A New Competitor to ATI and Nvidia maybe?

September 18th, 2003

Dunno looks good. Possibility of Duo 8 Pipeline architectures could be pretty killer. And Also could be pretty hefty on the ole paycheck too. Have a looky at the lineup the new company XGI is preparing.

And these cards arent years off or vaporware. Many expect them in the coming 4 months.

http://www.xgitech.com/products/products_2.htm

Andrew Hruska · September 18th, 2003

hmm. 3dfx ripoff.. me no like..

we all know you are jealous of my l33t system.

September 18th, 2003

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Hruska

hmm. 3dfx ripoff.. me no like..

we all know you are jealous of my l33t system.

SLI mode is hardly a 3dfx rip off. ATI has done. Nvidia cards support it. And it's hardly ripping nVidia off. If they can do it cost effectively I'd be interested.

GSDragoon · September 18th, 2003

Looks nice.

-16 sets high performance pixel rendering pipelines

It's got 2 GPU's on 1 card. Would that work the same way as dual processors? As it it won't help most programs unless it's programmed for 2. The cost would be rediculous too.

**fivefeet8** · September 18th, 2003

I would like to see a Tile Based Rendering Engine like the KyroII's but with higher ddr/core speeds and be dx9/ps2 OGL1.5/2.0 compatible. I hear the PowerVR Series 5 may also be a contender soon. PowerVr technology is used in the Dreamcast and the Naomi2 arcade hardware.

D.D. · September 18th, 2003

yahman!!! fivefeet- I too have marvelled at tile-based rendering

. When I first heard of it, I was so amazed by the concept. In fact, that was why I bought a dreamcast

. Too bad the kyro cards were slow and lacked support...

BTW, the disadvantage of tile-based rendering : it would sorta "cheat" 3d mark cuz 03 is drawn from the back of the scene (IIRC).

Alias · September 18th, 2003

well, STMicro sold their stake in powervr, so imagination technologies (the developers of powervr) will need to find another company to help fund the next iteration of powervr...

there's only 3 powervr btw (pcx/pcx2, series 2, kyro/kyroII <-second one was simply clocked higher).

And GSDragoon, games don't need to be written to take advantage of it, only the drivers do (or 3dfx Voodoo5 and ATi's Maxx derivatives would've been useless).

Regulus · September 18th, 2003

beh. Nothoing can compete with Nvidia and ATI, IMO....really, you can have only 2 major "competitors" in almost anything.......('cept consoles)

**fivefeet8** · September 18th, 2003

That's what they said about ATi when 3dfx and Nvidia was battling it out. Look it the situation now. More competition = more options, less prices, and better hardware.

RF · September 18th, 2003

These will be interesting to see. For now im going to stick with ATi since nvidia ****ed me over with their chipset in terms of sound.

D.D. · September 18th, 2003

? whats wrong with soundstorm?

RF · September 18th, 2003

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Originally Posted by D.D.

? whats wrong with soundstorm?

STATIC STATIC STATIC! I've tryed every driver, every fix. Cooled the southbridge, but whenever I use hardware acceleration its becomes STATIC STATIC STATIC after meer minutes. :cuss2:

You asked

September 18th, 2003

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reichfuher

STATIC STATIC STATIC! I've tryed every driver, every fix. Cooled the southbridge, but whenever I use hardware acceleration its becomes STATIC STATIC STATIC after meer minutes. :cuss2:

You asked

I had issues with the Nvidia sound drivers too. And I dont even have soundstorm. I rolled back to the drivers on abits site and they fixed it tho...

P.S. Fivefeet! CHECK YOUR PMS I SENT YOU ONE 2 days AGO L

**DarkAurora** · September 18th, 2003

I was interested in this card until I saw this:

Up to 2.13GB bus bandwidth

**fivefeet8** · September 18th, 2003

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisRay

P.S. Fivefeet! CHECK YOUR PMS I SENT YOU ONE 2 days AGO L

Oops.. Done. Hope is was helpful.

The sound issues are there in Nforce2 mobos, but I've only experienced sound problems with MGS2PC. All other apps work fine. Luckily, I also have a SB audigy gamer as a secondary sound card which works fine that game.

**Kane** · September 18th, 2003

The Voodoo 5 made good use of twin GPUs.

op3n_skill · September 18th, 2003

Err.. anybody tried Kyro cards(PowerVR)?
OT, Is there PCI versions of the Kyro cards?
i've been searching for another card for Dual-Monitor(Something not Nvidia).......

