGS02] [Pentium4 @ 1.4 GHz] [DFI NB72-SC] [192 MBs SDRam PC100] [eVGA GeForce2 MX 200 32MBs AGP] [SoundBlaster Live! Value] [80GB 7200 RPM 8MB Buffer] [4GB Western Digital] [52x Lite-On CD-ROM] [Windows XP Profesional SP2]

June 11th, 2002	#11 (permalink)
CKemu It's a Spinning Smile! Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 5,220	well yes and no, as Bgnome said the image will get streched, so u can assume that the boarders will be removed when going to NTSC, differenct frequencies and res etc...... __________________ » Beta Tester for PCSX2 \| ZeroGS KOSMOS \| Satourne \| nullDC \| Dolphin \| Misc Projects « » AMD64 X2 4400+ 939 1MB L2 @ 2.20GHz \| GeForce 8800 GTX 768: 575/1800 \| 2GB OCZ DC RAM @ 2-3-2-5 \| 768GiB HDD «

June 12th, 2002	#12 (permalink)
REi_FoX ¡¾¡¾¡¾¡ Fantasy ¡¾¡¾¡¾¡ Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 3,648	it is not piracy... cause you got the original game... if that is piracy then making ISO image is a piracy too... __________________ FoR PiNoYs WhO WanTs To BuY CheAp ParTs CliCk Here also Here Processor - Intel Quad 2 Quad q6600 G0 Stepping [Stock Settings] Memory - 2GB Team Elite 800mhz Graphics Card - Palit Daytone Geforce 8800 GT 512 MB Mobo - Abit IP-35-E OS - Dual Boot Windows XP Professional SP3 and Ubuntu Linux Pad - PS1 and PS2 > USB Adapter 3DMark05 Score - 35082

June 12th, 2002	#13 (permalink)
Skye Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gville, Florida Posts: 908	Dunno though I agree with you but they could agrue that since he owns the PAL version and not the NSTC it would be considered piracy but thats a touchy subject. Like I said though I agree with you.

June 12th, 2002	#14 (permalink)
Prafull Administrator, PCSX2 tester Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: India Posts: 674	I think its definitely ought to be piracy. Two versions are totally different things IMO. __________________ E6750, Abit ip35E, XFX 8600GT 256 MB DDR3, Transcend 2GB DDR2 800 RAM

June 12th, 2002	#15 (permalink)
Skye Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gville, Florida Posts: 908	Yeah like I said it is a very touchy subject. I am stuck between prafull and rei_fox.

June 12th, 2002	#16 (permalink)
sithspawn The Spawn of Sith Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In a galaxy far, far away ... Posts: 183	What about converting using hardware converters (not touching the software side)? __________________ "There is no try. There is do, or do not."

June 12th, 2002	#17 (permalink)
ammoQ Emu author Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vienna/Austria/Europe Posts: 1,168	Technically it's piracy but I see no reason to feel guilty, since you paid for the game and the differences are mostly technical. It's the same with the Bios: Most of us have a playstation, but some use a different bios for emulation than they have in their PSX. (I guess about no-one-at-all really extracts the bios from the psx, about 100% download...) From my personal point of view, as long as everyone gets paid for his work, it should not be too much of a problem. __________________ If you think my English is bad, wait till you read my Polish.

June 12th, 2002	#18 (permalink)
Skye Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gville, Florida Posts: 908	>What about converting using hardware converters (not touching the software side)? 100% legal and piracy free

June 16th, 2002	#19 (permalink)
Player-X Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: From Kuching in Malaysia now stuck in Houston Texas Posts: 9,110	Lets just call it "questionbly Legal"

June 16th, 2002	#20 (permalink)
REi_FoX ¡¾¡¾¡¾¡ Fantasy ¡¾¡¾¡¾¡ Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 3,648	hardware changing is like putting a mod chip... so thats ILLEGAL __________________ FoR PiNoYs WhO WanTs To BuY CheAp ParTs CliCk Here also Here Processor - Intel Quad 2 Quad q6600 G0 Stepping [Stock Settings] Memory - 2GB Team Elite 800mhz Graphics Card - Palit Daytone Geforce 8800 GT 512 MB Mobo - Abit IP-35-E OS - Dual Boot Windows XP Professional SP3 and Ubuntu Linux Pad - PS1 and PS2 > USB Adapter 3DMark05 Score - 35082

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