Xbox 2 coming our way fairly soon ;)

[Ryos]

From http://www.gamers.com/news/1249841:

Sony's been burbling about PS3 for some time now, with vague promises of unimaginably complex technology -- Networked processors working in tandem? IBM supercomputer technology? Sure thing!

MS didn't make any comments on what'll be under the hood of the Xbox 3, but J Allard, their number one hardware spokesman, offered, "...we'll promise...that they won't get a head start next time. And I'll just leave it at that."

I know I'm impressed.

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[Hanamichi]

I wonder if Microsoft will dominate like Sony does now(or did) if they get a head start? The XBox really gave the Jap a bad impression of Microsoft.

[Raziel]

What m$ doesn't get is that they'll never succeed in Japan, no matter what they do.

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[Ryos]

> I wonder if Microsoft will dominate like Sony does now(or did) if they get a head start?

Not unless Microsoft has some good games that the Japanese will want. Then again, I kind of doubt it ever will. And N.U.D.E. isn't likely to save the day, even if Red Entertainment knows its stuff.

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[Shiori]

The Japanese has some weird tastes for their games, that's for sure. And if M$ isn't going to be open-minded about that, they can kiss their transpacific dreams of conquest goodbye.

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[Ninjaa]

Basically MS is confirming their intentions to accelerate the new console development period. I am not that surprised.

I just hope Nintendo sticks to their word and gives GameCube the long life it deserves.

[Exophase]

That's one good thing about Nintendo.. they've always supported their consoles a long time (well, except Virtual Boy), unlike say... Sega.

- Exo

[Ninjaa]

Well, the virtual boy was dead in a few short months. Not enough people bought it to really be upset when it died.

[OK-OK]

i really hate microsoft, ill never pay for any ms products, NEVER!

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[zukeft]

If it wasn't for Pokémon and Legend of Zelda, Nintendo would've been out of the console business long ago. And MS's hardware impact isn't as big as it's software impact. From the top of your head, the XBox is probably one of the least recognized product, at least for non-gamers and non-geeks. Sony is the new Nintendo.

*sigh* I wish that there was better console representation in South America. Maybe that could help the XBox to do better.

[Exophase]

Originally posted by Ninja
Well, the virtual boy was dead in a few short months. Not enough people bought it to really be upset when it died.

I bought it But that was when it cost $20. I RENTED it when it was alive, for nearly that much. Kinda ironic.

- Exo

[Ninjaa]

You have one??? Aww.... I had always wanted one, but I couldn't afford one when it was new (saving for N64), and when it was old, nobody was selling.

zukeft, I would check your history if I were you. Nintendo has a LOT more going for them than Zelda and Pokemon. Pokemon merely helps in selling their handhelds, but their handhelds were doing fine before Pokemon as well. As for Zelda, it's a good game, but I have to wonder at how many people bought a SNES or N64 JUST FOR Zelda. Somehow I think that number is really low.

[zukeft]

Ok, ok... Goldeneye and Perfect Dark... but losing FF to the PSX hurt them a lot.
Other games, like Banjo Kazooie and Donkey Kong 64 seemed too similar to Mario 64. What is certain is that since Nintendo appeals more to children, they'll buy their consoles. I'm not anti-Nintendo, but I certainly feel that there's a huge difference in the way the the SNES and N64 were advertised.

[Ninjaa]

Well, I don't remember any SNES advertisements.

Losing FF didn't hurt them so much as losing Dragon Quest though. Dragon Quest is the most important RPG to Nintendo, and losing Dragon Quest to PSX pretty much doomed the N64 from the get go. Final Fantasy would have just been nice. (especially in the US market)

It's true that N64 did well in large part because of Perfect Dark, Goldeneye, Mario and Zelda, but remember that those are only a portion of Nintendo's franchises. The GameCube is beginning to show signs of the resurfacing of the ones that have been forgotten about. Also, we are getting our first Fire Emblem game here in America via the GBA. That's sure to go over quite well.

[Syed Fawad]

How did Imiss this thread? XXXBOX2?

How can it survive at all? Sony not only is successfull just because of its head start but also because of its reputation fom the PS1 era. And if you ask about xXxBOX reputation, ahem.

The only thing better about XXXBOX2 will be its better hardware. Does it make a difference?

