AMD 64 Released!!!!

[fenris-wolf]

They finally realesed it. You can buy it at newegg and not as expensive as i thought it would be.
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduc...103-416&DEPA=0

I hope the price goes down after a while because its still a little out of my price range.

[Demigod]

Err, you might want to wait until a good motherboard is available.

I just read the reviews and it kind of reminded me of Nvidia's move with the release of the Radeon 8500 (releasing better-performing GeForce 3 drivers upon the 8500's release). The P4 EE that Intel released just a few days ago really kicks the Athlon 64's ass. It's possible Intel did it to simply spoil the release of the Athlon 64 or as a last-minute reaction but the results are clear. The Athlon 64 isn't nearly as compelling as it could be. A P4 EE is also cheaper at the moment.

P.S. Oh, and I wouldn't expect prices to fall anytime soon. The Athlon 64 /FX is very expensive to produce for AMD and they cannot afford to sell them at cheap prices. As Anandtech said, until AMD switches to a 90 nm process (not anytime soon) the Athlon 64 will be exclusively a high-end part.

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/me starts to wonder if AMD ever going to hit the 3 Ghz frequency rate at this speed.

Yours,
-Elly

[Esturk]

Does this mean Intel will release the Pentium 5 soon?

[Demigod]

The Prescott is scheduled to be released soon (not as the Pentium 5 though). With the huge amount of improvements to its cache and core it should prove to be a very good competitor to the Athlon 64. It should also be able to ramp up in clock speed very well, thanks to the 90 nm process.

[GSDragoon]

IIRC Demigod said the P4's can go up to 5GHz or so.

[fivefeet8]

http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1884

The P4 ee kicking The Athlon64's ass? Not really. CHeck out the memory latency and bandwidth tests.

Last I heard the Athlon64 3200+ was $500 while the P4 EE 3.2gherts was $700. The P4 3.2ghertz CPU is still $600.

[D.D.]

>The Athlon 64 isn't nearly as compelling as it could be. A P4 EE is also cheaper at the moment.

WHAT? Where?

For those of us with more pedestrian spending limits, the Athlon 64 3200+ looks like a great value. Yes, it costs over 400 bucks, but the stock Pentium 4 3.2GHz is selling for more than $600 right now.

From that, I'm guessing that the EE will be even more expensive but I don't know how it'll compare to the AMD64 FX (I doubt the EE would be less expensive tho, coming from Intel )

Yeah....I was wondering why Demigod said the Athlon 64's ass is kicked in most of the test....seems like the other way around to me...

Originally Posted by HardOCP

Bottom line? The Good - The Athlon64 3200+ and FX 51 deliver the best overall performance we've seen from any CPU line to date. The Bad - The Athlon64 3200+ and FX 51 are going to be overpriced for the gaming and enthusiast market. The Ugly - The Athlon64 and FX 51 will very likely not be available in any great quantity until next year...but that remains to be seen.

Originally Posted by aceshardware

The Athlon 64 FX-51 is indeed the fastest desktop processor right now as the Pentium 4 EE is not really available to the enthusiast. The large L3-cache of Pentium 4 EE gives it an advantage in applications like 3D Animation, but in games the Athlon 64 FX-51 is overall the fastest processor. However, the high price tag plus the fact that you have to buy buffered RAM makes the Athlon FX-51 less interesting from a price/performance perspective

Chart : http://www.aceshardware.com/read.jsp?id=60000267

[fenris-wolf]

As for motherboards this one looks pretty decent. Not a bad price too ~$150
http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage....131-473-02.JPG

When i said i would buy it when the price went down i was expecting it to bee a long time. Year or more.

[GKort]

damn...another reason to love AMD>INTEL

intels prices are soo phucked up...im so glad i choose Athlon XP over intel...save money, better CPU...only reason INTEL is in biz still is its older and more well-known

the Athlon 64-bit is better then P4, generally according to D.D.'s great link...
http://www.aceshardware.com/read.jsp?id=60000267

[Demigod]

Originally Posted by fivefeet8

http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1884

The P4 ee kicking The Athlon64's ass? Not really. CHeck out the memory latency and bandwidth tests.

Last I heard the Athlon64 3200+ was $500 while the P4 EE 3.2gherts was $700. The P4 3.2ghertz CPU is still $600.

LOL, you actually take those memory bandwidth and latency tests into consideration? The only reason they included them was to show the theoretical bandwidth benefits offered by the on-board memory controller. Otherwise they're meaningless. They did it for the Opteron as well so I'm not surprised. Anandtech likes to dabble a lot in theories.

The only sites I really trust is THG (and maybe Ace's). They were pretty much the only two sites that expressed unbiased opinions on the Barton at its release, while every other site gave AMD way more credit than they were due.

