ati 9600/se/pro/xt

paulsy · January 13th, 2004

what are the differences between the ati 9600, 9600se, 9600 pro, and the, 9600 xt.

**hushypushy** · January 13th, 2004

a few little things, http://apps.ati.com/ATIcompare/result.asp

if that doesnt work... http://apps.ati.com/ATIcompare/ and then select the 3 cards (IIRC there is no 9600se)

Noxious Ninja · January 13th, 2004

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Originally Posted by hushypushy

a few little things, http://apps.ati.com/ATIcompare/result.asp

if that doesnt work... http://apps.ati.com/ATIcompare/ and then select the 3 cards (IIRC there is no 9600se)

Your first link won't work by design, as the page uses POST data.

paulsy · January 13th, 2004

well it might not be ati that makes the 9600 se but SAPPHIRE if not then what is this card
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...=BROWSE&depa=1

**Kirby** · January 13th, 2004

did they already get rid of 9600se support?...does the SE mean "Special Edition" or "Second Edition"?

I believe the 9600se was actually slower than the regular 9600 in every which way

didamangi · January 13th, 2004

Probably means Slow Edition or Sh!t Edition

IIRC it's slower than the pro ones, the XTs are the ones to buy if you want one of the 9600 lineup IMO.

edit: Kirby was right, it's slower than a 9600 and check out this review:

http://www.ocprices.com/index.php?re...action=reviews

Quote:

9600SE name is confusing for a card with performance lower than a 9000 Pro

Ouch, avoid this sucker

Gamer1 · January 13th, 2004

the se... they cut the 9600's 128bit bus to 64bits, it's as slow as a 9200, practically replacing the 9200 in the low end segment, 9200 speeds with dx9 support... just about as worthless as a 5200

the 9600 is an underclocked version of the 9600 pro, and the xt is the overclocked version

the 9600se is going for $90 at newegg
the 9600 is going for $110 at newegg
the 9600pro is going for $140 at newegg
the 9600xt is going for $160 at newegg

chp · January 13th, 2004

All these "SE" cards based on ATI or "XT" on NVidia chipsets make me think that the manufacturers uses every chip (bad or not) to make money. So some companies buy these bad chipsets from ATI or Nvidia and sell them on "Special low budget" cards.
From my experience it could be good or bad since I was allowed to "softmod" my AIW9800SE (4 pipelines/256bits) to a shiny AIW9800PRO (8 pipelines/256bits).....

Gamer1 · January 13th, 2004

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Originally Posted by chp

All these "SE" cards based on ATI or "XT" on NVidia chipsets make me think that the manufacturers uses every chip (bad or not) to make money. So some companies buy these bad chipsets from ATI or Nvidia and sell them on "Special low budget" cards.
From my experience it could be good or bad since I was allowed to "softmod" my AIW9800SE (4 pipelines/256bits) to a shiny AIW9800PRO (8 pipelines/256bits).....

yea, don't buy a 5600xt, 9600se, 9200, and a 5200 (ultra and non untra) for more than 100 otherwise you are getting scamed, better off with a gf4mx440 (with 128bit bus), around 50 and performs alot better (just don't get the 64bit version... and i'm not talking about vram)

Or... you could just get a 9700pro from newegg. The new Powercolor Evil Commando 2 9700 Pro at newegg sells at $219, and it is built on the 9800pro pcb.

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...ion=14-131-199

*attached below is the new 9700Pro

**hushypushy** · January 13th, 2004

gamer1 can you please explain more about this >new< 9700pro?

Gamer1 · January 13th, 2004

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Originally Posted by hushypushy

gamer1 can you please explain more about this >new< 9700pro?

what do mean? what's to explain. otherthan it's using the new 9800pro pcbs

attached is picture comparison

RF · January 13th, 2004

The 9600XT is mainly a 9600pro with a faster fill rate and 100mhz faster core. The rest are just slower.

chp · January 14th, 2004

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Originally Posted by Gamer1

what do mean? what's to explain. otherthan it's using the new 9800pro pcbs

Not really.... In fact it's almost all ATI board based on the "original" layout from ATI (Powercolor, Spphire,....). I still have my old defunt AIW9700Pro and when I compare with my "moded" AIW9800pro(se), it's the same pcb except the heatsink. And because it's the same board (but not the same chip) I was able to swap the "tiny" HSF from the AIW9800Pro(se) with the one (bigger) from the dead AIW9700Pro...

ka0s · January 14th, 2004

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Originally Posted by Reichfuher

The 9600XT is mainly a 9600pro with a faster fill rate and 100mhz faster core. The rest are just slower.

and the higher fill rate is a result of the higher clock right?

