Cell!

makotech222 · February 8th, 2005

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...cell_processor

Pretty cool. Coming out 2006 cant wait

D.D. · February 8th, 2005

Indeed. the Cell seems like its gonna be a crazy piece of technology and if all goes according to plan....*shivers*

btw heres imho a better article : http://ps2.ign.com/articles/585/585865p1.html

masque · February 8th, 2005

Slashdot has several articles referenced

http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl...10237&from=rss

makotech222 · February 8th, 2005

i have one Q' tho, when its used in computers, how much will the processor cost? cuz i might save up for it, and continue using my crap pc (900mhz) until its released, or buy a 3.4ghz in May for like 300usd

stilz · February 8th, 2005

I can't answer your question, but it sounds REALLy expensive.

edit: Oh btw, I don't think it's going to run Windows would it? I read it's going to support Linux though.

Toshiro · February 8th, 2005

Very nice, we shall how the computer industry will handle this change. Hopefully we can finally be rid of this ancient x86 architecture and go forward.

xRock · February 8th, 2005

Ok so finally the cell processor is unveiled by Sony, IBM and Toshiba. It will not be running at 4.6 Ghz, and even during internal testing the speeds were in the vicinity of 4Ghz.

Most probably to gain stability the final clock speed is going to be lower according to me

. Glad to know that the bulk of work on the processor is done. Full story here. Ok so what about the graphics part?

On a side note PS3 will be unveiled BEFORE E3....check here. W00t cant wait so looks like if they put their back into it PS3 might make it by Christmas.

sonicjam · February 8th, 2005

and i hope that the ps3 have alot of blue ray disc errors cause sony sucks and i bet there will be a problem runing games on it as well.

Toshiro · February 8th, 2005

It is great everyone is posting about the Cell processor, although I do think it is a little bit too much. There is already a post in the Hardware discussion about it here:

http://www.ngemu.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59967

I suggest a merge of threads, since it is pretty much the same topic. It is about the specs and capabilities of the cell processor, which includes its use in the PS3.

INCA · February 8th, 2005

Yeah it would be good to replace the existing hardware. But Cell seems to good to be true. If they are gonna release cell they can't have more than two since no one will code programs to run all of them. Also like most sony consoles the cell will be hard to write games for.

hellmasterx · February 8th, 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by INCA

Yeah it would be good to replace the existing hardware. But Cell seems to good to be true. If they are gonna release cell they can't have more than two since no one will code programs to run all of them. Also like most sony consoles the cell will be hard to write games for.

that's not a isue because sony already said that their main concern is to make it more easy to delope programs for the console, lets hope that tey keep their promise.

nahteecirp · February 8th, 2005

Quote:

I can't answer your question, but it sounds REALLy expensive.

edit: Oh btw, I don't think it's going to run Windows would it? I read it's going to support Linux though.

I read (I think at theregister.com) that Sony says that Cell will be "OS-neutral", so I'm not sure if that means Windows support or not. My guess is if M$ cant get it easily working under xp, they'll wait till longhorn.

**Kane** · February 8th, 2005

Well I'd imagine that if the Cell makes big enough waves, if MS doesn't give it support, MS are the ones that'll end up screwed, but then again: can Cell make waves without MS behind it?

>I read (I think at theregister.com) that Sony says that Cell will be "OS-neutral",

The OS-neutral is refering to the Cell requiring low-level programming (ASM essentialy) and an app for the Cell would essentialy bypass the OS' hardware abstraction layer.

Toshiro · February 8th, 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kane

The OS-neutral is refering to the Cell requiring low-level programming (ASM essentialy) and an app for the Cell would essentialy bypass the OS' hardware abstraction layer.

Would this mean that our current set of programming language is going to be reduced back to using ASM and current programming language will be out the door?

ChankastRules · February 8th, 2005

It just makes me wounder, how much will it cost to build these cells... it sounds expensive, but if they're to be in a console, it can't be that expensive HMM, very interesting indeed.

nahteecirp · February 8th, 2005

I have no idea how much it would be to produce the cell processer, but considering at least the PS3 one will be mass-produced, it should be relativly cheaper to produce than a normal desktop processer.

**Kane** · February 8th, 2005

>Would this mean that our current set of programming language is going to be reduced back to using ASM and current programming language will be out the door?

That would be the plan I'd imagine. That's how the best games on the PS2 are made and Sony encourages developers to work like that IIRC.

Valcrist · February 8th, 2005

You aslo have to take into account that the cell processor in the PS3 will most likely be a weaker version than the most powerfull ones, because then it would probably be too expensive, but then again who really knows. We will have to wait and see.

ChankastRules · February 8th, 2005

>
"Would this mean that our current set of programming language is going to be reduced back to using ASM and current programming language will be out the door?

That would be the plan I'd imagine. That's how the best games on the PS2 are made and Sony encourages developers to work like that IIRC.
>

LOL, I can assure you that no developer have ever made a commercial game for the PS2 in ASM, good sarcasm Kane, not sure if this guy got it though.

**ector** · February 8th, 2005

PS2 games are made by programming the bulk of the game code in C or C++, and the most hardcore graphics routines and the transform code for the vector units in assembler. I'd assume that the Cell will be programmed like this too: C/C++ for the main PowerPC core, and specialized assembly, or perhaps something looking like HLSL with luck, for the SPE:s or APU:s or what today's name for the 8 vector thingies is.

