microsoft vs illegal xbox games

jegHegy · September 25th, 2002

microsoft confirmed that the new xboxes will have slight modifications in the hardware, which will reduce production costs, and prevent modchips from working. (other changes include removing the fan from the videocard, and using only a heatsink for cooling)
an australian xbox modchip site confirmed that none of the modchips work with the new xboxes. production of the enhanced (?) units already started in the chinese factory of microsoft, and soon the mexican factory will produce them also.

guess it's byebye to cdr dvdrips for new xbox owners..
i found this out at http://www.hup.hu

nyaa

edit: typos

Last edited by jegHegy; September 25th, 2002 at 12:52..

Hydra · September 25th, 2002

Hmm taking away the fan isn't good. Well at least piracy is cut down.

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caipirinha · September 25th, 2002

a geforce3 without fan, hmmmm.... :/ . oh and microsoft should explode.

Syed Fawad · September 25th, 2002

The Chasis fan is still in a good enough position to work for the GPU heatsink. As for the piracy, remember what happened with Sony.

Every new version of their PS2 had some protection against modchips, but along with consoles, modchips also develop. Soon enought there'll be new modchips. Take my word for it.

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jegHegy · September 25th, 2002

mmhmm, you're probably right

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**_E_** · September 25th, 2002

crap...............without the fan, the thing will be on fire!!

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Syed Fawad · September 25th, 2002

If you look at it in a pic, you'll clearly notice that the chasis fan is on the side of the GPU heatsink. And it doubles as a chaisis. IIRC I sy this somewhere on Tom's hardware guide.

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**_E_** · September 25th, 2002

well,. its like removing the fan from a PC!!, i mean what is an xbox?? its simply a small PC for gaming purposes!!

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Alias · September 25th, 2002

well it has been a while since the chip was developed. Maybe intel and AMD have refined the chips manufacturing which helps reduce the heat produced.

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**_E_** · September 25th, 2002

Ok,....why do you need fans,..because of the heat. why there is heat being produced? lets talk some physics,.( and i ll speak briefly) The more the circuits are longer in length, and wider in depth, the less resistance the electricty will have and the less heat will be produced. so , you ll need a fan for small chips and circuits unless the amount of electricty supplied is lowered down,.......

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Esturk · September 25th, 2002

I don't think removal of the fan is neccessary nor a good idea, but cracking down on illegal mod chipping is a good thing.

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Alias · September 25th, 2002

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Originally posted by Kingstar
Ok,....why do you need fans,..because of the heat. why there is heat being produced? lets talk some physics,.( and i ll speak briefly) The more the circuits are longer in length, and wider in depth, the less resistance the electricty will have and the less heat will be produced. so , you ll need a fan for small chips and circuits unless the amount of electricty supplied is lowered down,.......

Actually no, the longer the transistors in the chip are in length, the more power the chip will have to consume to travel throughout the long circuit lengths. Circuits wider in length and depth will actually increase the resistance because the electrons will have to travel a longer distance (there are no such things as ideal circuit traces w/o any resistance), plus there is a greater change for heat in the form of energy leakage.

With more power being used by the chip, that means more power will be released from the chip in terms of heat. To find proof of this, just compare the heat generated by a 0.18 micron p4's with the newer 0.13 micron northwoods, the heat generated is much less, as the power consumption is less. However, the northwoods actually have almost twice the amount circuitry inside.

The only other problem with creating a smaller chip is that it may have less surface area to dissapate the heat into the air. That is why intel uses a metal slug to distribute heat more readily (AMD should learn this trick).

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**_E_** · September 25th, 2002

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Originally posted by Alias

Actually no, the longer the transistors in the chip are in length, the more power the chip will have to consume to travel throughout the long circuit lengths. Circuits wider in length and depth will actually increase the resistance because the electrons will have to travel a longer distance (there are no such things as ideal circuit traces w/o any resistance), plus there is a greater change for heat in the form of energy leakage.

With more power being used by the chip, that means more power will be released from the chip in terms of heat. To find proof of this, just compare the heat generated by a 0.18 micron p4's with the newer 0.13 micron northwoods, the heat generated is much less, as the power consumption is less. However, the northwoods actually have almost twice the amount circuitry inside.

The only other problem with creating a smaller chip is that it may have less surface area to dissapate the heat into the air. That is why intel uses a metal slug to distribute heat more readily (AMD should learn this trick).

well, its been two years since i last took physics, so i might hae things mixed up or something. well, if you are quite sure about your info, then fine, i am not gonna argue with you and turn this into a scientific argument

but i do agree with you that the 0.13micro have twice circuity inside (not sure about the heat production between 0.18 and 0.13 micros though)

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Alias · September 26th, 2002

well i'm taking a circuits class rite now so i guess that's why... i dun remember physics too well either.

