What is a "USB Router"? (possibility of Killzone LAN)

stilz · October 24th, 2004

Hello,
I heard from the Killzone forum that you can hook up your PS2's to a "USB router" to play them in LAN; I've never heard of "USB routers". Are they just regular PC routers that, instead of using cat5 cables they use USB ones? Also, does this mean no PS2 network adapter is needed? Please post information if you know, thanks.

**Kane** · October 24th, 2004

You can hook up your PS2 to a LAN via an average everyday USB Ethernet adaptor, but I'd imagine a USB based router (like the one BT sells with their ADSL) would need drivers to work via USB.

stilz · October 24th, 2004

Is this it: link
Are there only certain brands or models that will work with PS2 or all of them will work? I suppose you can't play PS2 online with this now can you

D.D. · October 24th, 2004

only specific ones have beeen confirmed to work flawlessly. The most compatible one iirc is the usb100tx (something like that) from Linksys.

stilz · October 24th, 2004

You have the right model number (usb100tx), but these things cost at least $35 which is more than a PS2 network adapter (can be had for <$20) would cost. Is it not possible to do PS2 LAN with its network adapter? Thanks

The Captain · October 24th, 2004

Can you post a link to the killzone forum you are talking about? As far as I know, I don't think Killzone allows for lan play. But I may be wrong. Can't wait till Tuesday.

D.D. · October 25th, 2004

Captain: wuts happening on tuesday????

stilz: ps2 lan shud will work on the network adapter as long as the game itself has support for it (ie star wars battlefront)

EDIT: this page seems to have a list of those games http://homepage.mac.com/ancient_elem...ersonal31.html

stilz · October 25th, 2004

Pretty sure he means next Tuesday; the day Killzone ships.
And here is the post: http://killzone.ng-gamer.nl/forum/to...?id=819&page=5 ('stilz' is me)
Right now I'm just trying to figure out the difference between USB ethernet adapter and PS2 network adapter. He said you can play Killzone LAN with some 'know how' and later said to use a 'USB router'.
Since the USB ethernet adapter and the PS2 network adapter each cost about $20, there is no point getting both, is there?
Thanks

stilz · October 26th, 2004

My main question now is this: what's the difference between the USB ethernet adapter and the PS2 network adapter? Does the USB one not allow online gaming but allows LAN and vice versa?
Thanks.

**Kane** · October 26th, 2004

The PS2 one comes with an HDD IIRC.....

The Captain · October 26th, 2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by stilz

My main question now is this: what's the difference between the USB ethernet adapter and the PS2 network adapter? Does the USB one not allow online gaming but allows LAN and vice versa?
Thanks.

As far as I can tell from the links you gave me, you should be able to play on a lan using the regular network adapter. The usb adapter will only work with some games, regardless of whether you are playing over a LAN or the internet. My advice is to get the regular network adapter. You can get one for cheap at http://www.the-console-corner.com/so...rk_adaptor.htm.

stilz · October 26th, 2004

I'd like to think that the regular network adapter would support LAN; the thing is, the information about the game specifically said "no LAN support". Which is why I was happy to hear about the "USB router" method, but the guy that provided the information did not go into details.

**Bgnome** · October 26th, 2004

this is what I know about ps2 networking. i have read into it a fair bit but may be wrong about certain specifics and anyone is welcome to correct me.

first off, there is such a thing as networking through usb. this is basically based off the same hardware that the sharkport (relatively newer version that had 2 cords and a middle unit with 2 plugs) used. there is a way to network these things with a usb hub, but it gets complicated. if you really want to learn more about it, look up the datasheet on the prolific 2302 usb networking chip.

there is also a way to network through the firewire/ieee 1394/i-link port. you need a firewire hub and the appropriate cables. the ONLY game i know of that supported this was GT2 and since the firewire port was thrown out in the last couple revisions of the ps2 hardware, i would guess that you wouldnt see this again.

now, you must realize that the ps2 requires a driver for practically every usb peripheral you plug into it. the only exception i can think of is a usb hub, which it natively supports. for anything else, including controllers, keyboards, mice, web cams, etc. the driver is on the game disc and the game/program must use that driver.