Originally Posted by GKort

intels prices are soo phucked up...im so glad i choose Athlon XP over intel...save money, better CPU...only reason INTEL is in biz still is its older and more well-known

Err, not me. I'm kind of regretting getting this system. I've had so many goddamn problems with it it's not even funny. Most of it was due to the KT400 board but performance is not really up to par either. Multitasking is so not the Athlon XP's strongpoint as I've clearly experienced. The only reason I got it was because it was cheap, which won't be the case with AMD anymore (not until they switch to a smaller process).

[saulin]

Yikes the Athlon 64 FX-51 does not overclock nothing.

http://www.legitreviews.com/Reviews/64fx_8.shtml

Does it even beat a P4? I have seen them clocked to well 5ghz on extreme cooling.


for the looks of things the P4 EE might not be such a bad overclocker so that might just continue to put Intel on top as far as performance goes.

[D.D.]

The P4 EE that Intel released just a few days ago really kicks the Athlon 64's ass.

....well then, on behalf of all amd lovers, I demand that you take that back!!! :P

EDIT:

@Saulin:

...and I suppose you know how well the amd64/fx will overclock when they become publicly available...

pls....don't make oc comparisons until the amd64's oc capability has been tested (esp against a p5 cooled with extreme measures...), cuz otherwise people will start making references to the 1700+'s relatively enormous overclock under normal circumstances!!!!

[Raziel]

The only really interesting Athlon64s are the "FX" named ones, and they're far from being cheap, IIRC, they're all more expensive than any P4, even the EE.

[Demigod]

Originally Posted by D.D.

....well then, on behalf of all amd lovers, I demand that you take that back!!! :P

Sure, I'll take that back.

BTW, the P4 EE that Intel introduced a few days ago kicks the Athlon 64's arse

[saulin]

Dude it won't overclock as good as the P4 EE

http://translate.google.com/translat...Ephp%3Fid%3D91

Someone already tested an Athlon 64 FX on extreme cooling and it really did poor overclocking. I'll find the link.

Read the new Intel vs Amd review I posted. In the end the P4 EE overclocks better and wins.


Is kinna early to decide which one wins on default clock speed since I need to see more gaming benchmarks but it doesn't look that great for AMD since the P4 EE beats it in many benchmarks.

Acording to pricewatch

$762 Athlon 64 FX

I still have to find a price for the P4 EE. I would think is the same or about the same.

[Gamer1]

the p4ee is a paper launch.... so... it's kinda sad that way...

[elty]

once again, Intel make a paper launch to mess up AMD.

Last time, Intel release their P3 1Ghz, while it is like $300 cheaper, the CPU is nowhere to be seen in retail channel until like a quarter later. In contrast K7-1G is availlable in a month after announcement.

Don't forget you can't buy P4 EE now, u need to wait till November. I mean, you can't say P4 EE is the performance leader when you can't even buy it. But when P4 EE is available, then P4 EE probably wins.

We don't really know if 64 bit computing is necessary. Hardware now seems to be ahead of software: we have DX9 card before the first DX9 game. Maybe 64bit computing will come sooner than we think. Then Althon 64 will be good deal: it offers good 32 bit performance, cost less than P4 EE and support 64 bit. Recompile Linux program shows a great improvement from 32bit to 64 bit, we should hold our breath. When FX5900 release it beats the 9800Pro, but only now peopel discover it sucks at DX9 game. Similar situation may appear again on 64 bit computing, but AMD probably gamble too much on the software support.

What I worry now is the Althon platform is really exhausted. If Althon 64 cannot scale to at least 3Ghz then it will be troublesome for AMD.

[Demigod]

And I'm sure everyone here acknowledges that AMD does paper launches as well. The XP 2400+, 2600+ and 2800+ were all paper-launched, yet many magazines decided to declare AMD the performance leader because of them, including CPU magazine, my fav computer mag. Intel simply threw this in at the last minute, possibly to spoil the Athlon64 launch and it's worked well for them.

Originally Posted by Tom's Hardware Guide

AMD delivers its GZIP Packer optimized for 64 bits with the standard package, which is a whole lot speedier compared with 32-bit operation. But a closer look at this fact reveals a marketing trap: if the code is optimized for the P4, too - as it was in our test - then the Intel CPU turns out to be faster under conventional 32-bit operation. So there's no compelling argument for 64 bits there.

I wouldn't hold my breath for 64-bit software, especially with the x86-64.

[felinusz]

Man, you guys are quick to judge the Athlon 64 when it was just released and no bug-free motheboards with good overclocking options exist for it.

Did you see people running around with 2.4 GHz 1700's when the T-Bred was released? I know mine clocks out due to heat considerations @ 2460 MHz - with a huge Vcore caps ahead of it - *on cheap air*.

I'm with D.D. on this, I am not an AMD fanboy, merely a very satisfied AMD user. When intel can *offer* me more than my AMD system *gives* me I will buy intel.