Question

Azrael24 · March 19th, 2003

I´ve allways heard of a new emulator for the PS2 which can ran games.
Is that right?
On the other sight I allways heard that no Emulator can run the PS2 at the moment.
Runs games with the PCSX2?
I´ve the PSX but don´t the PS2, waiting for PS3

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Zapages · March 19th, 2003

No, the PCSX2 only can run homebrew demoes.

As for running commercial games it'll take another year or two.

Also please read around before posting messages. Thanks

Phoenix Flame · March 20th, 2003

The closest any PS2 emulator can get to playing games is displaying the initial loading screen before crashing horribly. Anything beyond that is not possible right now and won't be for some time.

TFoS_Fan · April 4th, 2003

What is the point anybody but coders worrying about PS2 emulation at the moment when it is years off. Also, why are coders so concentrated on PS2 emulation when, lets face it PS1 emulation is not perfect yet.

Why not finish what we started?. Probably in a couple of years time we will have the same thing happening when we have a nearly completed PS2 emulator!!!

**Kane** · April 4th, 2003

Was SNES emulation perfect when PSX emulators were being written? 'Lets face it', no. Who are you to dictate what a developer should or shouldn't work on?

Quatro · April 5th, 2003

the bottom line... wait...

TFoS_Fan · April 5th, 2003

Kane, I agree that the SNES emulation wads not finished, I'm not saying that is a good thing, I just think that coders should finish what they started FIRST thenmove on to new challenges, it seems logical and more enjoyable for the public? I.e I can play my PERFECT PS1 emulator for a year while I wait!

[peace]

TFoS_Fan · April 5th, 2003

Also, I am not telling any coder to do anything, just a suggesting something that seems common sense!

[peace]

**Kane** · April 5th, 2003

>I just think that coders should finish what they started FIRST thenmove on to new challenges, it seems logical and more enjoyable for the public? I.e I can play my PERFECT PS1 emulator for a year while I wait!

Perhaps they feel they've done enough. Or perhaps you didn't realise that the PCSX team are working on both (IIRC). You want perfect PSX emulation? Go and get a PSX.
This is my take on perfect emus :http://www.ngemu.com/articles.php?action=view&rid=21

TFoS_Fan · April 5th, 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Lord Kane
>
Perhaps they feel they've done enough. Or perhaps you didn't realise that the PCSX team are working on both (IIRC). You want perfect PSX emulation? Go and get a PSX.
This is my take on perfect emus :http://www.ngemu.com/articles.php?action=view&rid=21

Well, personally, I think they have not done enough yet. Also, to point out the obvious buying a PSX would not be emulation would it?

Also, I was aware of the PCSX teams efforts to continue on both but, I would be suprised if they have the time to make good emulators of both, Hopefully they do, and if so they would have the start of a great product range.

I personnally do believe that perfect Emulation is obtainable

[peace]

**Kane** · April 5th, 2003

Perfection is in the eye of the beholder. Nothing can ever be perfect.

TFoS_Fan · April 5th, 2003

Perfect is when emulation is as good as playing on a PSX, which is I believe possible

[peace]

**Kane** · April 5th, 2003

For you.
For another it may be HLE emulation. For someone else it may be good graphics without any configuring. For another it may be games running identical to that of the PSX (VGS)

TFoS_Fan · April 5th, 2003

Ok, we could argue over definition of perfect for ever, but, at the end coders could still improve PSX emulation for EVERYONE regardless of there views on perfection, lol, and at this point in time I believe that is more important than PS2 emulation that is years off even being SATISFACTORY.

[peace]

Phoenix Flame · April 5th, 2003

And PS2 emulation will stay that way as long as no one works on it. These projects take a very long time.

Anyway the coders are doing this because they want to - it's got nothing to do with your desires. Anyway what are you complaining about? It's not like the ePSXe team has stopped to focus on PS2 emulation. You'll still see your definition of perfect PSX emulation someday regardless of whether the PCSX2 team are working on PS2 emulation or not.

TFoS_Fan · April 5th, 2003

OK...Ok...u win...just damn epsxe for not releasing there Beta.