Solid_Snake · September 18th, 2003

wow! a knew competitor
I heard Intel and AMD had a knew competitor and its name is said to be CRUSOE somethin' like that for Filipinos I watch convergence @ net-25 thats where I heard about crusoe

**Kane** · September 18th, 2003

anybody tried Kyro cards(PowerVR)?
Yes, IIRC they suck quite badly. The raw performance in PC gmaes is fine, but anything specialised like emus tend to run badly with poor quality.
OT, Is there PCI versions of the Kyro cards?
I believe so, yes.

**Raziel** · September 19th, 2003

Crusoe is a chip for/pocket PCs PDAs.

September 18th, 2003	#1 (permalink)
ChrisRay Guest Posts: n/a	A New Competitor to ATI and Nvidia maybe? Dunno looks good. Possibility of Duo 8 Pipeline architectures could be pretty killer. And Also could be pretty hefty on the ole paycheck too. Have a looky at the lineup the new company XGI is preparing. And these cards arent years off or vaporware. Many expect them in the coming 4 months. http://www.xgitech.com/products/products_2.htm

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GSDragoon Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,970	Re: A New Competitor to ATI and Nvidia maybe? Looks nice. -16 sets high performance pixel rendering pipelines It's got 2 GPU's on 1 card. Would that work the same way as dual processors? As it it won't help most programs unless it's programmed for 2. The cost would be rediculous too. __________________ Athlon64 3400+ @10.5x250MHz, 2.625GHz \| DFI NF3 250GB 2x512 Corsair pc3200 \| BFG FX6800 OC 128MB \| X-Fi XtremeGamer

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fivefeet8 &-)---\|--< Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Smallville Posts: 7,582	Re: A New Competitor to ATI and Nvidia maybe? I would like to see a Tile Based Rendering Engine like the KyroII's but with higher ddr/core speeds and be dx9/ps2 OGL1.5/2.0 compatible. I hear the PowerVR Series 5 may also be a contender soon. PowerVr technology is used in the Dreamcast and the Naomi2 arcade hardware. __________________ Play emulated games online Main Rig\|\|Intel Q6600@3.2 ghertz\|4x1gb DDR2 1066\|Asrock 1600sli 110db LGA 775\|EVGA 8800gtx@620/1450/975\|2x Seagate 160gb SATA150 Raid0\|250 gb Samsung SATA2 HD\|Seagate 7000.10 500gb HD\|NEC 3520 4x/8x DVD+R/RW DL burner\|Antec TP 650 watt\|40" Sony Bravia 1080p\|20.1" 5ms LCD 1680x1050 Native\|Logitec 5.1 Speaker System w/15" Sub\|Dual Boot Winows XP Pro/Vista 64bit\|\| 2nd Rig\|\|Athlon64 x2 3800+\|2x1 gig PC3200\|BFG Geforce 6800 Ultra OC @450/1250 agp\|60 gig Maxtor IDE HD 7200 RPM\|40 gig Maxtor IDE HD\|Asrock Dual SATA2\|Silver Aluminum ATX\|17" LCD\|\| 3rd Rig\|\|Athlon Xp 2800+\|1.5 gig PC2700\|BFG GeforceFx 5900 Ultra OC agp\|100 gig Maxtor SATA HD\|NF7-s rev2.0\|Nvidia Soundstorm MCP\|19" CRT\|\|

September 18th, 2003	#6 (permalink)
D.D. band Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HERE Posts: 4,574	Re: A New Competitor to ATI and Nvidia maybe? yahman!!! fivefeet- I too have marvelled at tile-based rendering . When I first heard of it, I was so amazed by the concept. In fact, that was why I bought a dreamcast . Too bad the kyro cards were slow and lacked support... BTW, the disadvantage of tile-based rendering : it would sorta "cheat" 3d mark cuz 03 is drawn from the back of the scene (IIRC). __________________ 1. Small, Cheap, Powerful - you can have only two 2. Everytime you engineer something foolproof, the world comes up with a better idiot. 3. 「学問とは虚栄である。」 The PS3 Cell Processor Explained Page, IBM Research's Introduction to Cell Multiprocessor and Cell Processor Programming Guide

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Alias >_< Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: East Coast, USA Posts: 924	Re: A New Competitor to ATI and Nvidia maybe? well, STMicro sold their stake in powervr, so imagination technologies (the developers of powervr) will need to find another company to help fund the next iteration of powervr... there's only 3 powervr btw (pcx/pcx2, series 2, kyro/kyroII <-second one was simply clocked higher). And GSDragoon, games don't need to be written to take advantage of it, only the drivers do (or 3dfx Voodoo5 and ATi's Maxx derivatives would've been useless). __________________ >_<

September 18th, 2003	#2 (permalink)
Andrew Hruska Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: somewhere Posts: 1,121	hmm. 3dfx ripoff.. me no like.. we all know you are jealous of my l33t system.

