Games runnable on DC emulator

navilink · May 4th, 2003

I'm only 0 seconds into Dreamcast emulation, so I don't know anything about it. However, I would like to know what good games that can be run on an DC emulators (?, ?, ?) out there. Also, can u pls suggest the HOTtest emu+plugin for DC. Thanx

**OK-OK** · May 4th, 2003

No emulator is out yet to play dc games, just get one for 50$ like i did.

Even if its out, with your pc, you might get 0.5 fps if youre lucky.

**Kane** · May 4th, 2003

Cyrus' 2.2GHz Intel gets 14FPS. That give you a good idea of what's goin on?
Icarus will not be released until the speed has been drasticly improved.

**CyRUS64** · May 4th, 2003

Less on others games, more on a v.few

navilink · May 4th, 2003

I've got another question, which one is more powerful, PS1 or DC?

**CyRUS64** · May 4th, 2003

navlink: dont you mean ps2?

Dreamcast is a nex-gen console which has many games rivalling a lot of ps2 games. It has more video ram than a ps2 and supports sensible gfx features like anti-aliasing and such - there are various comparisons around for the 2 systems. (check google)

The ps2 is accepted to have somewhat higher potential in pushing polys but it is harder for dev'rs to program for than the dreamcast... check out a game like shenmue on the dc.. its pretty cool

navilink · May 4th, 2003

sorry, i didn't know that DC is that d.a.m.n powerful than PS1, even comparable to PS2!!! well, where in field i lived on? so, it's impossible to see DC emulator in a few eons time, huh?

**Kane** · May 4th, 2003

The DC was released in, what, ~2000? The PSX in ~1995 it stands to reason it's considerably more powerful. You can see some shot from the WIP DC emulator here: http://icarus.boob.co.uk/
There is still work to do, but it will come.

**CyRUS64** · May 4th, 2003

Navlink: Currently no sound and slowww.. games range from 10-15fps at best on ~2ghz in general but some go either side of that figure

This is still with interpreter and a w.i.p dynarec with much optimization techniques yet to be done already makes a sega demo go from around 10fps to 20-30fps on my p3-850mhz..

Also the dreamcast can actually emulate a playstation, and unlike the flickering non-aliased 320x240 mess that ps1 on ps2 is, the dc makes the games run at 640x480 with FSAA

However Sony put a block to the emulator gaining much success, and they were only able to release 3 emulated games for the system - Gran Turismo 2, Metal Gear Solid, and Tekken 3 - before Sony truly killed them.

Here's some screeshots:
http://www.gamekult.com/tout/jeux/fi...reenshots.html

sonicfoot · May 4th, 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Lord Kane
The DC was released in, what, ~2000? The PSX in ~1995 it stands to reason it's considerably more powerful. You can see some shot from the WIP DC emulator here: http://icarus.boob.co.uk/
There is still work to do, but it will come.

We have had the playstation since 1995? Man, that is a long time ago.:eyes:

D.D. · May 6th, 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by CyRUS64

This is still with interpreter and a w.i.p dynarec with much optimization techniques yet to be done already makes a sega demo go from around 10fps to 20-30fps on my p3-850mhz..

Cool...guess that means that games are gonna soon run pretty well on a 2ghz, right?

Like always:

Keep up the amazing work!

**CyRUS64** · May 7th, 2003

Some games perhaps... others certainly wont

Even with dynarec you may need near-4ghz for 60fps on Jet Set Radio.

**ector** · May 7th, 2003

Jet Set Radio's real speed is 30 fps actually

**CyRUS64** · May 7th, 2003

Ector: Heh, cool

west_49 · May 8th, 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by CyRUS64
Also the dreamcast can actually emulate a playstation, and unlike the flickering non-aliased 320x240 mess that ps1 on ps2 is, the dc makes the games run at 640x480 with FSAA

However Sony put a block to the emulator gaining much success, and they were only able to release 3 emulated games for the system - Gran Turismo 2, Metal Gear Solid, and Tekken 3 - before Sony truly killed them.

Ya, i actually still own the bleemcast (software he's talking about) disc for Metal Gear solid and i remembered it looked sweet playing it on my DC. it's to bad sony shut them down cause i thought they had a good thing going and i'm sure they would of done much more games then just 3 if they were still in business.

M@tze · May 26th, 2003

why atre they allowed to have Bleem! still out and buyable?

