Time of upgrading was at hand.

March 16th, 2003

Well I discovered my Radeon 9500 Pro was not working with my old Motherboard/. Due to compatibility issues. I don't care what ATI says tho. my board was AGP 2.0 compliant.

Anyhow. I ended up Buying an Albatron KX400 (Kt400 Chipset)

512 Megs of DDR333 memory.

And of course the Radeon 9500 Pro.

And I must say the performance increase of the card/new mainboard/cpu is incredible...

I was strugglin for 9,400 3dmarks with my old board... 16 bit mode and now doing 10,020 3dmarks at the default bench

and I broke 10k at absolute zero OCing settings. I am quite satisfied with my new machine..

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6162070

Sorry if this comes out as bragging. spent 19 hours trying to get it working. So I am kinda excited that I finally did it

**Yeloazndevil** · March 16th, 2003

so u finally got it to work.........wow u broke 10K without overclocking, impressive

zukeft · March 16th, 2003

I'm pretty happy that you got everything back to working and is finally functional. Congrats and enjoy.

dogulation000 · March 16th, 2003

I'm glad to hear it. However, don't expect overclocking. The Radeon 9500 Pro has a BIOS that resets back to the original clock settings. But seriously, with a card like a Raeon 9500 Pro, who would need to overclock it?

Here's the link to Rage3D Tweak: http://www.rage3d.com/r3dtweak/

And here's the link to drivers: http://mirror.ati.com/support/driver.html

Hanamichi · March 16th, 2003

You can flash warp11's BIOS and then overclock it.
Glad to hear that you got your problems fixed Chrisray. Finnaly got DDR RAM have you?

How much did all of them cost, BTW?

March 16th, 2003

Everything?

Well I bought a new Power Supply, New Mobo, DDR 333 512 Memory, Radeon 9500 Pro.

About 450 US dollars.

This Kt400 mobo is nice!

Albatron makes some fin products

Chinoz · March 16th, 2003

Hehe chrisray's seriously broke
9400 with your old board you say?
i struggled with 8088 on a 360/320 95p and am still struggling
guess i really need ddr.....
*12si looks at the sinxp1394 and starts to drool...*

Player-X · March 16th, 2003

I wonder how can I break 10K in 3dMark without O/Cing,other than buying a new processor

ShadowDancer · March 16th, 2003

I did 3DMark03 out of curiosity: http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=439062

Here's 3DMark2001: http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6162332

It's not as high as ChrisRay... must be my mobo and ram.. I guess.

Hanamichi · March 16th, 2003

Nice. Now a CPU upgrade would be in order.

And you need a new puter profile...

PlayerX: What have you againts overclocking anyway?
As for my 3DMarkscore, I got something like early 12000 without overclocking. I should try pushing my rig to the max then running 3DMark sometime.

Player-X · March 16th, 2003

I am not against it,It's just my Polamino won't allow me to o/c due to the 60C+ temps

Either I get a Barton 3000+ or a TBred-a/b and o/c it to 3000+ speeds

March 16th, 2003

My only real issue with this Radeon 9500 Pro is it runs alot hotter than my Geforce 4 did.
I have had to supply additional cooling to keep it from locking up

Hanamichi · March 16th, 2003

You can try removing the shim. I recall you saying you'll never touch that, but thats one of the ways. You can also remove that 0.07amps joker in there and hang a 80mm using wires on the heatsink.I have my modded Intel fan on it with the heatsink lapped and shim removed and it still gets too hot. $%*#...

Well PlayerX, I suppose if youre hardcore you could lower the multiplier but up the FSB. You could push a little more performance doing that.

GSDragoon · March 16th, 2003

Isn't the Radeon 9500 Pro better than a GeForce 4 ti4600? I got 10k with my GF4 4200 with no O/Cing whatsoever. You do have a slower CPU and killed me in the shaders though.

