Next Upgrade?

ToM_E · July 26th, 2005

Alright...my computer is lagging these days and I think its time for me to upgrade...but after doing some research i dunno wuts what..../w all these new products i dunno what to get...so i need some help....heres my specs

CPU-AMD Athlon Thunder-Bird 1.13 GHZ
RAM-512mb DDR Ram
Video Card-ATI Radeon 9000 Pro
Mobo-Msi K7T266 Pro2-U ATX

I just want to get a new cpu and video card...something that I can play Lineage 2 without crappy graphic settings...maybe for under $300 if its possible...thx for the help in advance guys!

Zer0Soul · July 26th, 2005

Videocard: You could get a ATI 9600XT card. It's going for around $100-$150 dollars right now. You'd see a pretty good improvement there.

Motherboard: ASUS A7N8X-X Socket A (Socket 462) NVIDIA nForce2 400 ATX AMD
Is a pretty decent board going for around $65 right now at new egg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...68#DetailSpecs

Cpu: Amd Athlon XP 2800+ is running for around #90
http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_g...asterid=688941

I run a 2500+ 784mb of DDR and a 9600XT and Lineage 2 runs perfect for me at all settings set to high, pixshader reflections on all and range 5 to all.

This is all based on opinion though..

ToM_E · July 26th, 2005

Thx zer0soul...but i dont think i need to upgrade the mobo yet...it says as long as i upgrade the bios i can put in any anthlon xp processor...and when u play lineage 2 how is it...no lag at all? can u post a screen shot?

**refraction** · July 26th, 2005

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Originally Posted by ToM_E

Thx zer0soul...but i dont think i need to upgrade the mobo yet...it says as long as i upgrade the bios i can put in any anthlon xp processor...and when u play lineage 2 how is it...no lag at all? can u post a screen shot?

yeh newer processors would work BUT the remaining Athlon XP's on the market are all 333mhz bus or 400mhz, his motherboard only supports up to 266 so a new motherboard would be advisable.

if you want to stick to the 32bit route id suggest

Athlon XP 3000+ processor
Abit NF-7S motherboard (very nice board, use it myself)
512mb of new ram! DDR-400 recommended

if you go for the 64 bit route (which is advisable if you are upgrading)

Athlon XP 64 3200+ socket 939
DDR-400 Ram (you WILL need this) 512mb or more
Asus AN8 Rev.2 Deluxe motherboard (not sure on this but i think its good lol)

if anybody has better 939 motherboard suggestions please put them :P

ToM_E · July 26th, 2005

I already have 512mb DDR Ram

So basically i need a new mobo+vid card+cpu.....

**refraction** · July 26th, 2005

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Originally Posted by ToM_E

I already have 512mb DDR Ram

So basically i need a new mobo+vid card+cpu.....

what speed DDR, as i say DDR-266 will NOT be fast enough, hence you needing new ram

**cooliscool** · July 26th, 2005

100-150 bucks for a 9600XT isn't a good deal. You could get a 6600GT for $~140, which would demolish a 9600XT.

ToM_E · July 27th, 2005

I dont know what speed ram...xP
well...i really want to keep my mobo...heres the mobo specs
CPU
-Supports Socket A (Socket-462) for AMD Athlon/Athlon XP/Duron Processor
-Supports 800MHZ up to 1800+Mhz Processor

Main Memory
-Supports Six memory banks using three 184-pin DDR DIMMs
-Supports a maximum memory size up to 3GB
-Supports 2.5v DDR SDRAM DIMM

Slots
-One AGP Slot
-AGP specification compliant
-Supports AGP 2.0 1x/2x/4x

so if i keep the mobo what upgrades can i get? right now for the ram im using up 2 slots...

ninor · July 27th, 2005

well your mobo limits the vid card as well you cant really utilize anything more than a 9600 (agp 4x) im not sure about nvidias side
you definetly need a new mobo lol, especially if you have 300 to throw around
if you shop around (newegg) you could make it

edit: dangit, this isnt my account Im really XxCrashxX

**cooliscool** · July 27th, 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninor

well your mobo limits the vid card as well you cant really utilize anything more than a 9600 (agp 4x) im not sure about nvidias side
you definetly need a new mobo lol, especially if you have 300 to throw around
if you shop around (newegg) you could make it

edit: dangit, this isnt my account Im really XxCrashxX

Um, AGP 8X cards are backwards compatible with 4X slots.

