A few questions

November 17th, 2001

I have heard that upgrading memory will improve pc performance. if i were to install a 256 mb stick of memory would that make a noticeable difference over my current configuration?also is it ok to have 2 different brands of memory? i dunno what my 64mb stick brand is but the 256 i want is from crucial.

My cpus config is as follows
AMD K6-2 ~500mhz
56 MB 100 mhz SDRAM
Trident Blade 3D MVP 4 8MB Shared
Windows 98SE

JAZ · November 17th, 2001

Yes it would make a great improvement and you should be able to run the other 64 with it..

November 17th, 2001

ok thanks for the info..and the speedy reply

gerbilcannon · November 17th, 2001

If he has the slots for it (which he probably does) and it also depends upon the quality of the 64 meg stick. If the timing is different for it and it can't handle the timing of the 256 then his system may not boot or will become unstable. But it is worth trying out to find out though, and you won't do any harm to your system.

**Betamax** · November 17th, 2001

Well I'm the ultimate mix and matcher. This machine has 320 mb (1x 256 and 2x 32) and the other has 160 (2x 64 and 2x 16 simms) so I can pretty much say that you should have too many problems. Even if you 64mb chip doesn't work with it you can get ram so cheaply nowadays that another 256 chip wouldn't break the bank.

November 17th, 2001

my cpu has 2 slots and can hold 512mb max. and the brand of ram im getting is crucial which is highly recommeded for my system (its a compaq 7462 and im hoping i can improve it by adding a a** load of ram to it.)btw thx everyone for your input

Gk1986 · November 18th, 2001

I have two 256. It will make a difference

**fivefeet8** · November 18th, 2001

It make a huge difference upgrading from 32, 64, or 128 megs of ram.. But when you start upgrading from 256 megs to 768 megs.. The difference is discernable.. I did notice Quake3 runs a little better when I upgraded from 256 megs to 768 megs though..

YOu better make sure your mobo supports the type of ram you are buying too.. There is PC100 which mostly all motherboards support and PC133.. Has anyone tried running PC133 on a mobo which only supports PC100? Does it work? I haven't tried it myself..

ebola · November 19th, 2001

I have a gig of ram. Its nice.

If your running windows 95 or 98 then don't get more than 512 because it these flavors of windows do not like over 512 megs of ram.

and fivefeet8. pc133 will work in any board that supports dimms. it will just run at 100mhz if that what your fsb is set to.

a few things people mess up. ecc and non ecc will not work together. then there are a few issues with double sided dimms. mostly problems with old ram and the early 256 and 512 meg dimms.

some ddr boards need registered ram if you want to run the max amount of ram.

**fivefeet8** · November 19th, 2001

That's weird.. I have 768 megs of pc150 sdr ram and it workd correctly in win98se.. It shows up correctly in my computer properties too.. Sometimes Ram doesn't run at the same speed your FSB is running at.. My ram is running at 133 mhz while my FSB is running at 100 mhz ddr to 200 mhz..

November 29th, 2001

ok well i got another question, but this one's about networking.
I read in a article that you can network any 2cpus without using a hub/router.anyway if thats true, and i want both cpu on one internet connection, do i have to have some type of software like wingate?also if they can share one account how does the 2nd cpu (the one not using a modem) use the internet?

**Betamax** · November 29th, 2001

Yes that is correct. Basically there is a couple of methods of doing this in order of expense (cheapest first):

1) Buy 2 network cards and a crossover cable.

2)Buy 2 phone ethernet cards and use your home phone wiring (yes you can still access the net whilst the network is going as it uses a different carrier)

3)Buy 2 wireless networking cards

Most likely you'll want to go for option 1) however if the computers are over a certain distance apart (can't remember exact figure) this doesn't work. If this is the case and both machines are near a phone socket option 2 is the best bet. Last resort would be the wirless one.

In order to share an internet connection you'll need an ics program. If you have Win ME/2K/XP then you already have one built into the OS. If you have Win 98 then you'll have to get wingate. That said it costs $70 so it might be more sensible to upgrade the OS instead.

Yes they both use the same isp account. It works by having one machine (the one with the modem) act as a server for the other machine. Putting it more simply the second machine treats the first one as if it is an isp.

