I tought I would never ask this but is my video card dead?

Player-X · August 9th, 2005

The FEAR SP demo and another game called Act Of War seems to show artifacts after a while of gameplay including a messed up menu when I press esc so far this is the only picture I managed to capture

The wierd thing here is that the artifacts don't show up on GTA:SA and Mech Commander2 also My video card is running stock, the problems show up when I use both the 5.7 cat drivers and the 5.7 omega drivers

I am just wondering if I shoud send it in for warranty

bahamut_2006 · August 9th, 2005

What ATi card are you using? I think this is a problem possibly with the card overheating, even if you are running it at stock speeds, because artifacts to my knowledge are usually caused by cards that are oc'ed to far and either overheat or simply can't handle the speed. You can try running those games in lower detail or use a older driver to see if that fixes the problem.
edit: another good idea is to make sure the card's fan is working properly, if you already haven't checked that.

**cooliscool** · August 9th, 2005

Yeah, if you're using stock cooling on your 9800 Pro, you'e bound to encounter artifacts, even at stock.. I got a vf700-alcu and I haven't seen a single artifact.

Player-X · August 9th, 2005

The video card is runing stock and the artifacts can sometimes be predictably made, in Act Of War it only occurs after 30 seconds of starting and won't occur in windowed mode but will start again in full screen mode, in FEAR the artifacts sometimes appears in the same places in the same form

Alias · August 10th, 2005

try running with your computer's cover off (perhaps shoving a fan to blow into your comp) to see if that solves it?

although artifacts appearing in the same form is kinda weird... most heat artifacts are small blocks (usually pixel-sized) flickering. And i don't think heat artifacts are contained only to certain textures (as the floor in your screenshot is).

I can't believe i'm suggesting this, but are your DX drivers updated?

Player-X · August 10th, 2005

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I can't believe i'm suggesting this, but are your DX drivers updated?

yes they are
it's wierd as the water also reflects the same texture

dpence · August 10th, 2005

hmmm.... I would try running an older version the drivers... THAT to ME looks like a driver memory managment issue... Doesn't look like any dying card I have seen....dying cards don't care where they give glitch's...those seem to be texture specific....as in missing texture or misaligned look up table

Player-X · August 10th, 2005

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hmmm.... I would try running an older version the drivers... THAT to ME looks like a driver memory managment issue... Doesn't look like any dying card I have seen....dying cards don't care where they give glitch's...those seem to be texture specific....as in missing texture or misaligned look up table

Basicly you mean maybe the 5.7 drivers (Both ATI and Omega) have issues with my card right??

Alias · August 10th, 2005

i second that. It really sounds like a driver issue, as the glitches are texture specific. You mentioned that it messes up on water too, so I'm thinking it's something to do with the pixel shaders.

Kazuya Mishima · August 10th, 2005

It happened to me a while ago while playing mgs pc. Every single time i played it the game would corrupt after 30 seconds of play no matter where i was. I had to reinstall directx in order to get it fixed but as cooliscool adviced, a 9800 pro wll show artifacts in graphic intensive games with stock cooling. Try using another cooling solution and see.

RF · August 10th, 2005

Well, before tearing apart your card you can downclock it. Get ATiTool and lower the clock speeds on both your core and memory by about 10mhz on your memory, and about 50mhz on your core. That will hurt performance alot, but it will help you diagnose your problem.

Player-X · August 10th, 2005

It was the memory managements "improvements" in the 5.7 drivers causing trouble on both the cat and omega drivers, I am now using the 5.6 drivers again

dpence · August 10th, 2005

I like being right :P
lol

**cooliscool** · August 10th, 2005

Strange, with my 9800 Pro the 5.7, both official and Omega, have been fine.

Player-X · August 10th, 2005

You have the 256mb model right, mine is 128mb, maybe that's part of the cause of the problem

D.D. · August 10th, 2005

mine is 128meg and its fine as far as i can tell >_> tho ive only played CS source lately.

Mr. Killjoy · August 10th, 2005

Try alternate drivers, my 9800 displayed lots of artifacts on 3Dmark 2k5 and HL2 until I switched to Omega (not even a clean install made them work with Cats)

Player-X · August 10th, 2005

I am using the omega 5.6 drivers as the 5.7 version also has issues

Mr. Killjoy · August 10th, 2005

So I guess you'll just have to RMA it, like most of the gamers with good cards

**cooliscool** · August 10th, 2005

Mine's a 128MB/256-bit card Player-X, and I've not a single issue with the 5.7s.

