AMD(ATI) vs Nvidia 2007

[D.D.]

Originally Posted by fivefeet8

I can't seem to find the option. Maybe the one of the other admins could do it.

nub.

oops this isnt the recycle bin

[fivefeet8]

Originally Posted by D.D.

nub.

oops this isnt the recycle bin

Heh. I'm not that nubish, but the option to make the poll public is not available to me.

[DJ Stenny]

Nvidia scored a headshot on ATi this year.

[philm1]

ATI is doing bad, and the streak has a big chance of going on. Nvidia keeps the huge lead.

[guest.r]

nVidia guys (fans and tech stuff) don't know how to lose and are even worse winners. History knows how to deal with such.

[skoreanime]

Originally Posted by guest.r

nVidia guys (fans and tech stuff) don't know how to lose and are even worse winners. History knows how to deal with such.

Fans? If you take a look at their market shares in the past year...Nvidia clearly put a beat down on ATI/AMD. Right now it's undisputable Nvidia is ahead of the game.

[guest.r]

Originally Posted by skoreanime

Fans? If you take a look at their market shares in the past year...Nvidia clearly put a beat down on ATI/AMD. Right now it's undisputable Nvidia is ahead of the game.

Guess they begun to worry and became laud baut that.

[skoreanime]

Originally Posted by guest.r

Guess they begun to worry and became laud baut that.

Can someone translate that for me ?

[tuanming]

Guess they begun to worry and became laud baut that.

Can someone translate that for me ?

Loud about that! Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figured that out...

[skoreanime]

Oh heh, I see.

You know guys, denial is just so...sad.

For the current moment, Nvidia has the upper hand over AMDs graphical department, ATI. Fact. I'm really impartial when it comes to between choosing between 2 major brands. The smart thing to do would be buying the one with better value, and currently that would be Nvidias product. Oh and here's the kicker, I've only owned 1 Nvidia card and the rest being ATI brand, out of 6 video cards I own/ed. So you can say I favour ATI slightly over Nvidia, but right now, if I HAD to choose, at this very second, it would be Nvidia, hands down.

And tell me guest.r, if the situation was reversed right now, would you be saying the same things? Instead of "nVidia guys (fans and tech stuff) don't know how to lose and are even worse winners. History knows how to deal with such.", it would be "ATI guys (fans and tech stuff) don't know how to lose and are even worse winners. History knows how to deal with such."?

[guest.r]

Example...3DFx didn't know how to win (they could) and how to lose correctly.
Ati "lost" quite nice to AMD.
And Ati isn't that desperate. They supply nice gfx. chips for XBOX360 and Wii.
Summing theese into the final count (and RSX chips for nVidia) could display a different big picture.

[firyace]

Had to vote ati because I just bought ATI. I was planning to buy the 8800GTS, but it can't stuff it inside the confined sff case, likewise the power it needs from my puny 500W PSU, and 8600 sux.

[skoreanime]

Originally Posted by guest.r

Example...3DFx didn't know how to win (they could) and how to lose correctly.
Ati "lost" quite nice to AMD.
And Ati isn't that desperate. They supply nice gfx. chips for XBOX360 and Wii.
Summing theese into the final count (and RSX chips for nVidia) could display a different big picture.

Still didn't answer my question. You really like to steer off topic with posts that have nothing to do with what I've asked. When did I say ATI is desperate? All you're doing is throwing out some good things about ATI, like them supplying chips for some consoles. You really are in denial.

Nvidia is a step ahead of ATI. Intels a huge step ahead of AMD. And since AMD owns ATI, they fund all their resources. And AMDs lost billions by purchasing ATI and by having their share of the CPU market ravaged by Intel. Both Intel and Nvidia have a huge amount of money now to put towards R&R. Got to spend money to make money, and right now, AMD/ATI are on the verge of losing a lot more.

[ian209]

Originally Posted by skoreanime

Still didn't answer my question. You really like to steer off topic with posts that have nothing to do with what I've asked. When did I say ATI is desperate? All you're doing is throwing out some good things about ATI, like them supplying chips for some consoles. You really are in denial.

Nvidia is a step ahead of ATI. Intels a huge step ahead of AMD. And since AMD owns ATI, they fund all their resources. And AMDs lost billions by purchasing ATI and by having their share of the CPU market ravaged by Intel. Both Intel and Nvidia have a huge amount of money now to put towards R&R. Got to spend money to make money, and right now, AMD/ATI are on the verge of losing a lot more.