September 18th, 2003	#8 (permalink)
Regulus SEGA Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Nebraska, U.S. Posts: 1,579	Re: A New Competitor to ATI and Nvidia maybe? beh. Nothoing can compete with Nvidia and ATI, IMO....really, you can have only 2 major "competitors" in almost anything.......('cept consoles) __________________ SEGA owns you http://www.exemu.net

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fivefeet8 &-)---\|--< Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Smallville Posts: 7,582	Re: A New Competitor to ATI and Nvidia maybe? That's what they said about ATi when 3dfx and Nvidia was battling it out. Look it the situation now. More competition = more options, less prices, and better hardware. __________________ Play emulated games online Main Rig\|\|Intel Q6600@3.2 ghertz\|4x1gb DDR2 1066\|Asrock 1600sli 110db LGA 775\|EVGA 8800gtx@620/1450/975\|2x Seagate 160gb SATA150 Raid0\|250 gb Samsung SATA2 HD\|Seagate 7000.10 500gb HD\|NEC 3520 4x/8x DVD+R/RW DL burner\|Antec TP 650 watt\|40" Sony Bravia 1080p\|20.1" 5ms LCD 1680x1050 Native\|Logitec 5.1 Speaker System w/15" Sub\|Dual Boot Winows XP Pro/Vista 64bit\|\| 2nd Rig\|\|Athlon64 x2 3800+\|2x1 gig PC3200\|BFG Geforce 6800 Ultra OC @450/1250 agp\|60 gig Maxtor IDE HD 7200 RPM\|40 gig Maxtor IDE HD\|Asrock Dual SATA2\|Silver Aluminum ATX\|17" LCD\|\| 3rd Rig\|\|Athlon Xp 2800+\|1.5 gig PC2700\|BFG GeforceFx 5900 Ultra OC agp\|100 gig Maxtor SATA HD\|NF7-s rev2.0\|Nvidia Soundstorm MCP\|19" CRT\|\|

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RF Canadian Spaceman Join Date: May 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,594	Re: A New Competitor to ATI and Nvidia maybe? These will be interesting to see. For now im going to stick with ATi since nvidia ****ed me over with their chipset in terms of sound. __________________

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D.D. band Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HERE Posts: 4,574	Re: A New Competitor to ATI and Nvidia maybe? ? whats wrong with soundstorm? __________________ 1. Small, Cheap, Powerful - you can have only two 2. Everytime you engineer something foolproof, the world comes up with a better idiot. 3. 「学問とは虚栄である。」 The PS3 Cell Processor Explained Page, IBM Research's Introduction to Cell Multiprocessor and Cell Processor Programming Guide

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DarkAurora Back from the dead Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Seymour, TN Posts: 3,735	Re: A New Competitor to ATI and Nvidia maybe? I was interested in this card until I saw this: Up to 2.13GB bus bandwidth

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Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	Re: Re: A New Competitor to ATI and Nvidia maybe? The Voodoo 5 made good use of twin GPUs. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

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op3n_skill Finally!! :D Join Date: May 2003 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 1,840	Re: A New Competitor to ATI and Nvidia maybe? Err.. anybody tried Kyro cards(PowerVR)? OT, Is there PCI versions of the Kyro cards? i've been searching for another card for Dual-Monitor(Something not Nvidia)....... __________________ Member of "The Pessimistics Club" Last edited by op3n_skill; September 18th, 2003 at 13:18.

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Solid_Snake On Stand-by Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: find it in Asia Posts: 684	Re: A New Competitor to ATI and Nvidia maybe? wow! a knew competitor I heard Intel and AMD had a knew competitor and its name is said to be CRUSOE somethin' like that for Filipinos I watch convergence @ net-25 thats where I heard about crusoe __________________

September 18th, 2003	#19 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	Re: A New Competitor to ATI and Nvidia maybe? anybody tried Kyro cards(PowerVR)? Yes, IIRC they suck quite badly. The raw performance in PC gmaes is fine, but anything specialised like emus tend to run badly with poor quality. OT, Is there PCI versions of the Kyro cards? I believe so, yes. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

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Raziel Beta Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Nantes, France Posts: 6,150	Re: A New Competitor to ATI and Nvidia maybe? Crusoe is a chip for/pocket PCs PDAs. __________________ System Specs: OS: Windows Vista Ultimate x64 Edition CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 @4GHz Video Card: MSI GeForce 8800 GTX Motherboard: ASUS Maximus Formula SE RAM: 4GB OCZ XMS2 PC6400 Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS

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