Ps2!

[Xenomorph]

Now that there is even somekind of ps2 emulator, it's good to compare the progress to the emulation of psx. Ps2 haven't been in market very long, how long did it take on psx emulators to even show simplest demos?

[M.I.K.e7]

I think it really took several years for the first PSX emulators to show something.
But you have to keep in mind that MIPS emulation was quite new, and that PS2 emulator probably uses a modified N64 emulator (ie. little-endian instead of big-endian), so a big part of the EmotionEngine has already been covered before.

[ryu_joko]

not because i'm pesimis, but i'm sure it will be stop by sony, just like vgs. OR maybe the author of this emu will be just leave it because the ps2 too complicated for the author.

[Syed Fawad]

I ddin't like the idea of PS2 emulation. Let it get a bit more popular like wait for couple of more years. Otherwise because of PS2 emulators, most people won't buy PS2's which ain't a good thing considering the competition PS2 is already facing in the form of XXXBox and GAMECUBE.
btw why donthey design and Xbox emulator. I think it may be quite simple as compared to PS2 emulator, excluding the system requirements.

[Cylinder]

Only real thing stoppin XBox EMU is the time it takes someone to figure out what kind of OS is on that HDD it has. Once that is done EMU will be a piece of cake, c'mon it's a bloody PC.

[Cylinder]

I also agree that EMU authors should bide their time and wait a few years to let the systems mature. Look at the later PSX titles and how they were leaps and bounds over first generation titles. If infact PS2 EMU will be realized in the near future, we may not get a chance to play future cool PS2 games, cuase they may never be made if it is emulated to soon.

[M.I.K.e7]

Ok, what differences are between a PC and the Xbox?

CPU: it's a modified P3 with additional instructions, which will lead to an "illegal instruction exception" on a PC; of course those instructions could be emulated, but first you'd have to know what these instructions do.

Graphics: is more or less a GF4, so it might be problematic on PCs with a different graphics card.

Sound: actually I have no idea, but I doubt that too many PCs have DD5.1 now.

Memory: I'm not totally sure if the fact that the Xbox has unified memory might be a problem or not.

OS: according to MS it's modified...

Harddisk: also according to MS it uses a specialized format, and you'd have a hard time to examine that as the harddrive is protected with an IDE password, as I've read.

DVD: last but not least, the data on the DVD is encrypted according to an Xbox games developer.


What I don't get is why everyone seems to want an Xbox emulator!
I guess most of the games will come out on the PC sooner or later and will be much cheaper there.

[Esturk]

I hate to say it but there's already a thread on this.

[Cylinder]

XBox GPU is a GeForce almost on par with GF3Ti500 specs.

Sound in DD5.1 is availible onPC in the form of the MCP from nVidia on their nForce chipset. As well as other sound cards.

Memory 64MB DDR that is shared with Video

Just to clear it up.

[M.I.K.e7]

I think it's mainly the lamers and pirates who want to have an emulator as soon as possible.
I tend to think of emulation as nostalgia instead, maybe pushing the limits with some newer stuff, but it shouldn't be too new.
It was actually quite a shock for me that the first GBA emulator had been released before the GBA was on the market. I think that fact led some people (probably those who were lured into the scene by UltraHLE and MAME offering them many "cheap" games) to believe that it will go on like this...

[Syed Fawad]

C'mon guys let me start a poll and c how many of u want PS2 emu.

[Demigod]

Originally posted by Syed Fawad
I ddin't like the idea of PS2 emulation. Let it get a bit more popular like wait for couple of more years. Otherwise because of PS2 emulators, most people won't buy PS2's which ain't a good thing considering the competition PS2 is already facing in the form of XXXBox and GAMECUBE.
btw why donthey design and Xbox emulator. I think it may be quite simple as compared to PS2 emulator, excluding the system requirements.

On the contrary, I think a PS2 emulator would benefit the company. They can sell more games that way. Most of the revenue comes from the games, not the console. Emulators can do a lot of good for game companies and the main reason why they're looked upon negatively is because they don't like the fact that a bunch of anonymous programmers were able to mimick their great system. Of course there's nothing wrong with emulation (as long as it's free) but they just don't like the fact that there's a daughter clone of their consoles running around on the internet.

[Zell]

That's True !! But Emu's CAN run COPIES a big problem and the console itself "is" money to the comapny's .

[Gam3rX]

Originally posted by M.I.K.e7
DVD: last but not least, the data on the DVD is encrypted according to an Xbox games developer.

plus i'read somewhere that says x-box's dvds are read from most outside layer to inside opposed to normal inside to outside(or vice versa)

[Quasius]

I really don't understand the argument that an X-box or PS2 emulator would kill the system. You still have to buy the games. (Sure you can pirate them, but that is done already). I am definitly not buying an X-box or PS2, but if there was an emu, I would buy a few games, thus helping the system, not hurting it.

[Kane]

Originally posted by Cylinder
XBox GPU is a GeForce almost on par with GF3Ti500 specs.

Sound in DD5.1 is availible onPC in the form of the MCP from nVidia on their nForce chipset. As well as other sound cards.

Memory 64MB DDR that is shared with Video

Just to clear it up.

It's like a Ge4 because it has two pixel shaders and two vertex shaders, but the speed, and other features are like the 3.
The DVD drive is a CAL drive that reads games from the outside in, to improve seek times. The Sound on the XBox is the nForce integrated one.
5.1DD is also avaliable on a SBLive 1024 or above, or an Audigy. I'm sure it is on other cards too.

I had PS Emulation before I bought my PS, but I still bought games.

[Syed Fawad]

On NGemu it was posted that after a long time from now on, so how much long is that? I mean it can't be less than a year or so. Look at the PSX emu. Started a couple of years back and even now still not perfect. And PS2 is a much superior console. If there is a PS2 emulator released, I doupt one thingy, will it play PS1 games as well? I think that only the PS2 games will get emulated.

[zero0w]

With the release of Linux PS2 dev kit, which comes with 6 PDF programming reference for the Emotion Engine and PS2 hardware, it would be inevitable people will get more information to develop applications and emulators against the platform.

Still like the news reported, it WILL be a long way to go. Just like how the Dreamcast emulator progressed.

Curiously however, there are many N64 emu author quitted or stopped their projects altogether: UltraHLE, Corn, Project64....

I got to wonder, the complexity of the project, and to some point legal threat (and probably perversity of lamers) DID make the authors stop working on those great projects. It still remains to be seen how it goes with the PS2 emulator, and also how it works (still plugin based system? need a PS2 BIOS?.... and many other stuff).

[Xenomorph]

Originally posted by Quasius
I really don't understand the argument that an X-box or PS2 emulator would kill the system. You still have to buy the games. (Sure you can pirate them, but that is done already). I am definitly not buying an X-box or PS2, but if there was an emu, I would buy a few games, thus helping the system, not hurting it.

I agree on that, but I think that GBA WILL die because emulation, just look how advanced VBA is. It runs 99% of the games! So do you go buy the game with 50$ or download the game for FREE with cable connection in couple minutes?

X-Box and PS2 will be safe at least for couple years before emulation is going to ruin them.

[liquid]

I think it's interesting that someone has attempted emulation of the PS2's processor, it's such an advanced system, and I'm supprised that they got some of the demos to run fairly fast too. (this reminds me of back in the days when psemu first came out)

also speaking of the GBA emulation scene...I don't think emulation will kill the GBA since playing the real thing is more fun than and playing on an emulator. However, what WILL kill the GBA are flash linkers. These devices are certainly more damaging to software sales than emulation.