Future of Bleem for PC! and Bleem Inc.

wlion1 · May 28th, 2001

Well it seems that bleem for PC will never get an update. At least that is my opinion. I emailed them yesterday and got a reply back immediately. They will not say 100% whether or not the PC version will be worked on or not. However they say that the future of there company depends on the success of the Dreamcast version . Right now as we speak Randy Linden, the sole coder of Bleem is working on releasing more Dreamcast Paks. They must successfully release paks that people will want to buy and hope that everything can get back to normal. They are also busy fighting Sony out in court. Well depending on how good they really do, could determine if we will ever see a new PC version ever released. According to the response I got from them, right now they cannot afford to have Randy work on the PC side of bleem, until they have made some progress with the Dreamcast port. Well see you all later.

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BOB · June 20th, 2001

Hmm, in my opinion i've always considered emulation as something that should be free.

However, if somebody creates an emulator and wants to sell it fine.. thats upto him/her.

However, lets be honest here, the possibility of a Bleem! for pc appearing any time soon if ever is highly unlikely. Especially when the competition (ePSXe and others) are not only better and compatible with more games but also totally free.

Whereas on the Dreamcast their only competition is the real Playstation and the Playstation 2.

I don't own a Dreamcast and personally think that making you buy a seperate `pak` for every single game is a ripoff tactic, i could understand if they released a pak which supported only a certain number of games, but one per pack is just ripoff tactics in my books, no i don't support the tactics Sony are using against Bleem because in the end run Sony are only hurting sales of Playstation games.

My point? I felt like getting on my high horse.

BOB

Zell · June 21st, 2001

Let's make this simple : BLEEM HASN'T HAVE A FUTURE , let's face it , no updates, sony on their neck , employeres leaving !!!

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FireGL · June 22nd, 2001

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bleem is good..... "IF" the game is compatible to it

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Zell · June 22nd, 2001

That's just partialy True !!! They made emulation Khnown to the world wish was good

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FireGL · June 22nd, 2001

if the game is compatible to bleem the game will run fast not like other emu

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Zell · June 22nd, 2001

Since when ?? Since the ester Bunny came out on Chritmas , or since Bill Gates became the poorest man in the World !!!

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Zster · June 22nd, 2001

Bleem has problems with games using palettized textures, it's speed limiter is also buggy, otherwise it's core is probably the fastest out there. I'm thinking of games like SFEXalpha, Rayman2, Megaman, SFA3 and silent hill which run full speed even on lower spec (<400mhz) systems. It's also much better with XA audio than the free emulators (but not the commercial VGS). So it's not all bad, just too expensive for a product which was not the promised/implied PSX replacement. Yhat was their real crime (not to mention the delays). Thing is with computers being faster today and quality of emulation counting more than raw speed ePSXe is by far the better emulator (although I can't understand why nobody seems to care that much about the sound).

Ps Bleem! was also available two years ago, but then so was PSemuPro

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Zell · June 22nd, 2001

that ain't correct , ePSXe gives better results even on old PC then Bleem and that's a Proven Fact

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Zster · June 22nd, 2001

Try the games I mentioned (especially the 2D ones). I didn't say all games, in fact most do run faster on ePSXe (Gex, Soul reaver, Chrono Cross) but how much is due to the core and how much due to the improved graphic plugins? Of course ePSXe is slowed down a bit by XA sound so once this is up to speed it'll probably flatten everything else out there (Adri is also fast), I just think there is some inspired coding in bleem which shouldn't be ignored.

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**Betamax** · June 22nd, 2001

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I just think there is some inspired coding in bleem which shouldn't be ignored.

True. The whole thing is written in assemby... and has its own bios. Both of which are a feat in themselves.

That said however if emus are not updated then no matter how good they were they will slowly start to fall behind those that are. Psemupro was good in its day too....

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wanderer · June 23rd, 2001

Bleem, was a very good emulator for its time. XA audio is more or less good and not choppy for the games it supports, because I tried it on my lower 233 Cyrix computer before (ever thought of making Epsxe work on such a processor with such awful floating point processing?

)

Try running some games fully supported in bleem. Full speed is achieved (XA audio running perfectly), while I can only get Epsxe to run at 40fps maximum (Try havng a quite low end run of the mill computer like a 266 MMX pentium and compare the result of running Megaman X5 on both emus).

I agree though that an emulator, no matter how good it is gets to be no good at all and be left behind, if there are no updates. Even with a good, fast assembly core and no bios.

n0estoy · June 23rd, 2001

can't help but wonder what could become of it, if it went open-source.