August 9th, 2005	#2 (permalink)
bahamut_2006 AMD Join Date: May 2002 Location: Iredell, Texas, USA Posts: 779	What ATi card are you using? I think this is a problem possibly with the card overheating, even if you are running it at stock speeds, because artifacts to my knowledge are usually caused by cards that are oc'ed to far and either overheat or simply can't handle the speed. You can try running those games in lower detail or use a older driver to see if that fixes the problem. edit: another good idea is to make sure the card's fan is working properly, if you already haven't checked that. __________________ Primary rig: AMD Athlon 64 3700 (2.2 Ghz) San Diego core\|2 GB Corsair DDR 400 ram\|ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe mobo\|512 MB eVGA GeForce 7950GT\|Primary HD: 300 GB Maxtor\| Secondary HD 200 GB Western Digital HD\|Aspire X-Dreamer II case w/550w Antec PSU\|Sony DVD-Rom\|Sony DVD-RW\|19" Sceptre LCD\|4.1 Surround Sound\|Runnin on Windows XP Pro SP2

August 9th, 2005	#3 (permalink)
cooliscool Natural medicine Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Redmond, Washington, USA Posts: 6,150	Yeah, if you're using stock cooling on your 9800 Pro, you'e bound to encounter artifacts, even at stock.. I got a vf700-alcu and I haven't seen a single artifact. __________________ Fayt : Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8GHz @ 3.0GHz [Allendale] (1333MHz FSB), 2GB Crucial DDR2-800 Dual Channel kit @ 800MHz 4-3-3-10, 512MB BFG nVidia GeForce 7950GT OC (650/1600), Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS, MSI P6N-SLi nVidia 650i (crap OCer), 200GB Seagate Barracuda 8MB Cache 7200RPM SATA2 (NCQ), 80GB Seagate Barracuda 8MB Cache 7200RPM SATA2 (NCQ), Lite-On DVD+-RW 16x w/ Lightscribe, Lite-On 16x DVD-ROM, Aspire X-Dreamer II case, Logitech MX518 GG Optical Mouse, Asetek Waterchill kit (distilled water + Red Line Water Wetter), T.I.M - Arctic Silver Ceramique

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Player-X Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: From Kuching in Malaysia now stuck in Houston Texas Posts: 9,110	The video card is runing stock and the artifacts can sometimes be predictably made, in Act Of War it only occurs after 30 seconds of starting and won't occur in windowed mode but will start again in full screen mode, in FEAR the artifacts sometimes appears in the same places in the same form Last edited by Player-X; August 9th, 2005 at 22:56.

August 10th, 2005	#5 (permalink)
Alias >_< Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: East Coast, USA Posts: 924	try running with your computer's cover off (perhaps shoving a fan to blow into your comp) to see if that solves it? although artifacts appearing in the same form is kinda weird... most heat artifacts are small blocks (usually pixel-sized) flickering. And i don't think heat artifacts are contained only to certain textures (as the floor in your screenshot is). I can't believe i'm suggesting this, but are your DX drivers updated? __________________ >_<

August 10th, 2005	#9 (permalink)
Alias >_< Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: East Coast, USA Posts: 924	i second that. It really sounds like a driver issue, as the glitches are texture specific. You mentioned that it messes up on water too, so I'm thinking it's something to do with the pixel shaders. __________________ >_<

August 10th, 2005	#7 (permalink)
dpence Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: USA Posts: 1,119	hmmm.... I would try running an older version the drivers... THAT to ME looks like a driver memory managment issue... Doesn't look like any dying card I have seen....dying cards don't care where they give glitch's...those seem to be texture specific....as in missing texture or misaligned look up table

August 10th, 2005	#10 (permalink)
Kazuya Mishima The seeker of perfection Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Suing somebody Posts: 3,056	It happened to me a while ago while playing mgs pc. Every single time i played it the game would corrupt after 30 seconds of play no matter where i was. I had to reinstall directx in order to get it fixed but as cooliscool adviced, a 9800 pro wll show artifacts in graphic intensive games with stock cooling. Try using another cooling solution and see. __________________ Visit my blog in Spanish: http://andreyirra.blogspot.com

August 10th, 2005	#11 (permalink)
RF Canadian Spaceman Join Date: May 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,594	Well, before tearing apart your card you can downclock it. Get ATiTool and lower the clock speeds on both your core and memory by about 10mhz on your memory, and about 50mhz on your core. That will hurt performance alot, but it will help you diagnose your problem. __________________

August 10th, 2005	#12 (permalink)
Player-X Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: From Kuching in Malaysia now stuck in Houston Texas Posts: 9,110	It was the memory managements "improvements" in the 5.7 drivers causing trouble on both the cat and omega drivers, I am now using the 5.6 drivers again