ToM_E · July 27th, 2005

o...so i can use 8x vid cards on a 4x agp mobo? so i can keep the mobo?

Lord Zedeck · July 27th, 2005

If you're really adamant about keeping the same motherboard, it most certainly works. They are backwards compatible like cooliscool mentioned. My secondary machine is actually running an 8x card (GeForce4 Ti4200) on a 4x AGP slot (Dell motherboard). The card is hindered, but I only do emulation (some light older games too) and internet browsing on this machine, but it does work.

ToM_E · July 27th, 2005

so all i really need a new cpu and a vid card...i might get the cpu first...but what kinda athlon xp cpu can i get /w $100?

ToM_E · July 27th, 2005

i found this...http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103341
would this fit on my mobo?

Esturk · July 27th, 2005

That motherboard, assuming it is the K7T266 Pro2U. Only supports 200 and 266 bus processors. That Athlon XP 2700+ is a 333Mhz bus Thoroughbred. Will your board be able to take that? Does your board do 166Mhz FSB?

How about this one?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103436

ToM_E · July 27th, 2005

omg...i didnt even read that...it says...
Chipset
-VIA VT8366A chipset
-FSB@200/266mhz

ToM_E · July 27th, 2005

isnt an Athlon Mobile XP only for laptops?

Master Chief · July 27th, 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToM_E

isnt an Athlon Mobile XP only for laptops?

They can be used in desktop mobos. However, they usually dont have as high of a FSB as their desktop counterparts. But, they tend to overclock more.

Some mobiles tend to not like to run on desktop mobos. I had a problem with my
older system like that. I just needed to flash a custom BIOS and I was fine.

I have a GeForce 6600GT, my dad has a GeForce 6800. The 6800 has better graphics, and more pixel pipelines. The 6600GT has a faster core clock speed. I'd reccomend the 6800 since its awesome. I can post some screens of it running Half-Life 2 with filtering on.(Half Life 2 configured itself to use filtering on his computer- awesome!). My dad also has an Abit NF7-S v2 with 1 gb of Corsair Dual Channel memory, and an Athlon XP 2500+ Barton running at 2.210ghz.

Screenshots from my dad's XFX GeForce 6800 of Half-Life 2:
(Pics have filtering on, I think Anisotropic is on 8x and Antialiasing is at 4x. Dont remember exactly tho). They are 1mb PNGs, sorry about that, but its better than 2 mb BMP

. And yes people, this is AGP 8x. AGP lives!
http://www.iuploader.net/uploads/38766bad71.png
http://www.iuploader.net/uploads/dde2e19a78.png
http://www.iuploader.net/uploads/c6feb2678d.png
http://www.iuploader.net/uploads/4aa1a702de.png
http://www.iuploader.net/uploads/2549547cf0.png
http://www.iuploader.net/uploads/c83aa80297.png

Btw, I also get like 80 FPS(maybe more havent really checked it) on his comp. I also ovrclocked it for better results. On the CS:Source stress test it got like 98 FPS. I did get it to 100, but I didnt want heat issues so I put it down a bit.

ToM_E · July 27th, 2005

ic...ill buy the new cpu maybe this week...or next week and ill post it here again ^^ thx for the help guys...

Esturk · July 27th, 2005

So what did you decide on ToM-E?

July 26th, 2005	#1 (permalink)
ToM_E Do the Monkey Dance /w me Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Doing the Monkey Dance! Posts: 2,755	Next Upgrade? Alright...my computer is lagging these days and I think its time for me to upgrade...but after doing some research i dunno wuts what..../w all these new products i dunno what to get...so i need some help....heres my specs CPU-AMD Athlon Thunder-Bird 1.13 GHZ RAM-512mb DDR Ram Video Card-ATI Radeon 9000 Pro Mobo-Msi K7T266 Pro2-U ATX I just want to get a new cpu and video card...something that I can play Lineage 2 without crappy graphic settings...maybe for under $300 if its possible...thx for the help in advance guys! __________________ CPUPentium 4 3.00 Ghz Ram2GB DDR2 PC4200 Video CardRadeon X1600 Pro

