Gamecube Dvd

[T.O.F.K.A.Z]

GC max size is 1.5Gb.
As for a GC ISO making tool , there is one already IIRC.

[AnimeMagic]

1.5Max...but the question is not answered full
If there is a game for the 3 consoles
Lets say the game is 3 gbfor ps2and xbox but 1.5for gamecube how is that?
(sorry bad english)

[Kane]

Because a lot of games use Jumk files to fill up the latent space.

[AnimeMagic]

what is jumk files? (interesting )

[Kane]

Surely the name gives you enough description. They are junk files. Files full of junk with no actual game data in them.

[l3illyl3ob]

most isos you see will have the junk files removed, so they turn out really small. I dont really understand why they're so considerably smaller than games of other consoles myself, games load too fast for them to be really heavily compressed, it seems...

[WinterHell]

What actually makes Freeloader?I use it to unlock the USA region Games.Does it makes something other?
Is there public software(can get/download from somewhere)that can be burned on normal mini dvd and play on Gamecube?
Else,how to run software on GC insted using DVDs?

[Yeloazndevil]

none of that is possible. The GC discs may be Mini-DVD's, but there way different they were made by panasonic. even if it was possible u would have to figure how to burn then to regualr mini-dvd's

[T.O.F.K.A.Z]

burning a regular Mini-DVD can be done with any DVD burner IIRC , you see they have the same two spaces to put a disc in ;
a normal one and a small one which for mini cd/dvd's.

Might have misunderstood what you meant Yelo but I felt like posting this.

[roxor]

Just wondering: why fill up the disc with junk files? Sounds like a waste of space that could better be used for content.

[Chrono Archangel]

Originally Posted by T.O.F.K.A.Z

burning a regular Mini-DVD can be done with any DVD burner IIRC , you see they have the same two spaces to put a disc in ;
a normal one and a small one which for mini cd/dvd's.

Might have misunderstood what you meant Yelo but I felt like posting this.

IIRC the GC Mini-DVD isnt just a cut down version of a DVD so you cant burn them with your DVD-Writer even if there is a smaller place. Some Mini-DVD burners exist....but they dont work with the GC format. or at atleast thats what ive heard

[Drack]

>Just wondering: why fill up the disc with junk files? Sounds like a waste of space that could better be used for content.

It makes the discs easier to read for the DVD laser. This is opposed to have all the files culstered right around the center of the disc, using this method is less stress on the laser. I know lots of PS2 games do this as well, I'm not sure about XBOX tho.

>IIRC the GC Mini-DVD isnt just a cut down version of a DVD so you cant burn them with your DVD-Writer even if there is a smaller place. Some Mini-DVD burners exist....but they dont work with the GC format. or at atleast thats what ive heard

I've heard some conflicting info on this topic, but really it doesn't matter. The boot techniques used today have the DVD read off the PC DVD reader, than uploaded to the GC via the network adapter. I fact I don't think its possible to load directly with the Panasonic Q with a burned GC DVD.

[roxor]

>> It makes the discs easier to read for the DVD laser. This is opposed to have all the files culstered right around the center of the disc, using this method is less stress on the laser. I know lots of PS2 games do this as well, I'm not sure about XBOX tho.
How is that supposed to make the disc easier to read? I can't see the logic there.

[Drack]

>How is that supposed to make the disc easier to read? I can't see the logic there.

Sorry this is hard to explain, but think about it. When data is requested from a file, the drive looks in a area called the PQ subchannel, from this it dervies a range of sectors where the data is located. Putting junk data in the file allows the drive to know that it can skip over that data, thus making it faster and reducing seek times.

[T.O.F.K.A.Z]

Originally Posted by Chrono Archange

IIRC the GC Mini-DVD isnt just a cut down version of a DVD so you cant burn them with your DVD-Writer even if there is a smaller place. Some Mini-DVD burners exist....but they dont work with the GC format. or at atleast thats what ive heard

I was just saying I can burn a Mini-DVD when I want to I'm not saying the gc discs are pirateable ... like Drack set you might be able to burn an Iso on a Mini DVD but sill you miss the bootrecognition used by the Gamecube.

[axis]

the thing with the junk files is that they also move the important data files to the outer edges of the DVD/CD... faster transfer times, as each concentric ring of data moving outwards gets larger and can store more info. The laser doesn't have to move as much to jump between files.

when labelling the speeds of CD and DVD drive, the number given (52x, 16x) is the maximum speed at the outer edges of the media.

[Chrono Archangel]

Originally Posted by T.O.F.K.A.Z

I was just saying I can burn a Mini-DVD when I want to I'm not saying the gc discs are pirateable ... like Drack set you might be able to burn an Iso on a Mini DVD but sill you miss the bootrecognition used by the Gamecube.

well what i meant is that the mini-dvds you can buy (the cut-down version of a DVD) arent the same as the GC mini-DVDs.

[Drack]

>the thing with the junk files is that they also move the important data files to the outer edges of the DVD/CD... faster transfer times, as each concentric ring of data moving outwards gets larger and can store more info. The laser doesn't have to move as much to jump between files.

Thats is quite right axis, I knew there was another explanation, I just couldn't remember it. Most DVD readers read faster on the outer edges. You can see this in a spinning cd in a portable cd player, in this case the cd must slow down on the outer edges. This is because more data is read with fewer RPMs on the outer edge.

>well what i meant is that the mini-dvds you can buy (the cut-down version of a DVD) arent the same as the GC mini-DVDs.

I suspect that the GC mini-DVDs are DVD9, therefore your home burner would not be able to burn it correctly. I have no evidence to back this up tho, but it makes sense, if Nintendo is having trouble getting all to fit on one DVD, RE ect.

[l3illyl3ob]

Originally Posted by Drack

It makes the discs easier to read for the DVD laser. This is opposed to have all the files culstered right around the center of the disc, using this method is less stress on the laser. I know lots of PS2 games do this as well, I'm not sure about XBOX tho.

Everything since the dawn of the cd has practically done this.. People often wonder why psx games compress well, junk files. People wonder why ikaruga compresses from 700mb to 15mb, junk files. You see it in all console cd images and pc images alike.

As to why they fill it with junk files instead of content. Well, it's obvious, they just clearly ran out of content to add. I mean, sure, developers could go on making more and more content as much as they wanted, especially with hard drives coming out. It wouldn't be difficult to compress a game 2 times as big as say... splinter cell and have it fit onto one full dvd. But it would also take 2 times as much time to make, 2 times as much money, and not 2 times as much profit. That doesn't give them much incentive. Plus, the more you compress it down, the slower the loading. But with hard drive addons, maybe developers wouldn't worry about this as much, as they could install commonly accessed game files onto the hard drive, greatly reducing load times.

God... i got off track. Where were we?

[T.O.F.K.A.Z]

Originally Posted by Drack

I suspect that the GC mini-DVDs are DVD9, therefore your home burner would not be able to burn it correctly. I have no evidence to back this up tho, but it makes sense, if Nintendo is having trouble getting all to fit on one DVD, RE ect.

True IMO bvut they are 6 GB max :
We always say a min-dvd is 1.5 GB but that's single layered so dual layered would be 3 GB and then we have the double sided thing which IIRC also can work with dual layers so you see an absolute max would be 6 GB for a min-dvd.
I aswell have no real evidence to back this that , but being above 4.7GB makes it a dvd9 disc so you were right n your staitment (looking from a theoratical point)