August 10th, 2005	#13 (permalink)
dpence Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: USA Posts: 1,119	I like being right :P lol

August 10th, 2005	#14 (permalink)
cooliscool Natural medicine Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Redmond, Washington, USA Posts: 6,150	Strange, with my 9800 Pro the 5.7, both official and Omega, have been fine. __________________ Fayt : Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8GHz @ 3.0GHz [Allendale] (1333MHz FSB), 2GB Crucial DDR2-800 Dual Channel kit @ 800MHz 4-3-3-10, 512MB BFG nVidia GeForce 7950GT OC (650/1600), Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS, MSI P6N-SLi nVidia 650i (crap OCer), 200GB Seagate Barracuda 8MB Cache 7200RPM SATA2 (NCQ), 80GB Seagate Barracuda 8MB Cache 7200RPM SATA2 (NCQ), Lite-On DVD+-RW 16x w/ Lightscribe, Lite-On 16x DVD-ROM, Aspire X-Dreamer II case, Logitech MX518 GG Optical Mouse, Asetek Waterchill kit (distilled water + Red Line Water Wetter), T.I.M - Arctic Silver Ceramique

August 10th, 2005	#15 (permalink)
Player-X Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: From Kuching in Malaysia now stuck in Houston Texas Posts: 9,110	You have the 256mb model right, mine is 128mb, maybe that's part of the cause of the problem

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D.D. band Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HERE Posts: 4,574	mine is 128meg and its fine as far as i can tell >_> tho ive only played CS source lately. __________________ 1. Small, Cheap, Powerful - you can have only two 2. Everytime you engineer something foolproof, the world comes up with a better idiot. 3. 「学問とは虚栄である。」 The PS3 Cell Processor Explained Page, IBM Research's Introduction to Cell Multiprocessor and Cell Processor Programming Guide

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Mr. Killjoy [Suggest a custom title] Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Somewhere I don't belong (La Rochelle, France) Posts: 7,753	Try alternate drivers, my 9800 displayed lots of artifacts on 3Dmark 2k5 and HL2 until I switched to Omega (not even a clean install made them work with Cats) __________________ Leader of "The Pessimists' Club" CPU: Core 2 Q6600@3GHz - RAM: 2GB DDR2 (Corsair PC6400) VGA: GF8800GTS 512MB OC - Mobo: Gigabyte EP35C-DS3R - PSU: Antec Trio 650w 24Mb/1Mb ADSL - WindowsXP-Pro SP2 --------------------------------------------- All ePSXe plugins up-to-date http://mrkilljoy.deviantart.com/

August 10th, 2005	#18 (permalink)
Player-X Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: From Kuching in Malaysia now stuck in Houston Texas Posts: 9,110	I am using the omega 5.6 drivers as the 5.7 version also has issues

August 10th, 2005	#19 (permalink)
Mr. Killjoy [Suggest a custom title] Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Somewhere I don't belong (La Rochelle, France) Posts: 7,753	So I guess you'll just have to RMA it, like most of the gamers with good cards __________________ Leader of "The Pessimists' Club" CPU: Core 2 Q6600@3GHz - RAM: 2GB DDR2 (Corsair PC6400) VGA: GF8800GTS 512MB OC - Mobo: Gigabyte EP35C-DS3R - PSU: Antec Trio 650w 24Mb/1Mb ADSL - WindowsXP-Pro SP2 --------------------------------------------- All ePSXe plugins up-to-date http://mrkilljoy.deviantart.com/

August 10th, 2005	#20 (permalink)
cooliscool Natural medicine Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Redmond, Washington, USA Posts: 6,150	Mine's a 128MB/256-bit card Player-X, and I've not a single issue with the 5.7s. __________________ Fayt : Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8GHz @ 3.0GHz [Allendale] (1333MHz FSB), 2GB Crucial DDR2-800 Dual Channel kit @ 800MHz 4-3-3-10, 512MB BFG nVidia GeForce 7950GT OC (650/1600), Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS, MSI P6N-SLi nVidia 650i (crap OCer), 200GB Seagate Barracuda 8MB Cache 7200RPM SATA2 (NCQ), 80GB Seagate Barracuda 8MB Cache 7200RPM SATA2 (NCQ), Lite-On DVD+-RW 16x w/ Lightscribe, Lite-On 16x DVD-ROM, Aspire X-Dreamer II case, Logitech MX518 GG Optical Mouse, Asetek Waterchill kit (distilled water + Red Line Water Wetter), T.I.M - Arctic Silver Ceramique

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