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Zell · June 23rd, 2001

You mean an open source of bleem ? Well i don't think ot would make a difrence ! And i don't think they would do such a thing !! But i could be a good solution for sony and VGS , thet use the same system

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Zell · June 23rd, 2001

But hey they'll release MGS for Bleemcast , and i personaly think , it will be their last fight and last chance to survive

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JReiginsei · June 26th, 2001

Ever since I switched to Win2k from WinME only one PSX emu has been able to work for me.....and it is not VGS or bleem!. ePSXe makes me kick myself for buying bleem! when it came out.

June 26th, 2001

not me....I actually enjoyed bleem before epsxe was around.

Zell · June 26th, 2001

That's right before , ePSXe !!!

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KillerShots · June 26th, 2001

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can't help but wonder what could become of it, if it went open-source.

You're forgetting something...Bleem! IS open-source! The only problem is open-source assembly may as well be totally closed, because if you didn't write a specific assembly program, you almost certainly won't have a clue what's going on in it. Any executable is nothing more than straight assembly translated to machine code. A translation BACK to assembly is a simple process, but again, not very fruitful.

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Zell · June 26th, 2001

It's open-source !? This just poves that they have compleatly given up , in my opinion !!!

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May 28th, 2001	#1 (permalink)
wlion1 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Miami, Florida USA Posts: 17	Future of Bleem for PC! and Bleem Inc. Well it seems that bleem for PC will never get an update. At least that is my opinion. I emailed them yesterday and got a reply back immediately. They will not say 100% whether or not the PC version will be worked on or not. However they say that the future of there company depends on the success of the Dreamcast version . Right now as we speak Randy Linden, the sole coder of Bleem is working on releasing more Dreamcast Paks. They must successfully release paks that people will want to buy and hope that everything can get back to normal. They are also busy fighting Sony out in court. Well depending on how good they really do, could determine if we will ever see a new PC version ever released. According to the response I got from them, right now they cannot afford to have Randy work on the PC side of bleem, until they have made some progress with the Dreamcast port. Well see you all later. wlion1

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JReiginsei Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 2	Win2k Ever since I switched to Win2k from WinME only one PSX emu has been able to work for me.....and it is not VGS or bleem!. ePSXe makes me kick myself for buying bleem! when it came out.

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June 20th, 2001	#2 (permalink)
BOB Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The evil and horribly corrupt capitalist west Posts: 190	Hmm, in my opinion i've always considered emulation as something that should be free. However, if somebody creates an emulator and wants to sell it fine.. thats upto him/her. However, lets be honest here, the possibility of a Bleem! for pc appearing any time soon if ever is highly unlikely. Especially when the competition (ePSXe and others) are not only better and compatible with more games but also totally free. Whereas on the Dreamcast their only competition is the real Playstation and the Playstation 2. I don't own a Dreamcast and personally think that making you buy a seperate `pak` for every single game is a ripoff tactic, i could understand if they released a pak which supported only a certain number of games, but one per pack is just ripoff tactics in my books, no i don't support the tactics Sony are using against Bleem because in the end run Sony are only hurting sales of Playstation games. My point? I felt like getting on my high horse. BOB

June 21st, 2001	#3 (permalink)
Zell The Sword Saint Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Death Zone Posts: 1,750	Let's make this simple : BLEEM HASN'T HAVE A FUTURE , let's face it , no updates, sony on their neck , employeres leaving !!! __________________ Kuzuryusen ! God-like speed to attack all nine vital points in one stroke. Impossible to dodge and defend ! How want's to stop me E-Mail

June 22nd, 2001	#4 (permalink)
FireGL I'm? Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: ======> Posts: 1,843	.... bleem is good..... "IF" the game is compatible to it __________________ Open your eyes and look within... Are you satisfied with the life your livin'?

June 22nd, 2001	#5 (permalink)
Zell The Sword Saint Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Death Zone Posts: 1,750	That's just partialy True !!! They made emulation Khnown to the world wish was good __________________ Kuzuryusen ! God-like speed to attack all nine vital points in one stroke. Impossible to dodge and defend ! How want's to stop me E-Mail

June 22nd, 2001	#6 (permalink)
FireGL I'm? Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: ======> Posts: 1,843	if the game is compatible to bleem the game will run fast not like other emu __________________ Open your eyes and look within... Are you satisfied with the life your livin'?