July 26th, 2005	#2 (permalink)
Zer0Soul Souless Angel Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Close to Nowhere Posts: 898	Videocard: You could get a ATI 9600XT card. It's going for around $100-$150 dollars right now. You'd see a pretty good improvement there. Motherboard: ASUS A7N8X-X Socket A (Socket 462) NVIDIA nForce2 400 ATX AMD Is a pretty decent board going for around $65 right now at new egg. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...68#DetailSpecs Cpu: Amd Athlon XP 2800+ is running for around #90 http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_g...asterid=688941 I run a 2500+ 784mb of DDR and a 9600XT and Lineage 2 runs perfect for me at all settings set to high, pixshader reflections on all and range 5 to all. This is all based on opinion though.. __________________ Currently Playing: Kindgom Hearts 2, Crimson Sea 2, Dynasty Warriors 4: Empires, Baiten Kaitos, & Lunar DS

July 26th, 2005	#3 (permalink)
ToM_E Do the Monkey Dance /w me Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Doing the Monkey Dance! Posts: 2,755	Thx zer0soul...but i dont think i need to upgrade the mobo yet...it says as long as i upgrade the bios i can put in any anthlon xp processor...and when u play lineage 2 how is it...no lag at all? can u post a screen shot? __________________ CPUPentium 4 3.00 Ghz Ram2GB DDR2 PC4200 Video CardRadeon X1600 Pro

July 26th, 2005	#5 (permalink)
ToM_E Do the Monkey Dance /w me Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Doing the Monkey Dance! Posts: 2,755	I already have 512mb DDR Ram So basically i need a new mobo+vid card+cpu..... __________________ CPUPentium 4 3.00 Ghz Ram2GB DDR2 PC4200 Video CardRadeon X1600 Pro

July 26th, 2005	#7 (permalink)
cooliscool Natural medicine Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Redmond, Washington, USA Posts: 6,180	100-150 bucks for a 9600XT isn't a good deal. You could get a 6600GT for $~140, which would demolish a 9600XT. __________________ Fayt : Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 @ 3.06GHz (1360MHz FSB), 2GB Crucial DDR2-800 Dual Channel @ 800MHz 4-3-3-11-14 1T, 512MB BFG nVidia GeForce 7950GT OC @ 650/1600, Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS, MSI P6N-SLi - nVidia 650i SLi, 200GB Seagate Barracuda 8MB Cache 7200RPM SATA2, 80GB Seagate Barracuda 8MB Cache 7200RPM SATA2, Lite-On DVD+-RW 16x w/ Lightscribe, Lite-On 16x DVD-ROM, Aspire X-Dreamer II case, Logitech MX518 Optical Mouse, Asetek Waterchill kit (distilled water + Red Line Water Wetter), T.I.M - AS Ceramique

July 27th, 2005	#8 (permalink)
ToM_E Do the Monkey Dance /w me Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Doing the Monkey Dance! Posts: 2,755	I dont know what speed ram...xP well...i really want to keep my mobo...heres the mobo specs CPU -Supports Socket A (Socket-462) for AMD Athlon/Athlon XP/Duron Processor -Supports 800MHZ up to 1800+Mhz Processor Main Memory -Supports Six memory banks using three 184-pin DDR DIMMs -Supports a maximum memory size up to 3GB -Supports 2.5v DDR SDRAM DIMM Slots -One AGP Slot -AGP specification compliant -Supports AGP 2.0 1x/2x/4x so if i keep the mobo what upgrades can i get? right now for the ram im using up 2 slots... __________________ CPUPentium 4 3.00 Ghz Ram2GB DDR2 PC4200 Video CardRadeon X1600 Pro

July 27th, 2005	#9 (permalink)
ninor Banned Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Fuedal Japan Posts: 46	well your mobo limits the vid card as well you cant really utilize anything more than a 9600 (agp 4x) im not sure about nvidias side you definetly need a new mobo lol, especially if you have 300 to throw around if you shop around (newegg) you could make it edit: dangit, this isnt my account Im really XxCrashxX

July 27th, 2005	#11 (permalink)
ToM_E Do the Monkey Dance /w me Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Doing the Monkey Dance! Posts: 2,755	o...so i can use 8x vid cards on a 4x agp mobo? so i can keep the mobo? __________________ CPUPentium 4 3.00 Ghz Ram2GB DDR2 PC4200 Video CardRadeon X1600 Pro