Hanamichi · March 16th, 2003

The 9500PRO performs about equally with a 4600 without AA and AF. It loses to the 4600 in some tests and wins in the others. It loses more tests than it wins though.
However, turn on FSAA and it outperforms the 4600 by a considerable margin.

March 16th, 2003

Well I am only running an Athlon XP 1600+ 3dmark2001 is also CPU limited.

I'm sure in 3dmark2003 thigns would be a different story but I doubt I will ever use that benchmark...

CPUs are just as important in todays games as graphic cards...

March 16th, 2003

Anyway han. it was a lot of fun putting together the new machine. It feels like ages since I put a machine together

zukeft · March 16th, 2003

>I have had to supply additional cooling to keep it from locking up

When did that happen? What did you do to fix that?

So I guess you're slightly disappointed from what I can tell.

Player-X · March 16th, 2003

>I have had to supply additional cooling to keep it from locking up

That shoudn't happen

March 16th, 2003

Not really disapointed. Annoyed maybe that the card required more cooling than stock allowed. But it works so what can I say?

The new system is running great. It just locked up when my room tempature was way up.

March 16th, 2003	#1 (permalink)
ChrisRay Guest Posts: n/a	Time of upgrading was at hand. Well I discovered my Radeon 9500 Pro was not working with my old Motherboard/. Due to compatibility issues. I don't care what ATI says tho. my board was AGP 2.0 compliant. Anyhow. I ended up Buying an Albatron KX400 (Kt400 Chipset) 512 Megs of DDR333 memory. And of course the Radeon 9500 Pro. And I must say the performance increase of the card/new mainboard/cpu is incredible... I was strugglin for 9,400 3dmarks with my old board... 16 bit mode and now doing 10,020 3dmarks at the default bench and I broke 10k at absolute zero OCing settings. I am quite satisfied with my new machine.. http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6162070 Sorry if this comes out as bragging. spent 19 hours trying to get it working. So I am kinda excited that I finally did it

March 16th, 2003	#3 (permalink)
zukeft Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Bogota, Colombia Posts: 1,157	I'm pretty happy that you got everything back to working and is finally functional. Congrats and enjoy. __________________ Flaretech.biz web hosting

March 16th, 2003	#7 (permalink)
Chinoz ... Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Desa Park, Key Ell, Malaysia Posts: 2,301	Hehe chrisray's seriously broke 9400 with your old board you say? i struggled with 8088 on a 360/320 95p and am still struggling guess i really need ddr..... 12si looks at the sinxp1394 and starts to drool... __________________ System specs P4 2.6c \| Abit AI7 \| Radeon 9800pro \| 1024mb kingston ddr400 \| 120gb seagate sata \| 40mb wd \| And all the minor bits and pieces 3dMark2001SE

March 16th, 2003	#13 (permalink)
Hanamichi Crotally Tazy Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Malaysia Posts: 4,573	You can try removing the shim. I recall you saying you'll never touch that, but thats one of the ways. You can also remove that 0.07amps joker in there and hang a 80mm using wires on the heatsink.I have my modded Intel fan on it with the heatsink lapped and shim removed and it still gets too hot. $%#... Well PlayerX, I suppose if youre hardcore you could lower the multiplier but up the FSB. You could push a little more performance doing that. Last edited by Hanamichi; March 16th, 2003 at 04:43.*

March 16th, 2003	#14 (permalink)
GSDragoon Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,970	Isn't the Radeon 9500 Pro better than a GeForce 4 ti4600? I got 10k with my GF4 4200 with no O/Cing whatsoever. You do have a slower CPU and killed me in the shaders though. __________________ Athlon64 3400+ @10.5x250MHz, 2.625GHz \| DFI NF3 250GB 2x512 Corsair pc3200 \| BFG FX6800 OC 128MB \| X-Fi XtremeGamer

March 16th, 2003	#2 (permalink)
Yeloazndevil :3 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 10,147	so u finally got it to work.........wow u broke 10K without overclocking, impressive

