GLide Video Cards

felinusz · April 15th, 2003

I am considering buying a PCI 3DFX card for emulation use (glide=wicked awesome emulation).

Is it worth the money for the performance?

Now, which of the old 3DFX cards is the best deal and will provide the best performance with N64, PSX, etc emulation? I am putting this here instead of Hardware discussion as it seems appropriate.

Also, is it possible to have my moniter hooked up to two video cards (my GeForce ghetto, and the 3DFX so that I don't have to do cable changing all the time) simultaniously, with selection being made through windows?

(I'm well aware also that my GeForce2 MX is probably almost as bad as any glide card... I'm going to be picking up a 9700/9800 p sometime soon as well)

**fivefeet8** · April 15th, 2003

The best glide card for use in emulation is a Voodoo5 pci.. Being pci, you can use both your agp card and the v5 simultaneously in a dual monitor setup.. There are some adapters that allow you to switch between vga cards.. I don't use them since I have 3 displays.. TV, 15", 19"..

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felinusz · April 15th, 2003

O.K. I have only one moiter, can I still *switch* between the two cards without changing phsical cables? Also, is the V5 worth the cost for it's emulation 'power'?

**Kane** · April 15th, 2003

>O.K. I have only one moiter, can I still *switch* between the two cards without changing phsical cables?

Not unless you have a monitor switch box I'm afraid.

>Also, is the V5 worth the cost for it's emulation 'power'?

IMO yes.... if you get a good price for it. For emulation it's fast, and it has the best FSAA around.

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felinusz · April 15th, 2003

Where can I purchase a 'moniter switchbox'?

Also, what is a 'good' price for a V5 PCI? I looked at a local store and they are selling a V5 AGP for $250 (Canadian) (also, it's their last one which they've had for almost a year now). So would a V5 PCI be cheaper or more expensive?

If I have to be changing the monitor cable to use the card in adition to my other (AGP) card then I don't want to spend more than $100 Canadian on it... Maybe I'm dreaming here...

Nope. I'm awake.

Thank you for the info guys.

**Kane** · April 16th, 2003

>Where can I purchase a 'moniter switchbox'?

Any good computer hardware store. Maplins in the UK does them. I think the stateside variant of that is Radioshack. Dunno what it is in Canada.

>Also, what is a 'good' price for a V5 PCI?

I purchased mine for around GB£50 I think, which is around US$75. I wouldn't pay nore than US$80 for it. The PCI variants are normally more expensive as they are more sought after.

> have to be changing the monitor cable to use the card in adition to my other (AGP) card then I don't want to spend more than $100 Canadian on it...

Monitor switch boxes aren't that expensive. I think they would be around US$10-20

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felinusz · April 16th, 2003

Thanks a lot Kane, I will investigate immediately

Aleksei (St) · April 23rd, 2003

vodoo 5 5500 pci is a really good card for any kind of emulation cause the glide api is really good ( try glide 64, lewpy, and nicks plugins)

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navilink · April 23rd, 2003

well, felinuz, last time u told me how to use Glide64 with TNT2, OK I can do it. But the graphic, the color is not correct, and some items on screen are blacken out...how come??? And the speed isn't much obvious. I still think Jabo D3D is the best!

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**fivefeet8** · April 23rd, 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by navilink
well, felinuz, last time u told me how to use Glide64 with TNT2, OK I can do it. But the graphic, the color is not correct, and some items on screen are blacken out...how come??? And the speed isn't much obvious. I still think Jabo D3D is the best!

Because you don't have a native voodoo card and probably using a glide wrapper.. You don't get those graphic glitches with a real Voodoo..

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felinusz · April 24th, 2003

Navilink:
*Ouch*... which glide wrapper are you using? Evoodoo works pretty well for me...

LordKane, Fivefeet8:
Also, I'm picking up my Voodoo 5500 PCI tonight (or tommorrow) for $40 U.S. :grin: Radioshack sells the monitor switchbox that I need also, so I'm all set.

Thanks a lot for the the great info Lord Kane, and Fivefeet8

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**Kane** · April 24th, 2003

Glad you're happy man.

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felinusz · April 25th, 2003

I'm not as happy any more.... It turns out that the card I was aiming for is a 'Voodoo 5500 PCI for Macintosh'.... meaning that it is useless to me...

Looks like I'll have to shell out $50 (American, which means $75 Canadian) on Ebay for one... Oh, well, I'm sure it will be wrth it

**Lewpy** · April 25th, 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by felinusz
I'm not as happy any more.... It turns out that the card I was aiming for is a 'Voodoo 5500 PCI for Macintosh'.... meaning that it is useless to me...

Not necessarily useless, as it is possible to re-flash the Voodoo 5500 PCI Mac model with a PC BIOS, and get a working PC version of the card ... with DVI as well

felinusz · April 26th, 2003

Hmmm... Can you hit me with a link or the instructions on how to do this (I happen have an iMac in case that is required)? This would be quite useful as the Mac ones are quite a bit easier to find, and cheaper, for obvious reasons. If the procedure can be carried out safely (80% success is what I'm willing to risk) and effectively than I'm wiling to try it.