Tenchi Muyou · November 30th, 2001

I had that first option here and it done fine... (now i have more than 2 computers so i cant have a cross over cable, but a hub)...

About the distance, you can make a cable up to 100 meters... so distance shouldnt be a matter... more than that you will have to put some repeater....

My config some time ago was Windows 98 + Syacess from Sybergen... its a quite easy setup, you just choose the connection you want to use, turn on the built-in dhcp server and it does most of the job for you. Being a program that uses NAT instead of Proxying u shouldnt need to configure the "client" computer at all.

[]s

Tenchi Muyou

December 10th, 2001

Originally posted by Betamax: In order to share an internet connection you'll need an ics program Well wouldnt the ics program in win98se work? i found it under the internet tools in the add/remove programs section

**Betamax** · December 10th, 2001

Its been a while since I used '98 but I don't recall there being on built in. But if you have found one I must have been mistaken.

**kairi00** · December 10th, 2001

Win98 doesn't have ICS, however, Win98SE has ICS... just to clarify

Sylvan Sorrow · December 10th, 2001

Yeah, I have 640 megs of RAM, and it made a huge difference in windows 98 when I added a 512 meg piece to my existing 128megs, its nice, and RAM is so cheap today.

December 10th, 2001

now i aint gonna have to dish out 70 bucks when i get new cpu..lol well i cant test the ics program since i dont have a nic yet, but i think it will work ok.

robi_wan_kenobi · December 12th, 2001

If you are considering sharing an ADSL conection go for a switching hub ENCORE 908+ is really cheap and it is a kicking ass mini-switch, read the product specs in www.encore-usa.com and you will see. Anyway it gives the flexibility of mking a "party" with 5 more computers

when you want to.
But if the case is a modem sahring try Wingate or the Win98SE like Shiori said.

November 17th, 2001	#1 (permalink)
bahamut_2006 Guest Posts: n/a	A few questions I have heard that upgrading memory will improve pc performance. if i were to install a 256 mb stick of memory would that make a noticeable difference over my current configuration?also is it ok to have 2 different brands of memory? i dunno what my 64mb stick brand is but the 256 i want is from crucial. My cpus config is as follows AMD K6-2 ~500mhz 56 MB 100 mhz SDRAM Trident Blade 3D MVP 4 8MB Shared Windows 98SE

November 17th, 2001	#4 (permalink)
gerbilcannon The Pretty One Join Date: May 2001 Location: Collegedale, TN Posts: 1,247	If he has the slots for it (which he probably does) and it also depends upon the quality of the 64 meg stick. If the timing is different for it and it can't handle the timing of the 256 then his system may not boot or will become unstable. But it is worth trying out to find out though, and you won't do any harm to your system. __________________ "Me? I'm a pop idol." "And you will shed tears of scarlet!"

November 17th, 2001	#5 (permalink)
Betamax Resident Movie Critic Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland Posts: 9,480	Well I'm the ultimate mix and matcher. This machine has 320 mb (1x 256 and 2x 32) and the other has 160 (2x 64 and 2x 16 simms) so I can pretty much say that you should have too many problems. Even if you 64mb chip doesn't work with it you can get ram so cheaply nowadays that another 256 chip wouldn't break the bank. __________________ Superior marketing of an inferior product will always win over inferior marketing of a superior product.