I'd hate to say, but I think ure right. AMD and ATI are starting to lose it. Thats y I like to support AMD/ATI and purchase their products more than intel/nvidia. All the last rigs I've built for friends have been AMD/ATI combo. Can u imagine if AMD/ATI went out of buisness? I mean, we'd be stuck at the same level of compuing technology for years on. I'm just hoping that doesn't happen. Also, ATi isn't really a step behind. Nvidia is a step ahead in speed, but ATi is the best in terms of image quality, which IMO, makes em more preferable. However, ATI rushed to release their new R600 and ended up with a card less decent then expected. My saying is "Take 2 steps at a time and u have a higher chance of tumbling. Take it a step at a time and u will be rewarded." Ati decided to take it 2 steps at a time i guess... I just hope they can pull it up. Besides its OK if they are late in releasing the HD 2900XTX cause, DX10 hasn't even become popular yet. I'd bet if they were to take their time into making an awesome card, they would do well again.

[Balthazard]

Originally Posted by ian209

I'd bet if they were to take their time into making an awesome card, they would do well again.

You know I agree with you and skoreanime.
But Ian209 If AMD(ati) keeps waiting it will stay behind of Nvidia.
What they need to do is to release a awsome card. Before they lose total sight of NV

[fivefeet8]

Originally Posted by ian209

but ATi is the best in terms of image quality, which IMO, makes em more preferable.

IQ comparisons is subjective to say the least. What can be objectively qualified is that the G8x's less invariant AF is better.

[runawayprisoner]

Originally Posted by ian209

Also, ATi isn't really a step behind. Nvidia is a step ahead in speed, but ATi is the best in terms of image quality, which IMO, makes em more preferable.

Yeah... but that's only true in the case of the X19xx series. Aside from those, none other have ever beaten nVidia in terms of performance and image quality.

However, ATI rushed to release their new R600 and ended up with a card less decent then expected.

They should've released this one 7 months ago... but they didn't. They had to release something now, or nVidia will dominate the whole market. However, the R600 is still not ready even after 7 months. It could be because the G80's are too good... or it could be because of the mess that happened when ATI was bought into AMD... no one knows. One thing is for sure: ATI didn't rush their R600, they should have released it 7 months ago, and it's now a disaster to them.

Besides its OK if they are late in releasing the HD 2900XTX cause, DX10 hasn't even become popular yet. I'd bet if they were to take their time into making an awesome card, they would do well again.

According to some early benchmarks, the 2900XTX was delayed because it offered very little performance improvement over the XT... while the price is blatantly higher. You could blame premature drivers for that... but thing is... they had over half a year to develop decent drivers for the card, and they still can't. They really had all of the technology to do all that they're doing now one year ago... when the XBox360 came out... but they were too deep in the celebration of their first ever victory over nVidia (X19xx beat 79xx) that they lost track of time and reality... and they let nVidia take the initiative with the 8800 series. Even when the XTX comes out, ATI still needs to come up with a solution for a rival of the 8800 Ultra... which performs almost 1.5 times better than the GTX... which is outperforming the 2900XT by a factor of 1.3 in average.

[Cid Highwind]

Originally Posted by fivefeet8

IQ comparisons is subjective to say the least. What can be objectively qualified is that the G8x's less invariant AF is better.

Of course there will be people who prefer a slightly more blurred view. But when it comes to textures the winner is the card which can provide the most crisp textures that will stay sharp at every angle and as far in the distance as possible, without showing any shimmering or other artifacts.

I don't think it's subjective if you look at things from a slight technical pov

The one IQ comparison I have seen clearly showed that I would personally pick an nVidia card over ATi right now.

[ChankastRules]

Well, it was as I predicted in another thread sometime ago... guess we know what AMD/ATI has been doing! A new proccesor from AMD will have BUILT in graphics components... NO not like INTELL's integrated graphics... it is BUILT into the proccesor. Very very interesting... if they can do this the right way... everything could become a lot more effecient! These days splitting all memoery and CPU and GPU with a lot of busses doesn't make much sense since the GPU can help a lot in float ops.. and the CPU idle time can be used to help GPU etc...

[ian209]

Originally Posted by Cid Highwind

Of course there will be people who prefer a slightly more blurred view. But when it comes to textures the winner is the card which can provide the most crisp textures that will stay sharp at every angle and as far in the distance as possible, without showing any shimmering or other artifacts.

I don't think it's subjective if you look at things from a slight technical pov

The one IQ comparison I have seen clearly showed that I would personally pick an nVidia card over ATi right now.

yea Ure right actually. The G 7X00 series have really blurry image compared to teh X1X00 series. I guess its preference. I normally love the sharper edges and all a lot better. Well, I will personally stick with ATI since they need the support, and most the majority are with nvidia.