How does a GC CD work?

VDDZ · January 19th, 2004

I've heard a lot of stuff, but what is true? Are GC CD's Mini DVD's? Are they there own secert type of cd? Are they written backwards? I know they don't spin backwards, I looked.

Xcool · January 19th, 2004

To my knowlegde they are mini dvd
I haven't heard of them being written backwards
but i don't think they are written backwards
I think they are just written in a way that only the gamecube's frimware can read

kougaiji · January 19th, 2004

i think they are just dvd in small size, which can be insert into NGC...
anyway they HAVE far less capacity

**Yeloazndevil** · January 19th, 2004

the mini dvd's are made by panasonic. they are regular mini dvd's but with encyrption

Clements · January 19th, 2004

They ARE Mini-DVDs and have ~1.5GB of data as a opposed to 4.7GB for a regular DVD. As GC discs are small (8cm diameter), the laser does not have to travel very far, and as a result, you don't have loading times of other CD/DVD based systems.

GC Mini-DVDs cannot be read by a PC drive (Nintendo did this a a piracy measure). The GC disk drive does not spin backwards.

dpence · January 19th, 2004

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Originally Posted by kougaiji

i think they are just dvd in small size, which can be insert into NGC...
anyway they HAVE far less capacity

That doesn't mean a whole lot as the average PS2/Xbox game is only around 2gb anyways...Plus, due to the way the GC is designed, What others need 2gb of space to store, the GC can use far less space without losing quality...

**Chrono Archangel** · January 19th, 2004

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Originally Posted by dpence

That doesn't mean a whole lot as the average PS2/Xbox game is only around 2gb anyways...Plus, due to the way the GC is designed, What others need 2gb of space to store, the GC can use far less space without losing quality...

well said. It's not because the PS2 an XBOX uses DVDs that they use the entire 4.7gb available. Ive never heard any software developping company complain that they cant make a game on the GC because the media doesnt have enough space

Xinu0 · January 19th, 2004

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Originally Posted by Chrono Archange

well said. It's not because the PS2 an XBOX uses DVDs that they use the entire 4.7gb available. Ive never heard any software developping company complain that they cant make a game on the GC because the media doesnt have enough space

Yeah....They complain because of lack of graphiccal power.

:j/k:

**Chrono Archangel** · January 19th, 2004

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Originally Posted by Xinu0

Yeah....They complain because of lack of graphiccal power.

:j/k:

you better be joking

Xinu0 · January 20th, 2004

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Originally Posted by Chrono Archange

you better be joking

I am, I am......
But I do wonder(Since I know nothing indepth about the consoles), why are some games only released for PS2 and Xbox and not GC? An example would be Splinter Cell(I think).

**Chrono Archangel** · January 20th, 2004

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Originally Posted by Xinu0

I am, I am......
But I do wonder(Since I know nothing indepth about the consoles), why are some games only released for PS2 and Xbox and not GC? An example would be Splinter Cell(I think).

Beats me... Maybe its probably harder to make a game for GC or maybe because of the agreements they have with companies.

kougaiji · January 20th, 2004

maybe ngc doesnt have a large market sale
so the cant expect the game to sell much

Xinu0 · January 20th, 2004

I doubt it, especially since the holidays when the sales or it rocketed(a la the $99 price). I thought of a few more that are not coming to GC-MX unleashed, May Payne2, Driver3, GTA3.

dpence · January 20th, 2004

it's because of the misconception of GC being a Kiddie system. That and well..PS2 is biggest, so naturally they are going to try to get money out of that. And Xbox well it's very, very easy to port to, so Xbox versions are almost a freebie for them.

madmonkeyboy · January 20th, 2004

maybe this has something to do with the way nintendo has treated 3rd party developers in the past?
i dont think user base is anything to do with this though as globally there is not much difference between xbox and gamecube.

VDDZ · January 20th, 2004

Maybe sony is paying the game makers to not sell to Nintendo so that Sony can wipe them off the map. nah

How is the cd encyrpted? CAN a future DVD drive read a GCCD, or is it something that would be completly illagel to add to a PC DVD drive?

**GiGaHeRz** · January 21st, 2004

I think that, even if it was readable by a normal dvd drive, you will have to decrypt the data by software, and i don't know of any GC-disk decrypter :P

**hushypushy** · January 21st, 2004

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Originally Posted by Chrono Archange

well said. It's not because the PS2 an XBOX uses DVDs that they use the entire 4.7gb available. Ive never heard any software developping company complain that they cant make a game on the GC because the media doesnt have enough space

sorry to quote an old post...but i had to comment. chrono, i agree with what you said, just not 100%. some games do use the 4.7 GB, and even past it. good example: Metal Gear Solid: Substance. it's a dual layered disc, therefore it holds ~9.4 GB.

Clements · January 21st, 2004

Most of that space on XBox/PS2 games is wasted with pointless uninteractive FMV clips (they take up a LOT of space).

1.5GB is enough for about 50 Ocarina of Time's, so is enough for any game.