Quatro · April 7th, 2003

well like I said, just wait

ranting will get you nowhere...

TFoS_Fan · April 7th, 2003

I hate waiting, lol, I know what your saying Quatro.

Still annoying though, lol

[peace]

ZappaZ · April 8th, 2003

just a thought

(afraid of waking a roaring lion here =)

Shouldn't "perfect emulation" be just that
the perfect replica of something, in the psx case
the ability to run all existing psx games on a computer
with the same Res and speed.
(with that i don't mean on a 100mhz pentium but a normal mid range pc)
If you got the ability to highten the Res or filter the output then it wouldn't be "perfect emulation" anymore right, i mean its great that those options exists but they don't fit into the word perfect at all since the regular psx can't do them.

I don't belive in forcing people to "finish" there emu:s, the only thing we could do is to encourage someone that if he/them doesn't have the intrest or time to continue working
on a it for a long time, then release the source so that we can continue the developement.

And if you can't help, then don't tell people what they should do.

Another thing, i don't belive in striving for perfectionas a first goal,
i rather belive that a good emu is one that:

plays mainstream games
(that many people have)
has some means of improving the output
(so that you can feel that you 2000$ computer actually is more badass than a psx)
plays games that is stored on the computer
(so that you can store your originals and not use them.)

When a emu has archived that it has served its purpose (imho)
anything that is added thereafter is luxury....

what do you guys think?

Phoenix Flame · April 8th, 2003

Read Kane's article, it goes into the fact that perfection is different for everyone. And I totally agree with your last statement.

March 19th, 2003	#1 (permalink)
Azrael24 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 5	Question I´ve allways heard of a new emulator for the PS2 which can ran games. Is that right? On the other sight I allways heard that no Emulator can run the PS2 at the moment. Runs games with the PCSX2? I´ve the PSX but don´t the PS2, waiting for PS3)

March 19th, 2003	#2 (permalink)
Zapages Prince of Persia Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: USA Posts: 1,094	No, the PCSX2 only can run homebrew demoes. As for running commercial games it'll take another year or two. Also please read around before posting messages. Thanks __________________ Prince of Persia Legacy and Prince of Persia Gallery

April 4th, 2003	#4 (permalink)
TFoS_Fan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 2 Inches inside sanity Posts: 40	What is the point anybody but coders worrying about PS2 emulation at the moment when it is years off. Also, why are coders so concentrated on PS2 emulation when, lets face it PS1 emulation is not perfect yet. Why not finish what we started?. Probably in a couple of years time we will have the same thing happening when we have a nearly completed PS2 emulator!!! __________________ "The Fickle-Fascination In An Everlasting God"

April 4th, 2003	#5 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,253	Was SNES emulation perfect when PSX emulators were being written? 'Lets face it', no. Who are you to dictate what a developer should or shouldn't work on? __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

April 5th, 2003	#6 (permalink)
Quatro c3rTifiEd V@mpIr3 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Laguna Posts: 8,295	the bottom line... wait... __________________ BE ONE OF US I JOIN THE WOLF CLAN - when you think that you have accomplish so much, many think of it as so little...

March 20th, 2003	#3 (permalink)
Phoenix Flame Flood Yourself Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 1,338	The closest any PS2 emulator can get to playing games is displaying the initial loading screen before crashing horribly. Anything beyond that is not possible right now and won't be for some time.

April 5th, 2003	#7 (permalink)
TFoS_Fan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 2 Inches inside sanity Posts: 40	Kane, I agree that the SNES emulation wads not finished, I'm not saying that is a good thing, I just think that coders should finish what they started FIRST thenmove on to new challenges, it seems logical and more enjoyable for the public? I.e I can play my PERFECT PS1 emulator for a year while I wait! [peace] __________________ "The Fickle-Fascination In An Everlasting God"

April 5th, 2003	#8 (permalink)
TFoS_Fan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 2 Inches inside sanity Posts: 40	Also, I am not telling any coder to do anything, just a suggesting something that seems common sense! [peace] __________________ "The Fickle-Fascination In An Everlasting God"

