Radeon 9100 uses 8500 GPU?

Omegainf · May 23rd, 2003

http://www.busitek2000.com/forms/bsttest/spark9100.html

Is it true? If so, what makes it different from the radeon 8500?

Chinoz · May 23rd, 2003

The 9100 IIRC is just a renamed 8500
They renamed it so as not to confuse consumers between the 9000 and the 8500 (the 8500 is better)

**Demigod** · May 23rd, 2003

Yup, ATI renamed and re-released the Radeon 8500 as the Radeon 9100. Strangely enough the Radeon 9100 costs less than the 9000 Pro, while having twice as many transistors.

Omegainf · May 23rd, 2003

WTF?! Now I'm confused! How can the 8500 be better than the 9000? Is it like the gf4mx which isn't a gf4 at all?

**Kane** · May 23rd, 2003

The 9000 is a castrated 8500 yes. ATi messed up thier numbering with the 9600 as well.

May 23rd, 2003

9500 beats 9600 right ?

**Kane** · May 23rd, 2003

Aye, but it was too expensive to produce IIRC.

Chinoz · May 23rd, 2003

>>WTF?! Now I'm confused! How can the 8500 be better than the 9000? Is it like the gf4mx which isn't a gf4 at all?
So now you know why they decided to rename it to the 9100 eh?

Blebekblebek · May 25th, 2003

ooow...

so 9100 is 8500 is that what u mean?

andré · May 25th, 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Blebekblebek
ooow...

so 9100 is 8500 is that what u mean?

yea...but it should be named the 9100 because it actually is better than the 9000

Blebekblebek · May 25th, 2003

okay now i get it...
but why the version 9000 is more expensive than 9100?well the diff is about 10-20$

May 25th, 2003

It's possible that ATI didn't intend for this to happen. Often times, manufacturers attempt to make a cheaper version of a certain card by cutting in certain areas and adding in others. It usually doesn't turn out as planned. Take my Matrox Millenium G450 for instance. The Millenium G400 is actually better than it. It just goes to show that you can't assume a card is better simply by looking at the model number.

Blebekblebek · May 25th, 2003

well i know...
but what i mean not looking by the number but by performance..

well as u know the 9000 just got 2 pipeline to cut the budget down...

well if 9100 is the 8500 (w/ 4 Pipeline) theoretically it has to be more expensive than 9000

Gamer1 · May 25th, 2003

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Originally posted by ShADoWFLaRe85
It's possible that ATI didn't intend for this to happen. Often times, manufacturers attempt to make a cheaper version of a certain card by cutting in certain areas and adding in others. It usually doesn't turn out as planned. Take my Matrox Millenium G450 for instance. The Millenium G400 is actually better than it. It just goes to show that you can't assume a card is better simply by looking at the model number.

Alot like the Geforce 4 ti 4800 se,

Sounds like it's all powerful, but it's really a a ti 4400 with 8x. Also the ti 4800 is better than it and the 4800 is just the 4600 with 8x AGP.

May 25th, 2003

Stupid naming systems to confuse those who dont check their hardware . make money off the careless , indeed O_o

zerocopy · May 25th, 2003

it's cheaper than a 9000 because ati had a lot of 8500 chipset's that were placed on stock so instead of letting it to waste they sold it at a new model no. the 9100

chp · May 25th, 2003

There is a big diff between ATI 8500 and 9100.... 9100 is a X8 AGP certified Chip...

zerocopy · May 25th, 2003

beside's that their exactly the same, they use the same chipset and all

**Shadow Lady** · May 26th, 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Gamer1
Alot like the Geforce 4 ti 4800 se,

Sounds like it's all powerful, but it's really a a ti 4400 with 8x. Also the ti 4800 is better than it and the 4800 is just the 4600 with 8x AGP.

If u think about this, the GF4TI 4800 is more powerful than a GF4ti4600, only cauze of the 8x interface? well, yeah if u are going to use the extra badwidht is more powerful

teh Second Edition (se) thingy? well... nvidia has been renaming his cards to this when are comparable to the original, but whit lower clock speeds (AFAIK) as the GF4mx440 and the GF4mx440-se

**Demigod** · May 26th, 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Blebekblebek
well as u know the 9000 just got 2 pipeline to cut the budget down...

Actually it has 4 pipelines. ATI just removed one TMU from each pipe so it ends up being 4x1 instead of 4x2 on the Radeon 8500. The second TMU comes in handy in multi-texturing situations, although the difference isn't really that significant.

Quote:

Originally posted by chp
There is a big diff between ATI 8500 and 9100.... 9100 is a X8 AGP certified Chip...

And you consider that a big difference? Let me assure you that there is practically no difference between AGP 4x and 8x. It's just a marketing gimmick, don't believe the hype.