**Chrono Archangel** · January 21st, 2004

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Originally Posted by hushypushy

sorry to quote an old post...but i had to comment. chrono, i agree with what you said, just not 100%. some games do use the 4.7 GB, and even past it. good example: Metal Gear Solid: Substance. it's a dual layered disc, therefore it holds ~9.4 GB.

i never denied that. its the same thing for the GC. games like Enter The MAtrix use 2 mini-DVDs

January 19th, 2004	#1 (permalink)
VDDZ Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: in a box under the stairs in the corner of the basement half a block down the street from Jerry's Bait shop, You know the place. Posts: 502	How does a GC CD work? I've heard a lot of stuff, but what is true? Are GC CD's Mini DVD's? Are they there own secert type of cd? Are they written backwards? I know they don't spin backwards, I looked. __________________ Image made by someone at deviantART.com, I lost their name, sorry...

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Xcool Super Cooling Expert Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 73	To my knowlegde they are mini dvd I haven't heard of them being written backwards but i don't think they are written backwards I think they are just written in a way that only the gamecube's frimware can read __________________ My rig: AXP 2100 @ 2600 ATI R9800 256 Epox 8rda+ MOBO 256 MB of XMS PC3200 RAM Soundstrom audio TDK DVD-RW Win XP PRO

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kougaiji smile...like an angel Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: sichuan,mianyang,china Posts: 549	i think they are just dvd in small size, which can be insert into NGC... anyway they HAVE far less capacity __________________ cumpter: AMD 2500+ 512mb TNT2 32mb console: PS2

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Clements MMP-2 Dude Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 1,635	They ARE Mini-DVDs and have ~1.5GB of data as a opposed to 4.7GB for a regular DVD. As GC discs are small (8cm diameter), the laser does not have to travel very far, and as a result, you don't have loading times of other CD/DVD based systems. GC Mini-DVDs cannot be read by a PC drive (Nintendo did this a a piracy measure). The GC disk drive does not spin backwards. __________________ PJ64 Homepage \| ZSNES Documentation Project \| bsnes Supporter

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kougaiji smile...like an angel Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: sichuan,mianyang,china Posts: 549	maybe ngc doesnt have a large market sale so the cant expect the game to sell much __________________ cumpter: AMD 2500+ 512mb TNT2 32mb console: PS2

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Yeloazndevil :3 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 10,138	the mini dvd's are made by panasonic. they are regular mini dvd's but with encyrption

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Xinu0 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Folsom, California Posts: 948	I doubt it, especially since the holidays when the sales or it rocketed(a la the $99 price). I thought of a few more that are not coming to GC-MX unleashed, May Payne2, Driver3, GTA3. __________________ blog AMD AtholonXP 2600+ 512mb DDR333 Kingston Soyo Dragon Lite mobo(KT400) ATI 9600XT @ 571.5/357.5 80GB WD 7200rpm 8mbcache 19-inch ViewSonic PS790 CRT DVD-ROM

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dpence Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: USA Posts: 1,118	it's because of the misconception of GC being a Kiddie system. That and well..PS2 is biggest, so naturally they are going to try to get money out of that. And Xbox well it's very, very easy to port to, so Xbox versions are almost a freebie for them.

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madmonkeyboy Old Gitt!! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ipswich, England Posts: 336	maybe this has something to do with the way nintendo has treated 3rd party developers in the past? i dont think user base is anything to do with this though as globally there is not much difference between xbox and gamecube. __________________ sig removed, please refer to the new sig regulations next time

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VDDZ Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: in a box under the stairs in the corner of the basement half a block down the street from Jerry's Bait shop, You know the place. Posts: 502	Maybe sony is paying the game makers to not sell to Nintendo so that Sony can wipe them off the map. nah How is the cd encyrpted? CAN a future DVD drive read a GCCD, or is it something that would be completly illagel to add to a PC DVD drive? __________________ Image made by someone at deviantART.com, I lost their name, sorry...

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GiGaHeRz B( o Y o )BS? Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 847	I think that, even if it was readable by a normal dvd drive, you will have to decrypt the data by software, and i don't know of any GC-disk decrypter :P __________________ "There's only one absolute truth in our world: shït happens." - Gigaherz (whoever decided "s-h-i-t" is a obscene word needs to grow up a few years) The Book and other stories: Tears of Fantasy - An Online Book... by ME! MetaLife, Inc. (intro) SubGaea (intro) Crow Blade (intro for now) Memories - Prayer from the fallen hearts. My weblog... not like if there was too much to read on it tho. For anyone interested, there's a mirc script which converts "/me 's" into " * nickname's whatever" and adds a nice "/my" command.

January 21st, 2004	#19 (permalink)
Clements MMP-2 Dude Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 1,635	Most of that space on XBox/PS2 games is wasted with pointless uninteractive FMV clips (they take up a LOT of space). 1.5GB is enough for about 50 Ocarina of Time's, so is enough for any game. __________________ PJ64 Homepage \| ZSNES Documentation Project \| bsnes Supporter

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