this means that any game that doesnt have the specific driver for whatever you want to use, ie a 3com 100tx usb ethernet adapter, will not work with that peripheral AT ALL. from what i understand, any 3rd party peripheral that is not an officially licensed product will NOT have official support. although many previous online-capable games had the driver for the 3com 100tx, it was not supported by sony. i have also heard that sony has pressured devs not to include such a driver to limit people to the officially supported hardware. that being said, if you use a usb ethernet adapter, you run the risk of not being able to go online with games. any online-capable game is required to be compatible with the sony network adapter, so you cant go wrong if you get one of those.

stilz · October 26th, 2004

Thanks for your detailed post. I suppose the support basically varies from game to game. I'll wait till Killzone comes out and go back to ask that guy then.

BTW, this is the cause for all these questions: "The online component is referred to as "Battlefields". We support 16 players online, broadband only (no dialup). This is Internet play - no LAN mode support."
source: link

October 24th, 2004	#1 (permalink)
stilz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ngemu? Posts: 606	to LAN PS2: Difference between PS2 network adapter and USB ethernet adapter Hello, I heard from the Killzone forum that you can hook up your PS2's to a "USB router" to play them in LAN; I've never heard of "USB routers". Are they just regular PC routers that, instead of using cat5 cables they use USB ones? Also, does this mean no PS2 network adapter is needed? Please post information if you know, thanks. __________________ To all emulator authors and contributors: without your hard work, we'd be without many hours of enjoyment and unable to relive fond memories of childhood. Thank you. Last edited by stilz; October 26th, 2004 at 05:57.

October 24th, 2004	#2 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	You can hook up your PS2 to a LAN via an average everyday USB Ethernet adaptor, but I'd imagine a USB based router (like the one BT sells with their ADSL) would need drivers to work via USB. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

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stilz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ngemu? Posts: 606	Is this it: link Are there only certain brands or models that will work with PS2 or all of them will work? I suppose you can't play PS2 online with this now can you __________________ To all emulator authors and contributors: without your hard work, we'd be without many hours of enjoyment and unable to relive fond memories of childhood. Thank you.

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D.D. band Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HERE Posts: 4,574	only specific ones have beeen confirmed to work flawlessly. The most compatible one iirc is the usb100tx (something like that) from Linksys. __________________ 1. Small, Cheap, Powerful - you can have only two 2. Everytime you engineer something foolproof, the world comes up with a better idiot. 3. 「学問とは虚栄である。」 The PS3 Cell Processor Explained Page, IBM Research's Introduction to Cell Multiprocessor and Cell Processor Programming Guide

October 24th, 2004	#5 (permalink)
stilz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ngemu? Posts: 606	You have the right model number (usb100tx), but these things cost at least $35 which is more than a PS2 network adapter (can be had for <$20) would cost. Is it not possible to do PS2 LAN with its network adapter? Thanks __________________ To all emulator authors and contributors: without your hard work, we'd be without many hours of enjoyment and unable to relive fond memories of childhood. Thank you.

October 24th, 2004	#6 (permalink)
The Captain Crono! Wake up! Join Date: May 2002 Location: cyberspace Posts: 1,446	Can you post a link to the killzone forum you are talking about? As far as I know, I don't think Killzone allows for lan play. But I may be wrong. Can't wait till Tuesday. __________________ DFI LT X38 mobo, E8400 OC @ 4ghz, 4gb G.Skill DDR2 1066mhz, 8800GTS 320mb (G80), 2 x 150gb WD Raptors in RAID 0, 2 x 320gb media/backup drives, NB & CPU DangerDen waterblocks, BlackIce GTX 360 radiator

October 25th, 2004	#7 (permalink)
D.D. band Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HERE Posts: 4,574	Captain: wuts happening on tuesday???? stilz: ps2 lan shud will work on the network adapter as long as the game itself has support for it (ie star wars battlefront) EDIT: this page seems to have a list of those games http://homepage.mac.com/ancient_elem...ersonal31.html __________________ 1. Small, Cheap, Powerful - you can have only two 2. Everytime you engineer something foolproof, the world comes up with a better idiot. 3. 「学問とは虚栄である。」 The PS3 Cell Processor Explained Page, IBM Research's Introduction to Cell Multiprocessor and Cell Processor Programming Guide