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Syed Fawad · September 26th, 2002

You may find this picture a little usefull. It is of the old XBOX.

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Gamer1 · September 26th, 2002

personally i'm not against piracy. but i'm against people selling pirated software and make money off it.

If there is a will... there will be a way different versions of modchips would just come (about like 3 weeks from now) to defeat the protection

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Esturk · September 26th, 2002

Selling pirated software or even hardware is a bad thing. I guess piracy itself doesn't bother me. And of course someone will always beat copy protection one way or another. You're right there will probably be a new modchip pretty soon.

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Syed Fawad · September 27th, 2002

Are there also different versions of XBOX? like PS2?

Different versions of MOBO, that is.

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jegHegy · September 27th, 2002

Syed Fawad:
well, Microsoft denied making different versions of xboxes before, but there's a factory here in Hungary which makes xboxes, and my friend works there, and he told me original xboxes were shipped with 64MB RAM, and soon they changed them to 128MB RAM. M$ r00lz

nyaa

Syed Fawad · September 27th, 2002

They changed it to 128Mb????????
Why? I don't thing it needed more, as the official XBOX Devkit games are designed with 64mb in mind.

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September 25th, 2002	#1 (permalink)
jegHegy Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Hungary Posts: 2,184	microsoft vs illegal xbox games microsoft confirmed that the new xboxes will have slight modifications in the hardware, which will reduce production costs, and prevent modchips from working. (other changes include removing the fan from the videocard, and using only a heatsink for cooling) an australian xbox modchip site confirmed that none of the modchips work with the new xboxes. production of the enhanced (?) units already started in the chinese factory of microsoft, and soon the mexican factory will produce them also. guess it's byebye to cdr dvdrips for new xbox owners.. i found this out at http://www.hup.hu nyaa edit: typos Last edited by jegHegy; September 25th, 2002 at 12:52..

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September 25th, 2002	#2 (permalink)
Hydra ???!!!???!!!?!?! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In your lunchbox. No don't open the lid! Ack the light it burns. Posts: 2,184	Hmm taking away the fan isn't good. Well at least piracy is cut down. __________________ Mobo: Asus A8V Deluxe CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3000+ RAM: 1024MB DDR400 Dual Channel Graphics: nVidia Geforce FX 6600 GT 128MB DDR3 HDD: 260GB OS: Windows XP SP2

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caipirinha Change your heart Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Brazil Posts: 1,989	a geforce3 without fan, hmmmm.... :/ . oh and microsoft should explode.

September 25th, 2002	#4 (permalink)
Syed Fawad -PM to advertise here- Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In an average country of an average planet of the solar system of an average star of an average galaxy of an average cluster. Still not average... Posts: 8,260	The Chasis fan is still in a good enough position to work for the GPU heatsink. As for the piracy, remember what happened with Sony. Every new version of their PS2 had some protection against modchips, but along with consoles, modchips also develop. Soon enought there'll be new modchips. Take my word for it. __________________ Asus K8N (nForce3) AMD64 3000+ (754) 768MB DDR 400MHz (PC 3200) nVidia Geforce 6600GT 128MB (AGP) Aquamark3 - 53,000 "Good friends mustn't always be together. It is the feeling of oneness when distant that proves a lasting friendship"

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jegHegy Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Hungary Posts: 2,184	mmhmm, you're probably right nyaa

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_E_ Lurking Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Gone Posts: 8,958	crap...............without the fan, the thing will be on fire!! __________________ -= Moral cowardice that keeps us from speaking our minds is as dangerous to this country as irresponsible talk. The right way is not always =- the popular and easy way. Standing for right when it is unpopular is a true test of moral character. Margaret C. Smith

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Syed Fawad -PM to advertise here- Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In an average country of an average planet of the solar system of an average star of an average galaxy of an average cluster. Still not average... Posts: 8,260	If you look at it in a pic, you'll clearly notice that the chasis fan is on the side of the GPU heatsink. And it doubles as a chaisis. IIRC I sy this somewhere on Tom's hardware guide. __________________ Asus K8N (nForce3) AMD64 3000+ (754) 768MB DDR 400MHz (PC 3200) nVidia Geforce 6600GT 128MB (AGP) Aquamark3 - 53,000 "Good friends mustn't always be together. It is the feeling of oneness when distant that proves a lasting friendship"

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_E_ Lurking Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Gone Posts: 8,958	well,. its like removing the fan from a PC!!, i mean what is an xbox?? its simply a small PC for gaming purposes!! __________________ -= Moral cowardice that keeps us from speaking our minds is as dangerous to this country as irresponsible talk. The right way is not always =- the popular and easy way. Standing for right when it is unpopular is a true test of moral character. Margaret C. Smith

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Alias >_< Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: East Coast, USA Posts: 924	well it has been a while since the chip was developed. Maybe intel and AMD have refined the chips manufacturing which helps reduce the heat produced. __________________ >_<