April 5th, 2003	#9 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,253	>I just think that coders should finish what they started FIRST thenmove on to new challenges, it seems logical and more enjoyable for the public? I.e I can play my PERFECT PS1 emulator for a year while I wait! Perhaps they feel they've done enough. Or perhaps you didn't realise that the PCSX team are working on both (IIRC). You want perfect PSX emulation? Go and get a PSX. This is my take on perfect emus :http://www.ngemu.com/articles.php?action=view&rid=21 __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

April 5th, 2003	#11 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,253	Perfection is in the eye of the beholder. Nothing can ever be perfect. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

April 5th, 2003	#12 (permalink)
TFoS_Fan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 2 Inches inside sanity Posts: 40	Perfect is when emulation is as good as playing on a PSX, which is I believe possible [peace] __________________ "The Fickle-Fascination In An Everlasting God"

April 5th, 2003	#13 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,253	For you. For another it may be HLE emulation. For someone else it may be good graphics without any configuring. For another it may be games running identical to that of the PSX (VGS) __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

April 5th, 2003	#14 (permalink)
TFoS_Fan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 2 Inches inside sanity Posts: 40	Ok, we could argue over definition of perfect for ever, but, at the end coders could still improve PSX emulation for EVERYONE regardless of there views on perfection, lol, and at this point in time I believe that is more important than PS2 emulation that is years off even being SATISFACTORY. [peace] __________________ "The Fickle-Fascination In An Everlasting God"

April 5th, 2003	#15 (permalink)
Phoenix Flame Flood Yourself Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 1,338	And PS2 emulation will stay that way as long as no one works on it. These projects take a very long time. Anyway the coders are doing this because they want to - it's got nothing to do with your desires. Anyway what are you complaining about? It's not like the ePSXe team has stopped to focus on PS2 emulation. You'll still see your definition of perfect PSX emulation someday regardless of whether the PCSX2 team are working on PS2 emulation or not.

April 5th, 2003	#16 (permalink)
TFoS_Fan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 2 Inches inside sanity Posts: 40	OK...Ok...u win...just damn epsxe for not releasing there Beta. __________________ "The Fickle-Fascination In An Everlasting God"

April 7th, 2003	#17 (permalink)
Quatro c3rTifiEd V@mpIr3 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Laguna Posts: 8,295	well like I said, just wait ranting will get you nowhere... __________________ BE ONE OF US I JOIN THE WOLF CLAN - when you think that you have accomplish so much, many think of it as so little...

April 7th, 2003	#18 (permalink)
TFoS_Fan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 2 Inches inside sanity Posts: 40	I hate waiting, lol, I know what your saying Quatro. Still annoying though, lol [peace] __________________ "The Fickle-Fascination In An Everlasting God"

April 8th, 2003	#19 (permalink)
ZappaZ Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 67	just a thought (afraid of waking a roaring lion here =) Shouldn't "perfect emulation" be just that the perfect replica of something, in the psx case the ability to run all existing psx games on a computer with the same Res and speed. (with that i don't mean on a 100mhz pentium but a normal mid range pc) If you got the ability to highten the Res or filter the output then it wouldn't be "perfect emulation" anymore right, i mean its great that those options exists but they don't fit into the word perfect at all since the regular psx can't do them. I don't belive in forcing people to "finish" there emu:s, the only thing we could do is to encourage someone that if he/them doesn't have the intrest or time to continue working on a it for a long time, then release the source so that we can continue the developement. And if you can't help, then don't tell people what they should do. Another thing, i don't belive in striving for perfectionas a first goal, i rather belive that a good emu is one that: plays mainstream games (that many people have) has some means of improving the output (so that you can feel that you 2000$ computer actually is more badass than a psx) plays games that is stored on the computer (so that you can store your originals and not use them.) When a emu has archived that it has served its purpose (imho) anything that is added thereafter is luxury.... what do you guys think? __________________ ---------------------------------- {Insert cool quote here} ---------------------------------- Last edited by ZappaZ; April 8th, 2003 at 09:41.

April 8th, 2003	#20 (permalink)
Phoenix Flame Flood Yourself Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 1,338	Read Kane's article, it goes into the fact that perfection is different for everyone. And I totally agree with your last statement.

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