July 27th, 2005	#12 (permalink)
Lord Zedeck Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: U.S. (Cleveland, Ohio) Posts: 355	If you're really adamant about keeping the same motherboard, it most certainly works. They are backwards compatible like cooliscool mentioned. My secondary machine is actually running an 8x card (GeForce4 Ti4200) on a 4x AGP slot (Dell motherboard). The card is hindered, but I only do emulation (some light older games too) and internet browsing on this machine, but it does work. __________________ "Without forgiveness, life is governed by an endless cycle of resentment and retaliation." "Judge people not of their mistakes, but on how they handle those mistakes." Core 2 Duo E8400 @4.05GHz - ASUS Maximus Formula (BIOS 0602) - 4GB (2x 2GB) Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 MSI nVidia GeForce 8800GT 512MB - PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610 PSU - 2x 320GB Western Digital SE16 SATAII IBM P275 21" CRT (1600x1200 @100Hz) - Logitech Z-2300 2.1 Sound System - Windows XP Home Edition SP3

July 27th, 2005	#13 (permalink)
ToM_E Do the Monkey Dance /w me Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Doing the Monkey Dance! Posts: 2,755	so all i really need a new cpu and a vid card...i might get the cpu first...but what kinda athlon xp cpu can i get /w $100? __________________ CPUPentium 4 3.00 Ghz Ram2GB DDR2 PC4200 Video CardRadeon X1600 Pro

July 27th, 2005	#14 (permalink)
ToM_E Do the Monkey Dance /w me Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Doing the Monkey Dance! Posts: 2,755	i found this...http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103341 would this fit on my mobo? __________________ CPUPentium 4 3.00 Ghz Ram2GB DDR2 PC4200 Video CardRadeon X1600 Pro

July 27th, 2005	#15 (permalink)
Esturk Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 6,957	That motherboard, assuming it is the K7T266 Pro2U. Only supports 200 and 266 bus processors. That Athlon XP 2700+ is a 333Mhz bus Thoroughbred. Will your board be able to take that? Does your board do 166Mhz FSB? How about this one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103436 __________________ Necrosaro: Windows XP Pro x64 Edition SP2 \| Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.00GHz, 1333MHz FSB, 6MB L2 Cache \| Asus P5Q Deluxe, Intel P45 Chipset, Socket 775 \| 4GB Kingston PC5300 DDR2 \| Nvidia GeForce 8800GT, 1024MB \| Creative SB X-Fi Fatality Edition \| Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD, 150Gb, SATA, Western Digital WD5000AAKS, 500GB, SATA \| LG 16x DVD-RWx2 SATA.

July 27th, 2005	#16 (permalink)
ToM_E Do the Monkey Dance /w me Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Doing the Monkey Dance! Posts: 2,755	omg...i didnt even read that...it says... Chipset -VIA VT8366A chipset -FSB@200/266mhz __________________ CPUPentium 4 3.00 Ghz Ram2GB DDR2 PC4200 Video CardRadeon X1600 Pro

July 27th, 2005	#17 (permalink)
ToM_E Do the Monkey Dance /w me Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Doing the Monkey Dance! Posts: 2,755	isnt an Athlon Mobile XP only for laptops? __________________ CPUPentium 4 3.00 Ghz Ram2GB DDR2 PC4200 Video CardRadeon X1600 Pro

July 27th, 2005	#19 (permalink)
ToM_E Do the Monkey Dance /w me Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Doing the Monkey Dance! Posts: 2,755	ic...ill buy the new cpu maybe this week...or next week and ill post it here again ^^ thx for the help guys... __________________ CPUPentium 4 3.00 Ghz Ram2GB DDR2 PC4200 Video CardRadeon X1600 Pro

July 27th, 2005	#20 (permalink)
Esturk Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 6,957	So what did you decide on ToM-E? __________________ Necrosaro: Windows XP Pro x64 Edition SP2 \| Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.00GHz, 1333MHz FSB, 6MB L2 Cache \| Asus P5Q Deluxe, Intel P45 Chipset, Socket 775 \| 4GB Kingston PC5300 DDR2 \| Nvidia GeForce 8800GT, 1024MB \| Creative SB X-Fi Fatality Edition \| Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD, 150Gb, SATA, Western Digital WD5000AAKS, 500GB, SATA \| LG 16x DVD-RWx2 SATA.

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