June 22nd, 2001	#7 (permalink)
Zell The Sword Saint Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Death Zone Posts: 1,750	Since when ?? Since the ester Bunny came out on Chritmas , or since Bill Gates became the poorest man in the World !!! __________________ Kuzuryusen ! God-like speed to attack all nine vital points in one stroke. Impossible to dodge and defend ! How want's to stop me E-Mail

June 22nd, 2001	#8 (permalink)
Zster Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 47	Bleem has problems with games using palettized textures, it's speed limiter is also buggy, otherwise it's core is probably the fastest out there. I'm thinking of games like SFEXalpha, Rayman2, Megaman, SFA3 and silent hill which run full speed even on lower spec (<400mhz) systems. It's also much better with XA audio than the free emulators (but not the commercial VGS). So it's not all bad, just too expensive for a product which was not the promised/implied PSX replacement. Yhat was their real crime (not to mention the delays). Thing is with computers being faster today and quality of emulation counting more than raw speed ePSXe is by far the better emulator (although I can't understand why nobody seems to care that much about the sound). Ps Bleem! was also available two years ago, but then so was PSemuPro Last edited by Zster; June 22nd, 2001 at 19:46..

June 22nd, 2001	#9 (permalink)
Zell The Sword Saint Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Death Zone Posts: 1,750	that ain't correct , ePSXe gives better results even on old PC then Bleem and that's a Proven Fact __________________ Kuzuryusen ! God-like speed to attack all nine vital points in one stroke. Impossible to dodge and defend ! How want's to stop me E-Mail

June 22nd, 2001	#10 (permalink)
Zster Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 47	Try the games I mentioned (especially the 2D ones). I didn't say all games, in fact most do run faster on ePSXe (Gex, Soul reaver, Chrono Cross) but how much is due to the core and how much due to the improved graphic plugins? Of course ePSXe is slowed down a bit by XA sound so once this is up to speed it'll probably flatten everything else out there (Adri is also fast), I just think there is some inspired coding in bleem which shouldn't be ignored. Last edited by Zster; June 22nd, 2001 at 20:01..

June 23rd, 2001	#12 (permalink)
wanderer Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Philippines Posts: 146	Bleem, was a very good emulator for its time. XA audio is more or less good and not choppy for the games it supports, because I tried it on my lower 233 Cyrix computer before (ever thought of making Epsxe work on such a processor with such awful floating point processing? ) Try running some games fully supported in bleem. Full speed is achieved (XA audio running perfectly), while I can only get Epsxe to run at 40fps maximum (Try havng a quite low end run of the mill computer like a 266 MMX pentium and compare the result of running Megaman X5 on both emus). I agree though that an emulator, no matter how good it is gets to be no good at all and be left behind, if there are no updates. Even with a good, fast assembly core and no bios.

June 23rd, 2001	#13 (permalink)
n0estoy old-timer Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: texas Posts: 1,317	can't help but wonder what could become of it, if it went open-source. Last edited by n0estoy; June 23rd, 2001 at 09:15..

June 23rd, 2001	#14 (permalink)
Zell The Sword Saint Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Death Zone Posts: 1,750	You mean an open source of bleem ? Well i don't think ot would make a difrence ! And i don't think they would do such a thing !! But i could be a good solution for sony and VGS , thet use the same system __________________ Kuzuryusen ! God-like speed to attack all nine vital points in one stroke. Impossible to dodge and defend ! How want's to stop me E-Mail

June 23rd, 2001	#15 (permalink)
Zell The Sword Saint Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Death Zone Posts: 1,750	But hey they'll release MGS for Bleemcast , and i personaly think , it will be their last fight and last chance to survive __________________ Kuzuryusen ! God-like speed to attack all nine vital points in one stroke. Impossible to dodge and defend ! How want's to stop me E-Mail

June 26th, 2001	#17 (permalink)
Samor Guest Posts: n/a	not me....I actually enjoyed bleem before epsxe was around.

June 26th, 2001	#18 (permalink)
Zell The Sword Saint Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Death Zone Posts: 1,750	That's right before , ePSXe !!! __________________ Kuzuryusen ! God-like speed to attack all nine vital points in one stroke. Impossible to dodge and defend ! How want's to stop me E-Mail

June 26th, 2001	#20 (permalink)
Zell The Sword Saint Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Death Zone Posts: 1,750	It's open-source !? This just poves that they have compleatly given up , in my opinion !!! __________________ Kuzuryusen ! God-like speed to attack all nine vital points in one stroke. Impossible to dodge and defend ! How want's to stop me E-Mail