I think one great stuff in the DC is the Texture Compression (dont know which standart) i mean Dead or Alive looked real cool on the DC on the PS2 the textures were just Pixel mess

But the screens already looks almost like the real DC
But does Icarus already use Hardware T&L or is it by Software Emulating?

**ector** · May 27th, 2003

It can't really use T&L since all transformations are done by the games themselves on the Dreamcast SH-4 CPU.

**CyRUS64** · May 27th, 2003

Ector: Well Naomi 2 has a seperate t&l chip that could be maybe hle'd but we know nothing about it whatsoever, and I dread even attempting Naomi 2

(2 pvr2s alone are off-putting!)

**ector** · May 27th, 2003

yeah, yuck

any idea how they're sharing the work? doing half of of the screen each, or having one process tristrips into tiles, while the other one is rasterizing, or something else?

May 4th, 2003	#1 (permalink)
navilink Ohana means family... Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Jalur Gemilang Posts: 352	Games runnable on DC emulator I'm only 0 seconds into Dreamcast emulation, so I don't know anything about it. However, I would like to know what good games that can be run on an DC emulators (?, ?, ?) out there. Also, can u pls suggest the HOTtest emu+plugin for DC. Thanx __________________ AMD Athlon Thunderbird 900Mhz, 192MB SDRAM PC133, 64MB GeForce4 MX440SE, DirectX9.0c, Detonator 45.23, Creative Vibra 128, Win98SE :: N64 Emulation Setup :: EMULATOR: Project64 1.6 :: GRAPHIC: Jabo D3D6 1.5 & D3D7 1.4 :: SOUND: Jabo DirectSound 1.5 :: CONTROL: N-Rage Direct-Input8 V2 1.83a :: Playstation Emulation Setup :: EMULATOR: ePSXe 1.6.0 :: GRAPHIC: Pete's D3D Driver 1.7.6 :: SOUND: Eternal SPU Plugin 1.41 :: CDROM: ePSXe CDR ASPI core 1.5.2

May 4th, 2003	#2 (permalink)
OK-OK I'm back... Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,484	No emulator is out yet to play dc games, just get one for 50$ like i did. Even if its out, with your pc, you might get 0.5 fps if youre lucky. __________________ Don't let the beautiful eyes trick you before they eat you alive.

May 4th, 2003	#3 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	Cyrus' 2.2GHz Intel gets 14FPS. That give you a good idea of what's goin on? Icarus will not be released until the speed has been drasticly improved. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

May 4th, 2003	#4 (permalink)
CyRUS64 Emu author Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 194	Less on others games, more on a v.few __________________ Boob! - Dreamcast Research and Emulators http://www.boob.co.uk Icarus - Dreamcast Emulator for x86 processors. http://icarus.boob.co.uk Visit us in #boob on efnet

May 4th, 2003	#5 (permalink)
navilink Ohana means family... Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Jalur Gemilang Posts: 352	I've got another question, which one is more powerful, PS1 or DC? __________________ AMD Athlon Thunderbird 900Mhz, 192MB SDRAM PC133, 64MB GeForce4 MX440SE, DirectX9.0c, Detonator 45.23, Creative Vibra 128, Win98SE :: N64 Emulation Setup :: EMULATOR: Project64 1.6 :: GRAPHIC: Jabo D3D6 1.5 & D3D7 1.4 :: SOUND: Jabo DirectSound 1.5 :: CONTROL: N-Rage Direct-Input8 V2 1.83a :: Playstation Emulation Setup :: EMULATOR: ePSXe 1.6.0 :: GRAPHIC: Pete's D3D Driver 1.7.6 :: SOUND: Eternal SPU Plugin 1.41 :: CDROM: ePSXe CDR ASPI core 1.5.2

May 4th, 2003	#6 (permalink)
CyRUS64 Emu author Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 194	navlink: dont you mean ps2? Dreamcast is a nex-gen console which has many games rivalling a lot of ps2 games. It has more video ram than a ps2 and supports sensible gfx features like anti-aliasing and such - there are various comparisons around for the 2 systems. (check google) The ps2 is accepted to have somewhat higher potential in pushing polys but it is harder for dev'rs to program for than the dreamcast... check out a game like shenmue on the dc.. its pretty cool __________________ Boob! - Dreamcast Research and Emulators http://www.boob.co.uk Icarus - Dreamcast Emulator for x86 processors. http://icarus.boob.co.uk Visit us in #boob on efnet