October 25th, 2004	#8 (permalink)
stilz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ngemu? Posts: 606	Pretty sure he means next Tuesday; the day Killzone ships. And here is the post: http://killzone.ng-gamer.nl/forum/to...?id=819&page=5 ('stilz' is me) Right now I'm just trying to figure out the difference between USB ethernet adapter and PS2 network adapter. He said you can play Killzone LAN with some 'know how' and later said to use a 'USB router'. Since the USB ethernet adapter and the PS2 network adapter each cost about $20, there is no point getting both, is there? Thanks __________________ To all emulator authors and contributors: without your hard work, we'd be without many hours of enjoyment and unable to relive fond memories of childhood. Thank you.

October 26th, 2004	#9 (permalink)
stilz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ngemu? Posts: 606	My main question now is this: what's the difference between the USB ethernet adapter and the PS2 network adapter? Does the USB one not allow online gaming but allows LAN and vice versa? Thanks. __________________ To all emulator authors and contributors: without your hard work, we'd be without many hours of enjoyment and unable to relive fond memories of childhood. Thank you.

October 26th, 2004	#10 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	The PS2 one comes with an HDD IIRC..... __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

October 26th, 2004	#12 (permalink)
stilz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ngemu? Posts: 606	I'd like to think that the regular network adapter would support LAN; the thing is, the information about the game specifically said "no LAN support". Which is why I was happy to hear about the "USB router" method, but the guy that provided the information did not go into details. __________________ To all emulator authors and contributors: without your hard work, we'd be without many hours of enjoyment and unable to relive fond memories of childhood. Thank you.

October 26th, 2004	#13 (permalink)
Bgnome Who Da Gnome? Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: At Home Posts: 2,441	this is what I know about ps2 networking. i have read into it a fair bit but may be wrong about certain specifics and anyone is welcome to correct me. first off, there is such a thing as networking through usb. this is basically based off the same hardware that the sharkport (relatively newer version that had 2 cords and a middle unit with 2 plugs) used. there is a way to network these things with a usb hub, but it gets complicated. if you really want to learn more about it, look up the datasheet on the prolific 2302 usb networking chip. there is also a way to network through the firewire/ieee 1394/i-link port. you need a firewire hub and the appropriate cables. the ONLY game i know of that supported this was GT2 and since the firewire port was thrown out in the last couple revisions of the ps2 hardware, i would guess that you wouldnt see this again. now, you must realize that the ps2 requires a driver for practically every usb peripheral you plug into it. the only exception i can think of is a usb hub, which it natively supports. for anything else, including controllers, keyboards, mice, web cams, etc. the driver is on the game disc and the game/program must use that driver. this means that any game that doesnt have the specific driver for whatever you want to use, ie a 3com 100tx usb ethernet adapter, will not work with that peripheral AT ALL. from what i understand, any 3rd party peripheral that is not an officially licensed product will NOT have official support. although many previous online-capable games had the driver for the 3com 100tx, it was not supported by sony. i have also heard that sony has pressured devs not to include such a driver to limit people to the officially supported hardware. that being said, if you use a usb ethernet adapter, you run the risk of not being able to go online with games. any online-capable game is required to be compatible with the sony network adapter, so you cant go wrong if you get one of those. __________________ May the Gnome™ be With You

October 26th, 2004	#14 (permalink)
stilz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ngemu? Posts: 606	Thanks for your detailed post. I suppose the support basically varies from game to game. I'll wait till Killzone comes out and go back to ask that guy then. BTW, this is the cause for all these questions: "The online component is referred to as "Battlefields". We support 16 players online, broadband only (no dialup). This is Internet play - no LAN mode support." source: link __________________ To all emulator authors and contributors: without your hard work, we'd be without many hours of enjoyment and unable to relive fond memories of childhood. Thank you.

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