Also, this may be a me and my inability to pick up acronyms (or my n00bish lack of knowledge that sometimes pops up here and there

) but what is DVI?

**Kane** · April 26th, 2003

>Also, this may be a me and my inability to pick up acronyms (or my n00bish lack of knowledge that sometimes pops up here and there ) but what is DVI?

Digital Video Interface. Unfortunately, even if the card itself does have one, by flashing it with a PC BIOS, you lose that functionality.

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felinusz · April 26th, 2003

Erm. What is *that* functionality anyways? Do you know where a PC BIOS and flasher are (reliably) available? I'm googling it and not coming up with a whole lot...

**Lewpy** · April 26th, 2003

A quick search of the web showed that the files at V3Info are still available, so grab a Voodoo5 flashing utility from here.

I received this email last year from "someone"

which said

Quote:

As for the dvi out bios, attached is a newer version which should work ok. i don't have a dvi monitor but upon flashing a mac v5 pci in a pc, 3dfx tools detected the dviout and the dvi tab in the tools was enabled.

I've attached the BIOS, but I can't verify that it works myself as I never managed to find a Voodoo5 Mac card in the UK for a reasonable price, so I ended up buying a normal PC one without DVI.

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felinusz · April 27th, 2003

The one I am looking at now is a PC PCI 5500 card with dual moniter output (one is normal, the other is for LCD moniters = DVI?)

Is this the same thing (DVI)?

Thanks for the BIOs and link I will investigate out of curiosity...

Also, sorry for the n00bish questions concerning this... Thanks for your patience

acepower · April 28th, 2003

What are you talking about switchboxes and other useless things? You can purchase a voodoo 1 or voodoo 2 PCI which includes in the box ( no extra hardware ) a pass through cable. You only have to connect this cable with your GF2 MX (or whatever) AGP and connect your voodoo with the monitor. This way you have the AGP working all the time and the voodoo card takes priority only when Glide comes in scene. No boxes, no extra hardware, no nothing! You can also connect two voodoo2 cards (2 free PCI) and still keep your AGP and you 'll have that way a powerfull glide machine, still no extra hardware (switchboxes etc.)
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felinusz overclocking magus Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,372	GLide Video Cards I am considering buying a PCI 3DFX card for emulation use (glide=wicked awesome emulation). Is it worth the money for the performance? Now, which of the old 3DFX cards is the best deal and will provide the best performance with N64, PSX, etc emulation? I am putting this here instead of Hardware discussion as it seems appropriate. Also, is it possible to have my moniter hooked up to two video cards (my GeForce ghetto, and the 3DFX so that I don't have to do cable changing all the time) simultaniously, with selection being made through windows? (I'm well aware also that my GeForce2 MX is probably almost as bad as any glide card... I'm going to be picking up a 9700/9800 p sometime soon as well)

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fivefeet8 &-)---\|--< Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Smallville Posts: 7,698	The best glide card for use in emulation is a Voodoo5 pci.. Being pci, you can use both your agp card and the v5 simultaneously in a dual monitor setup.. There are some adapters that allow you to switch between vga cards.. I don't use them since I have 3 displays.. TV, 15", 19".. __________________ Play emulated games online Main Rig\|\|Intel Q6600@3.2 ghertz\|4x1gb DDR2 1066\|Asrock 1600sli 110db LGA 775\|EVGA 8800gtx@620/1450/975\|2x Seagate 160gb SATA150 Raid0\|250 gb Samsung SATA2 HD\|Seagate 7000.10 500gb HD\|NEC 3520 4x/8x DVD+R/RW DL burner\|Antec TP 650 watt\|40" Sony Bravia 1080p\|20.1" 5ms LCD 1680x1050 Native\|Logitec 5.1 Speaker System w/15" Sub\|Dual Boot Ubuntu 64bit/Vista 32bit\|\| SimplyBuyIt - Health&Nutrition

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felinusz overclocking magus Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,372	O.K. I have only one moiter, can I still switch between the two cards without changing phsical cables? Also, is the V5 worth the cost for it's emulation 'power'?

April 15th, 2003	#4 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,305	>O.K. I have only one moiter, can I still switch between the two cards without changing phsical cables? Not unless you have a monitor switch box I'm afraid. >Also, is the V5 worth the cost for it's emulation 'power'? IMO yes.... if you get a good price for it. For emulation it's fast, and it has the best FSAA around. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

April 15th, 2003	#5 (permalink)
felinusz overclocking magus Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,372	Where can I purchase a 'moniter switchbox'? Also, what is a 'good' price for a V5 PCI? I looked at a local store and they are selling a V5 AGP for $250 (Canadian) (also, it's their last one which they've had for almost a year now). So would a V5 PCI be cheaper or more expensive? If I have to be changing the monitor cable to use the card in adition to my other (AGP) card then I don't want to spend more than $100 Canadian on it... Maybe I'm dreaming here... Nope. I'm awake. Thank you for the info guys.