May 23rd, 2003	#1 (permalink)
Omegainf Penadinho Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro Posts: 2,565	Radeon 9100 uses 8500 GPU? http://www.busitek2000.com/forms/bsttest/spark9100.html Is it true? If so, what makes it different from the radeon 8500? __________________

May 23rd, 2003	#2 (permalink)
Chinoz ... Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Desa Park, Key Ell, Malaysia Posts: 2,301	The 9100 IIRC is just a renamed 8500 They renamed it so as not to confuse consumers between the 9000 and the 8500 (the 8500 is better) __________________ System specs P4 2.6c \| Abit AI7 \| Radeon 9800pro \| 1024mb kingston ddr400 \| 120gb seagate sata \| 40mb wd \| And all the minor bits and pieces 3dMark2001SE

May 23rd, 2003	#3 (permalink)
Demigod これはバタスです Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 5,811	Yup, ATI renamed and re-released the Radeon 8500 as the Radeon 9100. Strangely enough the Radeon 9100 costs less than the 9000 Pro, while having twice as many transistors. __________________ CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 @ 2.66 Ghz (Yorkfield) Mobo: Intel DX48BT2 Memory: 2048 MB PC10600 DDR3 Videocard: PNY Geforce 9800 GX2 PCIe w/ 1024 MB GDDR3 Soundcard: On-board SigmaTel High Definition Audio Hard drive: 300 MB Maxtor & 1 TB Hitachi Optical drive: LG GGW-H20L (2x BD-R DL) OS: Microsoft Windows Vista (32-bit)

May 23rd, 2003	#4 (permalink)
Omegainf Penadinho Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro Posts: 2,565	WTF?! Now I'm confused! How can the 8500 be better than the 9000? Is it like the gf4mx which isn't a gf4 at all? __________________

May 23rd, 2003	#5 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	The 9000 is a castrated 8500 yes. ATi messed up thier numbering with the 9600 as well. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

May 23rd, 2003	#6 (permalink)
chaosblade Guest Posts: n/a	9500 beats 9600 right ?

May 23rd, 2003	#7 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	Aye, but it was too expensive to produce IIRC. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

May 23rd, 2003	#8 (permalink)
Chinoz ... Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Desa Park, Key Ell, Malaysia Posts: 2,301	>>WTF?! Now I'm confused! How can the 8500 be better than the 9000? Is it like the gf4mx which isn't a gf4 at all? So now you know why they decided to rename it to the 9100 eh? __________________ System specs P4 2.6c \| Abit AI7 \| Radeon 9800pro \| 1024mb kingston ddr400 \| 120gb seagate sata \| 40mb wd \| And all the minor bits and pieces 3dMark2001SE

May 25th, 2003	#9 (permalink)
Blebekblebek Kelelep di Laut Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Banjarmasin [Indonesia] Posts: 149	ooow... so 9100 is 8500 is that what u mean? __________________ ~ Blebekblebek ~ 500x130, 25k max

May 25th, 2003	#11 (permalink)
Blebekblebek Kelelep di Laut Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Banjarmasin [Indonesia] Posts: 149	okay now i get it... but why the version 9000 is more expensive than 9100?well the diff is about 10-20$ __________________ ~ Blebekblebek ~ 500x130, 25k max

May 25th, 2003	#12 (permalink)
ShADoWFLaRe85 Guest Posts: n/a	It's possible that ATI didn't intend for this to happen. Often times, manufacturers attempt to make a cheaper version of a certain card by cutting in certain areas and adding in others. It usually doesn't turn out as planned. Take my Matrox Millenium G450 for instance. The Millenium G400 is actually better than it. It just goes to show that you can't assume a card is better simply by looking at the model number.

May 25th, 2003	#13 (permalink)
Blebekblebek Kelelep di Laut Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Banjarmasin [Indonesia] Posts: 149	well i know... but what i mean not looking by the number but by performance.. well as u know the 9000 just got 2 pipeline to cut the budget down... well if 9100 is the 8500 (w/ 4 Pipeline) theoretically it has to be more expensive than 9000 __________________ ~ Blebekblebek ~ 500x130, 25k max

May 25th, 2003	#15 (permalink)
chaosblade Guest Posts: n/a	Stupid naming systems to confuse those who dont check their hardware . make money off the careless , indeed O_o

May 25th, 2003	#16 (permalink)
zerocopy Banned Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,953	it's cheaper than a 9000 because ati had a lot of 8500 chipset's that were placed on stock so instead of letting it to waste they sold it at a new model no. the 9100

May 25th, 2003	#17 (permalink)
chp Bip...Bip... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: on Earth Posts: 966	There is a big diff between ATI 8500 and 9100.... 9100 is a X8 AGP certified Chip... __________________ If god doesn't exist in our world, then...I will create god with my own hands!

May 25th, 2003	#18 (permalink)
zerocopy Banned Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,953	beside's that their exactly the same, they use the same chipset and all

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