When will we see a good PS2 emulator?

RZetlin · June 11th, 2001

It is not a question if somebody will create a PS2 emulator, but it is a question of when.

Do we have the current computer technology to write up an emulator and see it work with PS2 games?

Or do we have to wait a while longer for the computer technology to get better?

If it is possible to write up a PS2 emulator how long will it take to get a good one?

Last edited by RZetlin; June 11th, 2001 at 14:47..

Enigma1982 · June 11th, 2001

It all about future...............
It still new system I can't tell you anything about this now............
Anyway when we had PS2 perfect emulator PS3 console wil come out in that time...............

bong · June 11th, 2001

There are two very big problems when trying to emulate the ps2.

It doesnt use the same codes as the desktop cpus anymore nor can it be easily emulated like the psone's.

The main difference is
the two 128 bit SIMD pipeline of 10 stages each it is using.

Desktop cpus are mostly 32 bit and when using simd the p3 can pull it's two 32 bit simd (sse) pipelines to from on 64 bit simd pipeline. not enough and not even similar in execution.

So dont put down a ps2 just because of it's 300 mhz speed.
Speed isnt everything but throughput is.

The ps2 uses 2 128 bit SIMD pipelines of 10 stages each.
then it also has 10 floating point multiply and add units.
It is also a true multimedai cpu since it can process up to 8 lines of streaming data and act on each one at the same time
unlike the desktop cpus which can actually only act on one line of data at the same time anytime.
Desktop cpus only seems to handle so many programs at the same time because it switches between each data chore very fast, too fast for the human eye to follow.
But the ps2 engione is working on 8 lines all at once all the time.

That's why Squaresoft designers said that they were only able to harness 30 percent of the full power of the ps2.

Now asides from those really big stumbling blocks, the SIMD language used by the ps2 is way different and much more efficient than that of 3dnow2 or sse2.

There isnt even any comparison.
So 300 mhz emotion engine with all it's simd pipelines working at full capacity has greater 3d calculating (floating point) power than even the gigahertz desktop cpus for the software that is optimized for it.

While 3dnow claims one instruction equlas 4 data results the ps2 can on one instruction make 10.
It doesnt help that it computes at 128 bit.

So It will take a really powerful desktop cpu with a really good program to even try to emulate the ps2.
I think this will be a very difficult emu to make the hardest one to date.
It doesnt use c++ the way we know it.
Up to now new libraries have to be written for it.
Sony it self couldnt provide the libraries to the developers because
it would take them years to do so.

**Betamax** · June 11th, 2001

Ok. Make it TEN years b4 I can play FFX.

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n0estoy · June 12th, 2001

or....buy a ps2

**Betamax** · June 12th, 2001

No offense but there is a greater probability that Elvis will crash land his UFO on the Lock Ness Monster whilst wearing his blue suede shoes than me buying a ps2.

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n0estoy · June 13th, 2001

heheh, i haven't rushed out to get one either.

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Neojag · June 13th, 2001

eheheheheheh
wait about 3 or 4 years and ps2 price will be down
jes look what happened to the psx!!!

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**Betamax** · June 14th, 2001

or do what I did. A mate bought a ps2 when his psx got busted. I took it off his hands and too a screwdriver to it. Got it working again (although it has to be balanced on its side :eyes: ). Hey I had to play FF9 Uk somehow!

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Neojag · June 14th, 2001

i jes dont think someone would give me his busted ps2

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**Betamax** · June 14th, 2001

Then pull it out of the skip he throws it in!

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Neojag · June 14th, 2001

hum...
gonna think in that

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**Raziel** · June 14th, 2001

Don't wait too much for a PS2 emu or you might be dead before it's out

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Enigma1982 · June 14th, 2001

Quote:

Originally posted by Raziel
Don't wait too much for a PS2 emu or you might be dead before it's out

Ha Ha Ha...............

Go buy it if you want don't wait for emu

**Raziel** · June 14th, 2001

I'll buy a PS2 when it'll be cheap and when there will be good games.

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FireGL · June 22nd, 2001

so maybe dc? I think

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Zell · June 22nd, 2001

In 1 and Half year i say !!! The pc Hardware can't take it , but wait there already is a geforce 3 out , wish could do the entire job !!!!

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RZetlin General of Tangerines Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Defending the Sea Posts: 3,913	When will we see a good PS2 emulator? It is not a question if somebody will create a PS2 emulator, but it is a question of when. Do we have the current computer technology to write up an emulator and see it work with PS2 games? Or do we have to wait a while longer for the computer technology to get better? If it is possible to write up a PS2 emulator how long will it take to get a good one? Last edited by RZetlin; June 11th, 2001 at 14:47..