November 18th, 2001	#8 (permalink)
fivefeet8 &-)---\|--< Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Smallville Posts: 7,577	It make a huge difference upgrading from 32, 64, or 128 megs of ram.. But when you start upgrading from 256 megs to 768 megs.. The difference is discernable.. I did notice Quake3 runs a little better when I upgraded from 256 megs to 768 megs though.. YOu better make sure your mobo supports the type of ram you are buying too.. There is PC100 which mostly all motherboards support and PC133.. Has anyone tried running PC133 on a mobo which only supports PC100? Does it work? I haven't tried it myself.. __________________ Play emulated games online Main Rig\|\|Intel Q6600@3.2 ghertz\|4x1gb DDR2 1066\|Asrock 1600sli 110db LGA 775\|EVGA 8800gtx@620/1450/975\|2x Seagate 160gb SATA150 Raid0\|250 gb Samsung SATA2 HD\|Seagate 7000.10 500gb HD\|NEC 3520 4x/8x DVD+R/RW DL burner\|Antec TP 650 watt\|40" Sony Bravia 1080p\|20.1" 5ms LCD 1680x1050 Native\|Logitec 5.1 Speaker System w/15" Sub\|Dual Boot Winows XP Pro/Vista 64bit\|\| 2nd Rig\|\|Athlon64 x2 3800+\|2x1 gig PC3200\|BFG Geforce 6800 Ultra OC @450/1250 agp\|60 gig Maxtor IDE HD 7200 RPM\|40 gig Maxtor IDE HD\|Asrock Dual SATA2\|Silver Aluminum ATX\|17" LCD\|\| 3rd Rig\|\|Athlon Xp 2800+\|1.5 gig PC2700\|BFG GeforceFx 5900 Ultra OC agp\|100 gig Maxtor SATA HD\|NF7-s rev2.0\|Nvidia Soundstorm MCP\|19" CRT\|\|

November 19th, 2001	#9 (permalink)
ebola Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Chanhassen, MN Posts: 900	I have a gig of ram. Its nice. If your running windows 95 or 98 then don't get more than 512 because it these flavors of windows do not like over 512 megs of ram. and fivefeet8. pc133 will work in any board that supports dimms. it will just run at 100mhz if that what your fsb is set to. a few things people mess up. ecc and non ecc will not work together. then there are a few issues with double sided dimms. mostly problems with old ram and the early 256 and 512 meg dimms. some ddr boards need registered ram if you want to run the max amount of ram. Last edited by ebola; November 19th, 2001 at 00:58.

November 17th, 2001	#2 (permalink)
JAZ Nintendo Zealot Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: UK Posts: 1,424	Yes it would make a great improvement and you should be able to run the other 64 with it..

November 17th, 2001	#3 (permalink)
bahamut_2006 Guest Posts: n/a	ok thanks for the info..and the speedy reply

November 17th, 2001	#6 (permalink)
bahamut_2006 Guest Posts: n/a	my cpu has 2 slots and can hold 512mb max. and the brand of ram im getting is crucial which is highly recommeded for my system (its a compaq 7462 and im hoping i can improve it by adding a a** load of ram to it.)btw thx everyone for your input

November 18th, 2001	#7 (permalink)
Gk1986 Bringer Of Destruction Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,716	I have two 256. It will make a difference

November 19th, 2001	#10 (permalink)
fivefeet8 &-)---\|--< Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Smallville Posts: 7,577	That's weird.. I have 768 megs of pc150 sdr ram and it workd correctly in win98se.. It shows up correctly in my computer properties too.. Sometimes Ram doesn't run at the same speed your FSB is running at.. My ram is running at 133 mhz while my FSB is running at 100 mhz ddr to 200 mhz.. __________________ Play emulated games online Main Rig\|\|Intel Q6600@3.2 ghertz\|4x1gb DDR2 1066\|Asrock 1600sli 110db LGA 775\|EVGA 8800gtx@620/1450/975\|2x Seagate 160gb SATA150 Raid0\|250 gb Samsung SATA2 HD\|Seagate 7000.10 500gb HD\|NEC 3520 4x/8x DVD+R/RW DL burner\|Antec TP 650 watt\|40" Sony Bravia 1080p\|20.1" 5ms LCD 1680x1050 Native\|Logitec 5.1 Speaker System w/15" Sub\|Dual Boot Winows XP Pro/Vista 64bit\|\| 2nd Rig\|\|Athlon64 x2 3800+\|2x1 gig PC3200\|BFG Geforce 6800 Ultra OC @450/1250 agp\|60 gig Maxtor IDE HD 7200 RPM\|40 gig Maxtor IDE HD\|Asrock Dual SATA2\|Silver Aluminum ATX\|17" LCD\|\| 3rd Rig\|\|Athlon Xp 2800+\|1.5 gig PC2700\|BFG GeforceFx 5900 Ultra OC agp\|100 gig Maxtor SATA HD\|NF7-s rev2.0\|Nvidia Soundstorm MCP\|19" CRT\|\|

November 29th, 2001	#11 (permalink)
bahamut_2006 Guest Posts: n/a	ok well i got another question, but this one's about networking. I read in a article that you can network any 2cpus without using a hub/router.anyway if thats true, and i want both cpu on one internet connection, do i have to have some type of software like wingate?also if they can share one account how does the 2nd cpu (the one not using a modem) use the internet?