May 4th, 2003	#7 (permalink)
navilink Ohana means family... Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Jalur Gemilang Posts: 352	sorry, i didn't know that DC is that d.a.m.n powerful than PS1, even comparable to PS2!!! well, where in field i lived on? so, it's impossible to see DC emulator in a few eons time, huh? __________________ AMD Athlon Thunderbird 900Mhz, 192MB SDRAM PC133, 64MB GeForce4 MX440SE, DirectX9.0c, Detonator 45.23, Creative Vibra 128, Win98SE :: N64 Emulation Setup :: EMULATOR: Project64 1.6 :: GRAPHIC: Jabo D3D6 1.5 & D3D7 1.4 :: SOUND: Jabo DirectSound 1.5 :: CONTROL: N-Rage Direct-Input8 V2 1.83a :: Playstation Emulation Setup :: EMULATOR: ePSXe 1.6.0 :: GRAPHIC: Pete's D3D Driver 1.7.6 :: SOUND: Eternal SPU Plugin 1.41 :: CDROM: ePSXe CDR ASPI core 1.5.2

May 4th, 2003	#8 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	The DC was released in, what, ~2000? The PSX in ~1995 it stands to reason it's considerably more powerful. You can see some shot from the WIP DC emulator here: http://icarus.boob.co.uk/ There is still work to do, but it will come. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

May 4th, 2003	#9 (permalink)
CyRUS64 Emu author Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 194	Navlink: Currently no sound and slowww.. games range from 10-15fps at best on ~2ghz in general but some go either side of that figure This is still with interpreter and a w.i.p dynarec with much optimization techniques yet to be done already makes a sega demo go from around 10fps to 20-30fps on my p3-850mhz.. Also the dreamcast can actually emulate a playstation, and unlike the flickering non-aliased 320x240 mess that ps1 on ps2 is, the dc makes the games run at 640x480 with FSAA However Sony put a block to the emulator gaining much success, and they were only able to release 3 emulated games for the system - Gran Turismo 2, Metal Gear Solid, and Tekken 3 - before Sony truly killed them. Here's some screeshots: http://www.gamekult.com/tout/jeux/fi...reenshots.html __________________ Boob! - Dreamcast Research and Emulators http://www.boob.co.uk Icarus - Dreamcast Emulator for x86 processors. http://icarus.boob.co.uk Visit us in #boob on efnet Last edited by CyRUS64; May 4th, 2003 at 20:09.

May 7th, 2003	#12 (permalink)
CyRUS64 Emu author Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 194	Some games perhaps... others certainly wont Even with dynarec you may need near-4ghz for 60fps on Jet Set Radio. __________________ Boob! - Dreamcast Research and Emulators http://www.boob.co.uk Icarus - Dreamcast Emulator for x86 processors. http://icarus.boob.co.uk Visit us in #boob on efnet

May 7th, 2003	#13 (permalink)
ector Emu author Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 193	Jet Set Radio's real speed is 30 fps actually

May 7th, 2003	#14 (permalink)
CyRUS64 Emu author Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 194	Ector: Heh, cool __________________ Boob! - Dreamcast Research and Emulators http://www.boob.co.uk Icarus - Dreamcast Emulator for x86 processors. http://icarus.boob.co.uk Visit us in #boob on efnet

May 26th, 2003	#16 (permalink)
M@tze Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 28	why atre they allowed to have Bleem! still out and buyable? I think one great stuff in the DC is the Texture Compression (dont know which standart) i mean Dead or Alive looked real cool on the DC on the PS2 the textures were just Pixel mess But the screens already looks almost like the real DC But does Icarus already use Hardware T&L or is it by Software Emulating?

May 27th, 2003	#17 (permalink)
ector Emu author Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 193	It can't really use T&L since all transformations are done by the games themselves on the Dreamcast SH-4 CPU.

May 27th, 2003	#18 (permalink)
CyRUS64 Emu author Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 194	Ector: Well Naomi 2 has a seperate t&l chip that could be maybe hle'd but we know nothing about it whatsoever, and I dread even attempting Naomi 2 (2 pvr2s alone are off-putting!) __________________ Boob! - Dreamcast Research and Emulators http://www.boob.co.uk Icarus - Dreamcast Emulator for x86 processors. http://icarus.boob.co.uk Visit us in #boob on efnet

May 27th, 2003	#19 (permalink)
ector Emu author Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 193	yeah, yuck any idea how they're sharing the work? doing half of of the screen each, or having one process tristrips into tiles, while the other one is rasterizing, or something else?

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