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_E_ Lurking Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Gone Posts: 8,958	Ok,....why do you need fans,..because of the heat. why there is heat being produced? lets talk some physics,.( and i ll speak briefly) The more the circuits are longer in length, and wider in depth, the less resistance the electricty will have and the less heat will be produced. so , you ll need a fan for small chips and circuits unless the amount of electricty supplied is lowered down,....... __________________ -= Moral cowardice that keeps us from speaking our minds is as dangerous to this country as irresponsible talk. The right way is not always =- the popular and easy way. Standing for right when it is unpopular is a true test of moral character. Margaret C. Smith

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Esturk Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 6,958	I don't think removal of the fan is neccessary nor a good idea, but cracking down on illegal mod chipping is a good thing. __________________ Necrosaro: Windows XP Pro x64 Edition SP2 \| Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.00GHz, 1333MHz FSB, 6MB L2 Cache \| Asus P5Q Deluxe, Intel P45 Chipset, Socket 775 \| 4GB Kingston PC5300 DDR2 \| Nvidia GeForce 8800GT, 1024MB \| Creative SB X-Fi Fatality Edition \| Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD, 150Gb, SATA, Western Digital WD5000AAKS, 500GB, SATA \| LG 16x DVD-RWx2 SATA.

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Alias >_< Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: East Coast, USA Posts: 924	well i'm taking a circuits class rite now so i guess that's why... i dun remember physics too well either. __________________ >_<

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Gamer1 Anti-Brand Loyalist Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Its too dark to tell... Posts: 3,241	personally i'm not against piracy. but i'm against people selling pirated software and make money off it. If there is a will... there will be a way different versions of modchips would just come (about like 3 weeks from now) to defeat the protection __________________ Iris: (Proc:Intel Pentium4 2.8Ghz w/ HT UNLOCKED @ 15x200) (Mobo: Asus P4C800-E) (RAM: Corsair XMS 2x512MB DDR400) (HDD 1: Seagate 80GB, 8MB Buffer, 7200 RPM) (Disk Drive 1: Lite-On 16x DVD Burner 1673S) (GFX Card: Radeon 9800 All-In-Wonder Pro 128MB) (Sound Card: Sound Blaster Audigy) Morrigan: (Proc:AMD Athlon 2500+ @ 11x200) (Mobo: Asrock K7V88) (RAM: Corsair XMS 512MB DDR400) (HDD 1: Seagate 80GB, 8MB Buffer, 7200 RPM) (Disk Drive 1: NEC 16x DVD Burner 3200AG) (GFX Card: Radeon 920064MB) (Sound Card: Sound Blaster Live! 5.1)

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Esturk Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 6,958	Selling pirated software or even hardware is a bad thing. I guess piracy itself doesn't bother me. And of course someone will always beat copy protection one way or another. You're right there will probably be a new modchip pretty soon. __________________ Necrosaro: Windows XP Pro x64 Edition SP2 \| Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.00GHz, 1333MHz FSB, 6MB L2 Cache \| Asus P5Q Deluxe, Intel P45 Chipset, Socket 775 \| 4GB Kingston PC5300 DDR2 \| Nvidia GeForce 8800GT, 1024MB \| Creative SB X-Fi Fatality Edition \| Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD, 150Gb, SATA, Western Digital WD5000AAKS, 500GB, SATA \| LG 16x DVD-RWx2 SATA.

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Syed Fawad -PM to advertise here- Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In an average country of an average planet of the solar system of an average star of an average galaxy of an average cluster. Still not average... Posts: 8,260	Are there also different versions of XBOX? like PS2? Different versions of MOBO, that is. __________________ Asus K8N (nForce3) AMD64 3000+ (754) 768MB DDR 400MHz (PC 3200) nVidia Geforce 6600GT 128MB (AGP) Aquamark3 - 53,000 "Good friends mustn't always be together. It is the feeling of oneness when distant that proves a lasting friendship"

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jegHegy Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Hungary Posts: 2,184	Syed Fawad: well, Microsoft denied making different versions of xboxes before, but there's a factory here in Hungary which makes xboxes, and my friend works there, and he told me original xboxes were shipped with 64MB RAM, and soon they changed them to 128MB RAM. M$ r00lz nyaa

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Syed Fawad -PM to advertise here- Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In an average country of an average planet of the solar system of an average star of an average galaxy of an average cluster. Still not average... Posts: 8,260	They changed it to 128Mb???????? Why? I don't thing it needed more, as the official XBOX Devkit games are designed with 64mb in mind. __________________ Asus K8N (nForce3) AMD64 3000+ (754) 768MB DDR 400MHz (PC 3200) nVidia Geforce 6600GT 128MB (AGP) Aquamark3 - 53,000 "Good friends mustn't always be together. It is the feeling of oneness when distant that proves a lasting friendship"