Xinu0 · January 14th, 2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gamer1

what do mean? what's to explain. otherthan it's using the new 9800pro pcbs

attached is picture comparison

I think the left most one is a 9600P, because it looks just like my card.

ka0s · January 14th, 2004

AFAIK 9700p has a bigger heatsink, are you sure?

chp · January 14th, 2004

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Originally Posted by ka0s

AFAIK 9700p has a bigger heatsink, are you sure?

It's what I sayd... I put the HSF from the AIW9700pro on my AIW9800Pro(se) because it was bigger.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reichfuher

The 9600XT is mainly a 9600pro with a faster fill rate and 100mhz faster core. The rest are just slower.

Higher GPU clock and Higher MEM Clock....

Aleksei (St) · January 14th, 2004

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Originally Posted by ka0s

and the higher fill rate is a result of the higher clock right?

yes, i think it was explained before

**hushypushy** · January 14th, 2004

whast the big deal with a 9600 XT? cant you just bump up the 9600pro slightly and get there? or at least flash the bios and there you go?

Gamer1 · January 14th, 2004

it's an overhyped product... that is it

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paulsy and why shouldn't I Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wisconsin Posts: 305	well it might not be ati that makes the 9600 se but SAPPHIRE if not then what is this card http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...=BROWSE&depa=1 __________________ windows xp 1.8 gig p4 20 gig hd 40 gig hd 256 mb of ram tnt2 m64 "they can beat us but they can't eat us"

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Kirby Politically incorrect FTW Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 8,445	did they already get rid of 9600se support?...does the SE mean "Special Edition" or "Second Edition"? I believe the 9600se was actually slower than the regular 9600 in every which way __________________ AMD Athlon64 X2 4400+ Toledo, Nvidia GeForce 7950GT SLi, 2GB PC3200 2-3-2-5, ABit AN8-SLi, Sound Blaster X-FI XtremeMusic

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Gamer1 Anti-Brand Loyalist Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Its too dark to tell... Posts: 3,237	the se... they cut the 9600's 128bit bus to 64bits, it's as slow as a 9200, practically replacing the 9200 in the low end segment, 9200 speeds with dx9 support... just about as worthless as a 5200 the 9600 is an underclocked version of the 9600 pro, and the xt is the overclocked version the 9600se is going for $90 at newegg the 9600 is going for $110 at newegg the 9600pro is going for $140 at newegg the 9600xt is going for $160 at newegg __________________ Iris: (Proc:Intel Pentium4 2.8Ghz w/ HT UNLOCKED @ 15x200) (Mobo: Asus P4C800-E) (RAM: Corsair XMS 2x512MB DDR400) (HDD 1: Seagate 80GB, 8MB Buffer, 7200 RPM) (Disk Drive 1: Lite-On 16x DVD Burner 1673S) (GFX Card: Radeon 9800 All-In-Wonder Pro 128MB) (Sound Card: Sound Blaster Audigy) Morrigan: (Proc:AMD Athlon 2500+ @ 11x200) (Mobo: Asrock K7V88) (RAM: Corsair XMS 512MB DDR400) (HDD 1: Seagate 80GB, 8MB Buffer, 7200 RPM) (Disk Drive 1: NEC 16x DVD Burner 3200AG) (GFX Card: Radeon 920064MB) (Sound Card: Sound Blaster Live! 5.1) Last edited by Gamer1; January 13th, 2004 at 21:48.

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chp Bip...Bip... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: on Earth Posts: 966	All these "SE" cards based on ATI or "XT" on NVidia chipsets make me think that the manufacturers uses every chip (bad or not) to make money. So some companies buy these bad chipsets from ATI or Nvidia and sell them on "Special low budget" cards. From my experience it could be good or bad since I was allowed to "softmod" my AIW9800SE (4 pipelines/256bits) to a shiny AIW9800PRO (8 pipelines/256bits)..... __________________ If god doesn't exist in our world, then...I will create god with my own hands!

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hushypushy the only one you've ever SEEN Join Date: May 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 21,837	whast the big deal with a 9600 XT? cant you just bump up the 9600pro slightly and get there? or at least flash the bios and there you go? __________________ Dedicated to mediocrity and repetition since 1994. 2008 "How Not to Post" guide

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