November 29th, 2001	#12 (permalink)
Betamax Resident Movie Critic Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland Posts: 9,480	Yes that is correct. Basically there is a couple of methods of doing this in order of expense (cheapest first): 1) Buy 2 network cards and a crossover cable. 2)Buy 2 phone ethernet cards and use your home phone wiring (yes you can still access the net whilst the network is going as it uses a different carrier) 3)Buy 2 wireless networking cards Most likely you'll want to go for option 1) however if the computers are over a certain distance apart (can't remember exact figure) this doesn't work. If this is the case and both machines are near a phone socket option 2 is the best bet. Last resort would be the wirless one. In order to share an internet connection you'll need an ics program. If you have Win ME/2K/XP then you already have one built into the OS. If you have Win 98 then you'll have to get wingate. That said it costs $70 so it might be more sensible to upgrade the OS instead. Yes they both use the same isp account. It works by having one machine (the one with the modem) act as a server for the other machine. Putting it more simply the second machine treats the first one as if it is an isp. __________________ Superior marketing of an inferior product will always win over inferior marketing of a superior product.

November 30th, 2001	#13 (permalink)
Tenchi Muyou Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro Posts: 38	I had that first option here and it done fine... (now i have more than 2 computers so i cant have a cross over cable, but a hub)... About the distance, you can make a cable up to 100 meters... so distance shouldnt be a matter... more than that you will have to put some repeater.... My config some time ago was Windows 98 + Syacess from Sybergen... its a quite easy setup, you just choose the connection you want to use, turn on the built-in dhcp server and it does most of the job for you. Being a program that uses NAT instead of Proxying u shouldnt need to configure the "client" computer at all. []s Tenchi Muyou

December 10th, 2001	#14 (permalink)
bahamut_2006 Guest Posts: n/a	Originally posted by Betamax: In order to share an internet connection you'll need an ics program Well wouldnt the ics program in win98se work? i found it under the internet tools in the add/remove programs section

December 10th, 2001	#15 (permalink)
Betamax Resident Movie Critic Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland Posts: 9,480	Its been a while since I used '98 but I don't recall there being on built in. But if you have found one I must have been mistaken. __________________ Superior marketing of an inferior product will always win over inferior marketing of a superior product. Last edited by Betamax; December 10th, 2001 at 01:23.

December 10th, 2001	#17 (permalink)
Sylvan Sorrow The weeping forest Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: not sure, lost Posts: 1,083	Yeah, I have 640 megs of RAM, and it made a huge difference in windows 98 when I added a 512 meg piece to my existing 128megs, its nice, and RAM is so cheap today. __________________ "Death isn't the handicap it used to be" -Lister, "Red Dwarf" "I can live through anything, even death, but Ill never get out of life alive." Thanks to Philia for her really talented drawing of Cecil (past avatar), vister her art thread Here Check out www.slightlydark.com good non-liscenced game music. formerly known as Ryoga.

December 10th, 2001	#16 (permalink)
kairi00 Puchiko-nyu! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 49° 11' N 123° 10' W Posts: 2,854	Win98 doesn't have ICS, however, Win98SE has ICS... just to clarify __________________ "Not every ejaculation deserves a name." --- George Carlin

December 10th, 2001	#18 (permalink)
bahamut_2006 Guest Posts: n/a	thats good.. now i aint gonna have to dish out 70 bucks when i get new cpu..lol well i cant test the ics program since i dont have a nic yet, but i think it will work ok.

December 12th, 2001	#19 (permalink)
robi_wan_kenobi Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Campinas-Brazil Posts: 69	If you are considering sharing an ADSL conection go for a switching hub ENCORE 908+ is really cheap and it is a kicking ass mini-switch, read the product specs in www.encore-usa.com and you will see. Anyway it gives the flexibility of mking a "party" with 5 more computers when you want to. But if the case is a modem sahring try Wingate or the Win98SE like Shiori said. Last edited by robi_wan_kenobi; December 12th, 2001 at 11:59.

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