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[Exophase]

You have one??? Aww.... I had always wanted one, but I couldn't afford one when it was new (saving for N64), and when it was old, nobody was selling.

I have one and you don't.. hm, wonder if that makes me the bigger Nintendo fanboy. ^_-

zukeft, I would check your history if I were you. Nintendo has a LOT more going for them than Zelda and Pokemon. Pokemon merely helps in selling their handhelds, but their handhelds were doing fine before Pokemon as well. As for Zelda, it's a good game, but I have to wonder at how many people bought a SNES or N64 JUST FOR Zelda. Somehow I think that number is really low.

For SNES? No way. For N64? Well, I think there's a decent amount. It wouldn't be a majority or anything like that, but I just have a good feeling that it sold N64's. Certainly if it's fair to say FF7 sold PSX's, then...

- Exo

[Exophase]

Losing FF didn't hurt them so much as losing Dragon Quest though. Dragon Quest is the most important RPG to Nintendo, and losing Dragon Quest to PSX pretty much doomed the N64 from the get go. Final Fantasy would have just been nice. (especially in the US market)

Au contraire.. FF7, FF8, FF9, and FFTactics combined sold many, many more than DQ7. Actually, DQ only sold marginally more than FF8 (the top seller of the bunch), looking at worldwide sales. So DQ may have one more sales on a one to one game basis, but the fact that Square delivered many more FF games would have made a much larger impact. Plus DQ8 was released very late in the cycle; many would have bought an N64 anticipating it, but many would have held out, too. And by the time it actually came around, N64 would have already had its major RPG drought.

It's probably true that in the NES/SNES era Dragon Quest was more important, but that clearly changed in the PSX/N64 era. And this is just the Japanese market anyway, there's no doubt that no matter what system either was sold on any given FF would have done much better in the US than Dragon Warrior. After having no SNES releases stateside it simply lost most of what impact it had, and in the NES days RPGs barely had an American following anyway. DW7 was met with lukewarm reception; with a lack of a strong fanbase to begin with there weren't enough people to buy it when the reviews largely showed it to be decent at best, and it had a lot of pegs against it (very long, repetitive gameplay, relatively poor graphics, relatively weak characters and plot... in other words, it had the things that made RPGs popular in Japan, but not the things that made RPGs popular in America)

- Exo

[zukeft]

I haven't really played GC, but I can certainly say that it a stronger console than the N64 was. It's hard to say if it's in second in the big three group. I've yet to play XBox. For what it's worth, PS2 is king in this nick of the woods.

[edit] Nintendo also lost a huge amount of fans due to the fact that no RPGs were released (not that I know of and Zelda ISN'T an RPG) and no strong fighting games were ever present.

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[Ninjaa]

You live in Columbia though. Didn't you say in another thread that if there was no chance of piracy on a system, it wouldn't sell there?

I will admit that Sony still has the market in their hands, but hopefully the power will be taken from them before this generation is over. I would like to see Nintendo on top once more before I die.

Exophase, I agree with you that Zelda sold a lot of N64's, but I certainly don't think it was a majority. The point I was trying to make is that the N64 was a very weak system, with only a few of gems in the pile. Any one of the N64 greats could have sold just as many systems.

As for Dragon Quest.... When Nintendo lost Dragon Quest to Sony, all the other RPG makers followed suit. It could have been because of Final Fantasy's departure, or because of the cartridge format, but I think that Dragon Quest was a big loss. Also, the mere promise of seeing Dragon Quest when the N64 started out would have sold a LOT of N64's. You have to admit that. Dragon Quest might be fading in popularity these days with the sheer number of Final Fantasy games saturating the market, but when Square delays FF9 so that they wouldn't have to compete with DQ7, you know something's up.

In the end, I mostly agree with you, but had the N64 managed to keep the DQ franchise, I think the race between PSX and N64 wouldn't have gone so lopsided in favor of Sony as it did. Keep in mind that the Japanese public mostly shunned the N64.

[zukeft]

Originally posted by Ninja
You live in Columbia though. Didn't you say in another thread that if there was no chance of piracy on a system, it wouldn't sell there?

That's true. In fact, it's almost impossible to find legit games here. In fact, there's only one small chain of stores here who are licensed to seel PS and GC. Unfortunately you still find old PSX games here at $40.00-$50.00 which is a total ripoff. I'm like part of the 1% who has a Playstation without a modchip.