AMD(ATI) vs Nvidia 2007

[fivefeet8]

Originally Posted by ian209

not really.. cause ATI's HD 2900XT 1GB card comes very close to the 8800 ultra. This isn't as great as the release of the 9700

ATI Radeon HD 2900XT|DIAMOND HD 2900XT 1 GIG|Dual DVI|VIVO|PCIE

At a core clock of 743(same as x2900xt 512 meg), it's not going to be close to a 8800gtx let alone an Ultra. A x2900xt clocked at 825 mhz ony comes close to an 8800gtx, not an 8800Ultra.

In many ways, the G80 release was similar to the release of the 9700. Whether it was as great a release is a matter of opinion.

[sims]

Originally Posted by fivefeet8

ATI Radeon HD 2900XT|DIAMOND HD 2900XT 1 GIG|Dual DVI|VIVO|PCIE

At a core clock of 743(same as x2900xt 512 meg), it's not going to be close to a 8800gtx let alone an Ultra. A x2900xt clocked at 825 mhz ony comes close to an 8800gtx, not an 8800Ultra.

In many ways, the G80 release was similar to the release of the 9700. Whether it was as great a release is a matter of opinion.

That's correct, the G80 performance situation is like a mirror reflection of the ati9700, except now the winners are reserved. Remember the reason for the fx series being so pathetic was because at the time, Nvidia bought out 3dfx(hence the fx name). I guess using technology from a bankrupt company wasn't such a good idea on Nvidia's part, but at least they manage to keep the price low with those fx'es.

Now look at ATI, who was just bought out by AMD. Whether it's the combining technology with AMD's fusion technology that caused the x2900 to do so badly is anyone's guess. But it just goes to show that the product of two companies merger is not always going to perform well.

[Silenus]

That's correct, the G80 performance situation is like a mirror reflection of the ati9700, except now the winners are reserved. Remember the reason for the fx series being so pathetic was because at the time, Nvidia bought out 3dfx(hence the fx name). I guess using technology from a bankrupt company wasn't such a good idea on Nvidia's part, but at least they manage to keep the price low with those fx'es.

Thanks for the info, didn't know that Nvidia bought 3dfx.

[runawayprisoner]

Originally Posted by ian209

not really.. cause ATI's HD 2900XT 1GB card comes very close to the 8800 ultra. This isn't as great as the release of the 9700

Based on preliminary results from a benchmark that doesn't give the numbers of the card in its original clocks? Umm... it would look very legitimate to you, I guess... but not to me. How do we know the results are legit when there is no benchmark for original clocks? :/

[Cid Highwind]

Originally Posted by Silenus

Thanks for the info, didn't know that Nvidia bought 3dfx.

How else would they have been able to use the SLI name?

[liquid]

I use Linux and ATI's drivers really suck balls...

[ian209]

I've heard that ATI's drivers for linux are actually fairly good... :/

[fivefeet8]

Originally Posted by ian209

I've heard that ATI's drivers for linux are actually fairly good... :/

They're fairly good if you don't do anything with 3d.

[guest.r]

nVidia seems to neglect linux users as well, from my personal experience (shaders under linux trouble).
OTOH Amd is about to release open source linux drivers following the recent rumors which again is a sign for a change for the better.

[ultimablade]

So far my nvidia 7300 LE(old card) works fine and with each driver update gets better, my friend has a radeon 9600 but is still trying to get his motherboard to use it, i think it's a bios problem or something, anyway did amd buy ati because it was going bankrupt or just to merge for profits?

[Lyno]

ATI/AMD are still to release their top-of-the-line card the 2900XTX. Take a look at the benchmarks:

PC Magazine

Here's a article about their "secret weapon":

ATI has a secret weapon - NGOHQ.com

EDIT: no ATI werent going bankrupt, AMD saw it as a good opportunity

[ultimablade]

Bang goes my theory, wish amd bought nvidia, though i like nvidia solo as well. But you know the endless cycle right, ati brings out this mad card "secret weapon" and it is soo awesome, then nvidia comes along and then ati's card is kinda meh and then some others cards are released then it's "secret weapon time" Until one goes bakrupt or is a shadow of it's former glory. Like Sega unfortunatly

[ChankastRules]

ATI/AMD are still to release their top-of-the-line card the 2900XTX. Take a look at the benchmarks:

OOps, looks a bit fishy... some results are twice as fast as the NVIDIA 8800 GTX SLI...... hmm.. I think I'll wait on this one.

[skoreanime]

I thought AMD/ATI bowed out of the high end graphics competition. Thought the XTX isn't coming out?

[fivefeet8]

Originally Posted by Lyno

ATI/AMD are still to release their top-of-the-line card the 2900XTX. Take a look at the benchmarks:

PC Magazine

Here's a article about their "secret weapon":

ATI has a secret weapon - NGOHQ.com

EDIT: no ATI werent going bankrupt, AMD saw it as a good opportunity

Both those articles talk about the same benchmarks done by Falcon West which was little more than marketing for one of their complete systems build with a x2900xt 1gig. More reputable reviews around the web has already shown the 1 gig r600 to perform roughly the same at similar clock speeds to it's 512 meg brethen and still less than the 8800gtx/ultra in most games.

Originally Posted by skoreanime

I thought AMD/ATI bowed out of the high end graphics competition. Thought the XTX isn't coming out?

It isn't. Even the 1 gig x2900xt isn't officially released by AMD. It was given up to AIB's to decide if they wanted to slap on 1 gig GDDR4 ram on the same core and release them.

AMD employees from various sites has also been on record to state that they won't be competing at the ultra high end this round(8800gtx/ultra). With Nvidia preparing for their G9x cards in November, they should focus more on how they will compete with that than with 10 month old cards from Nvidia.

[runawayprisoner]

How can they compete with that when they can't even compete with 10-month-old cards? See what I mean?

[guest.r]

Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

How can they compete with that when they can't even compete with 10-month-old cards? See what I mean?

Sad as it sounds it's a plain good ole material battle related with manufacturing factilities, cheap labouring force and nice contracts.

When you assure that only a very bad design can spoil the profits.

[ian209]

ATI's 7.8 BETA drivers actually increase performance... A LOT. Specially with the AA performance. People have reported 500% increases with AA.

[fivefeet8]

Originally Posted by ian209

ATI's 7.8 BETA drivers actually increase performance... A LOT. Specially with the AA performance. People have reported 500% increases with AA.

I think you're alluding to posts made on some tech forums about a 500% increase in performance for enabling Adaptive AA. From what I saw, the guy was getting 5 fps in Oblivion before the beta drivers when he enabled AA + Adaptive AA. That 500% increase made his performance jump to 25 fps. AA and Adaptive AA aren't the same things.

Anyways, it was well known that x2900 cards had performance issues with Adaptive AA and it seems to be fixed in the 7.8 beta's. Nvidia's cards don't have the same issues with their Transparency AA modes and their performance with it enabled didn't dip into the single digits.

[guest.r]

Originally Posted by fivefeet8

Anyways, it was well known that x2900 cards had performance issues with Adaptive AA and it seems to be fixed in the 7.8 beta's. Nvidia's cards don't have the same issues with their Transparency AA modes and their performance with it enabled didn't dip into the single digits.

It wasn't determined if this was a permanent flaw or a temp. driver issue.
Adaptive AA is the "nice and fast meant to be used compromise" for games that aren't too demanding for the gpu chips.