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bong Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 18	The ps2 is a different animal There are two very big problems when trying to emulate the ps2. It doesnt use the same codes as the desktop cpus anymore nor can it be easily emulated like the psone's. The main difference is the two 128 bit SIMD pipeline of 10 stages each it is using. Desktop cpus are mostly 32 bit and when using simd the p3 can pull it's two 32 bit simd (sse) pipelines to from on 64 bit simd pipeline. not enough and not even similar in execution. So dont put down a ps2 just because of it's 300 mhz speed. Speed isnt everything but throughput is. The ps2 uses 2 128 bit SIMD pipelines of 10 stages each. then it also has 10 floating point multiply and add units. It is also a true multimedai cpu since it can process up to 8 lines of streaming data and act on each one at the same time unlike the desktop cpus which can actually only act on one line of data at the same time anytime. Desktop cpus only seems to handle so many programs at the same time because it switches between each data chore very fast, too fast for the human eye to follow. But the ps2 engione is working on 8 lines all at once all the time. That's why Squaresoft designers said that they were only able to harness 30 percent of the full power of the ps2. Now asides from those really big stumbling blocks, the SIMD language used by the ps2 is way different and much more efficient than that of 3dnow2 or sse2. There isnt even any comparison. So 300 mhz emotion engine with all it's simd pipelines working at full capacity has greater 3d calculating (floating point) power than even the gigahertz desktop cpus for the software that is optimized for it. While 3dnow claims one instruction equlas 4 data results the ps2 can on one instruction make 10. It doesnt help that it computes at 128 bit. So It will take a really powerful desktop cpu with a really good program to even try to emulate the ps2. I think this will be a very difficult emu to make the hardest one to date. It doesnt use c++ the way we know it. Up to now new libraries have to be written for it. Sony it self couldnt provide the libraries to the developers because it would take them years to do so.

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June 11th, 2001	#2 (permalink)
Enigma1982 Do not Disturb Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Bangkok,Thailand Posts: 1,808	It all about future............... It still new system I can't tell you anything about this now............ Anyway when we had PS2 perfect emulator PS3 console wil come out in that time...............

June 11th, 2001	#4 (permalink)
Betamax Resident Movie Critic Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland Posts: 9,508	Ok. Make it TEN years b4 I can play FFX. __________________ Superior marketing of an inferior product will always win over inferior marketing of a superior product.

June 12th, 2001	#5 (permalink)
n0estoy old-timer Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: texas Posts: 1,317	or....buy a ps2

June 12th, 2001	#6 (permalink)
Betamax Resident Movie Critic Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland Posts: 9,508	No offense but there is a greater probability that Elvis will crash land his UFO on the Lock Ness Monster whilst wearing his blue suede shoes than me buying a ps2. __________________ Superior marketing of an inferior product will always win over inferior marketing of a superior product.

June 13th, 2001	#7 (permalink)
n0estoy old-timer Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: texas Posts: 1,317	heheh, i haven't rushed out to get one either. __________________ .::system specs::.antec nsk2480:.intel e5200:.ati hd4670:.2gb ddr2 ram:.liteon bdrom:.vista:. .::currently playing::. SF4:.FF Tactics:.super mario 3:.boom blox:. .::currently listening::.mia:.gorrilaz:.lady sov:.sigur ros:.bebel gilberto:. .::currently watching::.naruto:.seirei no moribito:.FMA remix:.lost:.deathnote

June 13th, 2001	#8 (permalink)
Neojag :: [ Sauron's Eye ] :: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: In the Land of Mordor, where the Shadows lie... Posts: 3,258	eheheheheheh wait about 3 or 4 years and ps2 price will be down jes look what happened to the psx!!! __________________

June 14th, 2001	#9 (permalink)
Betamax Resident Movie Critic Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland Posts: 9,508	or do what I did. A mate bought a ps2 when his psx got busted. I took it off his hands and too a screwdriver to it. Got it working again (although it has to be balanced on its side :eyes: ). Hey I had to play FF9 Uk somehow! __________________ Superior marketing of an inferior product will always win over inferior marketing of a superior product.

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Neojag :: [ Sauron's Eye ] :: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: In the Land of Mordor, where the Shadows lie... Posts: 3,258	i jes dont think someone would give me his busted ps2 __________________

June 14th, 2001	#11 (permalink)
Betamax Resident Movie Critic Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland Posts: 9,508	Then pull it out of the skip he throws it in! __________________ Superior marketing of an inferior product will always win over inferior marketing of a superior product.

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Neojag :: [ Sauron's Eye ] :: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: In the Land of Mordor, where the Shadows lie... Posts: 3,258	hum... gonna think in that __________________

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Raziel Beta Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Nantes, France Posts: 6,246	Don't wait too much for a PS2 emu or you might be dead before it's out __________________ System Specs: OS: Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Edition CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 @4GHz Video Card: MSI GeForce 8800 GTX Motherboard: ASUS Maximus Formula SE RAM: 4GB OCZ XMS2 PC6400

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Raziel Beta Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Nantes, France Posts: 6,246	I'll buy a PS2 when it'll be cheap and when there will be good games. __________________ System Specs: OS: Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Edition CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 @4GHz Video Card: MSI GeForce 8800 GTX Motherboard: ASUS Maximus Formula SE RAM: 4GB OCZ XMS2 PC6400

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FireGL I'm? Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: ======> Posts: 1,843	so maybe dc? I think __________________ Open your eyes and look within... Are you satisfied with the life your livin'?

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Zell The Sword Saint Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Death Zone Posts: 1,750	In 1 and Half year i say !!! The pc Hardware can't take it , but wait there already is a geforce 3 out , wish could do the entire job !!!! __________________ Kuzuryusen ! God-like speed to attack all nine vital points in one stroke. Impossible to dodge and defend ! How want's to stop me E-Mail