April 16th, 2003	#6 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,305	>Where can I purchase a 'moniter switchbox'? Any good computer hardware store. Maplins in the UK does them. I think the stateside variant of that is Radioshack. Dunno what it is in Canada. >Also, what is a 'good' price for a V5 PCI? I purchased mine for around GB£50 I think, which is around US$75. I wouldn't pay nore than US$80 for it. The PCI variants are normally more expensive as they are more sought after. > have to be changing the monitor cable to use the card in adition to my other (AGP) card then I don't want to spend more than $100 Canadian on it... Monitor switch boxes aren't that expensive. I think they would be around US$10-20 __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

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felinusz overclocking magus Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,372	Thanks a lot Kane, I will investigate immediately

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Aleksei (St) In Love! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ensenada Mexico Posts: 704	vodoo 5 5500 pci is a really good card for any kind of emulation cause the glide api is really good ( try glide 64, lewpy, and nicks plugins) __________________

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navilink Ohana means family... Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Jalur Gemilang Posts: 353	well, felinuz, last time u told me how to use Glide64 with TNT2, OK I can do it. But the graphic, the color is not correct, and some items on screen are blacken out...how come??? And the speed isn't much obvious. I still think Jabo D3D is the best! __________________ AMD Athlon Thunderbird 900Mhz, 192MB SDRAM PC133, 64MB GeForce4 MX440SE, DirectX9.0c, Detonator 45.23, Creative Vibra 128, Win98SE :: N64 Emulation Setup :: EMULATOR: Project64 1.6 :: GRAPHIC: Jabo D3D6 1.5 & D3D7 1.4 :: SOUND: Jabo DirectSound 1.5 :: CONTROL: N-Rage Direct-Input8 V2 1.83a :: Playstation Emulation Setup :: EMULATOR: ePSXe 1.6.0 :: GRAPHIC: Pete's D3D Driver 1.7.6 :: SOUND: Eternal SPU Plugin 1.41 :: CDROM: ePSXe CDR ASPI core 1.5.2

April 24th, 2003	#11 (permalink)
felinusz overclocking magus Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,372	Navilink: Ouch... which glide wrapper are you using? Evoodoo works pretty well for me... LordKane, Fivefeet8: Also, I'm picking up my Voodoo 5500 PCI tonight (or tommorrow) for $40 U.S. :grin: Radioshack sells the monitor switchbox that I need also, so I'm all set. Thanks a lot for the the great info Lord Kane, and Fivefeet8 .

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Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,305	Glad you're happy man. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

April 25th, 2003	#13 (permalink)
felinusz overclocking magus Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,372	I'm not as happy any more.... It turns out that the card I was aiming for is a 'Voodoo 5500 PCI for Macintosh'.... meaning that it is useless to me... Looks like I'll have to shell out $50 (American, which means $75 Canadian) on Ebay for one... Oh, well, I'm sure it will be wrth it

April 26th, 2003	#15 (permalink)
felinusz overclocking magus Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,372	Hmmm... Can you hit me with a link or the instructions on how to do this (I happen have an iMac in case that is required)? This would be quite useful as the Mac ones are quite a bit easier to find, and cheaper, for obvious reasons. If the procedure can be carried out safely (80% success is what I'm willing to risk) and effectively than I'm wiling to try it. Also, this may be a me and my inability to pick up acronyms (or my n00bish lack of knowledge that sometimes pops up here and there ) but what is DVI?

April 26th, 2003	#16 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,305	>Also, this may be a me and my inability to pick up acronyms (or my n00bish lack of knowledge that sometimes pops up here and there ) but what is DVI? Digital Video Interface. Unfortunately, even if the card itself does have one, by flashing it with a PC BIOS, you lose that functionality. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

April 26th, 2003	#17 (permalink)
felinusz overclocking magus Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,372	Erm. What is that functionality anyways? Do you know where a PC BIOS and flasher are (reliably) available? I'm googling it and not coming up with a whole lot...

April 27th, 2003	#19 (permalink)
felinusz overclocking magus Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,372	The one I am looking at now is a PC PCI 5500 card with dual moniter output (one is normal, the other is for LCD moniters = DVI?) Is this the same thing (DVI)? Thanks for the BIOs and link I will investigate out of curiosity... Also, sorry for the n00bish questions concerning this... Thanks for your patience

April 28th, 2003	#20 (permalink)
acepower Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 74	What are you talking about switchboxes and other useless things? You can purchase a voodoo 1 or voodoo 2 PCI which includes in the box ( no extra hardware ) a pass through cable. You only have to connect this cable with your GF2 MX (or whatever) AGP and connect your voodoo with the monitor. This way you have the AGP working all the time and the voodoo card takes priority only when Glide comes in scene. No boxes, no extra hardware, no nothing! You can also connect two voodoo2 cards (2 free PCI) and still keep your AGP and you 'll have that way a powerfull glide machine, still no extra hardware (switchboxes etc.) Gosh...!