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D.D. band Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HERE Posts: 4,574	Indeed. the Cell seems like its gonna be a crazy piece of technology and if all goes according to plan....shivers btw heres imho a better article : http://ps2.ign.com/articles/585/585865p1.html __________________ 1. Small, Cheap, Powerful - you can have only two 2. Everytime you engineer something foolproof, the world comes up with a better idiot. 3. 「学問とは虚栄である。」 The PS3 Cell Processor Explained Page, IBM Research's Introduction to Cell Multiprocessor and Cell Processor Programming Guide

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makotech222 Chi-city's finest. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,230	i have one Q' tho, when its used in computers, how much will the processor cost? cuz i might save up for it, and continue using my crap pc (900mhz) until its released, or buy a 3.4ghz in May for like 300usd __________________ [Windows Vista Ultimate x64][Intel E8400@3.8ghz] [DDR2 4gb] [Nvidia EVGA Gtx 260(711/1533/2432)] [Creative Soundblaster] [Corsair 550w]

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stilz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ngemu? Posts: 606	I can't answer your question, but it sounds REALLy expensive. edit: Oh btw, I don't think it's going to run Windows would it? I read it's going to support Linux though. __________________ To all emulator authors and contributors: without your hard work, we'd be without many hours of enjoyment and unable to relive fond memories of childhood. Thank you.

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Toshiro Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Small island in Japan Posts: 819	Very nice, we shall how the computer industry will handle this change. Hopefully we can finally be rid of this ancient x86 architecture and go forward.

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xRock Ride the Darkness Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 337	Cell Processor Breakdown Ok so finally the cell processor is unveiled by Sony, IBM and Toshiba. It will not be running at 4.6 Ghz, and even during internal testing the speeds were in the vicinity of 4Ghz. Most probably to gain stability the final clock speed is going to be lower according to me . Glad to know that the bulk of work on the processor is done. Full story here. Ok so what about the graphics part? On a side note PS3 will be unveiled BEFORE E3....check here. W00t cant wait so looks like if they put their back into it PS3 might make it by Christmas.

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Toshiro Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Small island in Japan Posts: 819	It is great everyone is posting about the Cell processor, although I do think it is a little bit too much. There is already a post in the Hardware discussion about it here: http://www.ngemu.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59967 I suggest a merge of threads, since it is pretty much the same topic. It is about the specs and capabilities of the cell processor, which includes its use in the PS3.

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INCA Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 711	Yeah it would be good to replace the existing hardware. But Cell seems to good to be true. If they are gonna release cell they can't have more than two since no one will code programs to run all of them. Also like most sony consoles the cell will be hard to write games for. __________________ My Laptop: Dell 700m 1.8ghz Centrino, 80gigs, Win XP Pro sp2, 1gig PC2700 Intel Graphics Card. R.I.P. My Dreamcast 2000-2004

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Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	Well I'd imagine that if the Cell makes big enough waves, if MS doesn't give it support, MS are the ones that'll end up screwed, but then again: can Cell make waves without MS behind it? >I read (I think at theregister.com) that Sony says that Cell will be "OS-neutral", The OS-neutral is refering to the Cell requiring low-level programming (ASM essentialy) and an app for the Cell would essentialy bypass the OS' hardware abstraction layer. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

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ChankastRules NextGenerationGaymulation Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Sweden ( Proud Game Developer ) Posts: 2,749	It just makes me wounder, how much will it cost to build these cells... it sounds expensive, but if they're to be in a console, it can't be that expensive HMM, very interesting indeed.

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nahteecirp Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Indiana, US Posts: 75	I have no idea how much it would be to produce the cell processer, but considering at least the PS3 one will be mass-produced, it should be relativly cheaper to produce than a normal desktop processer.

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Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	>Would this mean that our current set of programming language is going to be reduced back to using ASM and current programming language will be out the door? That would be the plan I'd imagine. That's how the best games on the PS2 are made and Sony encourages developers to work like that IIRC. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

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Valcrist Resident Mac User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: (Hicksville Florida) Posts: 1,447	You aslo have to take into account that the cell processor in the PS3 will most likely be a weaker version than the most powerfull ones, because then it would probably be too expensive, but then again who really knows. We will have to wait and see. __________________ \| Athlon 64 3200+ \| ASUS 6600GT \| 1 GB Dual Channel \| 20 GB Windows XP \| 100 GB Ubuntu \| 120 GB Storage \| \|14" iBook G4 1.33Ghz\|512 MB\|Radeon 9200\|60GB OSX Tiger\| >--Visit my blog--< http://blog.efx2.com/user/Tim

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ChankastRules NextGenerationGaymulation Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Sweden ( Proud Game Developer ) Posts: 2,749	> "Would this mean that our current set of programming language is going to be reduced back to using ASM and current programming language will be out the door? That would be the plan I'd imagine. That's how the best games on the PS2 are made and Sony encourages developers to work like that IIRC. > LOL, I can assure you that no developer have ever made a commercial game for the PS2 in ASM, good sarcasm Kane, not sure if this guy got it though.

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ector Emu author Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 271	PS2 games are made by programming the bulk of the game code in C or C++, and the most hardcore graphics routines and the transform code for the vector units in assembler. I'd assume that the Cell will be programmed like this too: C/C++ for the main PowerPC core, and specialized assembly, or perhaps something looking like HLSL with luck, for the SPE:s or APU:s or what today's name for the 8 vector thingies is.

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