March 16th, 2003	#4 (permalink)
dogulation000 The Upcoming Rookie Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 614	I'm glad to hear it. However, don't expect overclocking. The Radeon 9500 Pro has a BIOS that resets back to the original clock settings. But seriously, with a card like a Raeon 9500 Pro, who would need to overclock it? Here's the link to Rage3D Tweak: http://www.rage3d.com/r3dtweak/ And here's the link to drivers: http://mirror.ati.com/support/driver.html

March 16th, 2003	#5 (permalink)
Hanamichi Crotally Tazy Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Malaysia Posts: 4,573	You can flash warp11's BIOS and then overclock it. Glad to hear that you got your problems fixed Chrisray. Finnaly got DDR RAM have you? How much did all of them cost, BTW?

March 16th, 2003	#6 (permalink)
ChrisRay Guest Posts: n/a	Everything? Well I bought a new Power Supply, New Mobo, DDR 333 512 Memory, Radeon 9500 Pro. About 450 US dollars. This Kt400 mobo is nice! Albatron makes some fin products

March 16th, 2003	#8 (permalink)
Player-X Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: From Kuching in Malaysia now stuck in Houston Texas Posts: 9,110	I wonder how can I break 10K in 3dMark without O/Cing,other than buying a new processor

March 16th, 2003	#9 (permalink)
ShadowDancer Heh... Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 1,899	I did 3DMark03 out of curiosity: http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=439062 Here's 3DMark2001: http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6162332 It's not as high as ChrisRay... must be my mobo and ram.. I guess.

March 16th, 2003	#10 (permalink)
Hanamichi Crotally Tazy Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Malaysia Posts: 4,573	Nice. Now a CPU upgrade would be in order. And you need a new puter profile... PlayerX: What have you againts overclocking anyway? As for my 3DMarkscore, I got something like early 12000 without overclocking. I should try pushing my rig to the max then running 3DMark sometime.

March 16th, 2003	#11 (permalink)
Player-X Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: From Kuching in Malaysia now stuck in Houston Texas Posts: 9,110	I am not against it,It's just my Polamino won't allow me to o/c due to the 60C+ temps Either I get a Barton 3000+ or a TBred-a/b and o/c it to 3000+ speeds

March 16th, 2003	#12 (permalink)
ChrisRay Guest Posts: n/a	My only real issue with this Radeon 9500 Pro is it runs alot hotter than my Geforce 4 did. I have had to supply additional cooling to keep it from locking up

March 16th, 2003	#15 (permalink)
Hanamichi Crotally Tazy Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Malaysia Posts: 4,573	The 9500PRO performs about equally with a 4600 without AA and AF. It loses to the 4600 in some tests and wins in the others. It loses more tests than it wins though. However, turn on FSAA and it outperforms the 4600 by a considerable margin.

March 16th, 2003	#16 (permalink)
ChrisRay Guest Posts: n/a	Well I am only running an Athlon XP 1600+ 3dmark2001 is also CPU limited. I'm sure in 3dmark2003 thigns would be a different story but I doubt I will ever use that benchmark... CPUs are just as important in todays games as graphic cards...

March 16th, 2003	#17 (permalink)
ChrisRay Guest Posts: n/a	Anyway han. it was a lot of fun putting together the new machine. It feels like ages since I put a machine together

March 16th, 2003	#18 (permalink)
zukeft Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Bogota, Colombia Posts: 1,157	>I have had to supply additional cooling to keep it from locking up When did that happen? What did you do to fix that? So I guess you're slightly disappointed from what I can tell. __________________ Flaretech.biz web hosting

March 16th, 2003	#19 (permalink)
Player-X Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: From Kuching in Malaysia now stuck in Houston Texas Posts: 9,110	>I have had to supply additional cooling to keep it from locking up That shoudn't happen

March 16th, 2003	#20 (permalink)
ChrisRay Guest Posts: n/a	Not really disapointed. Annoyed maybe that the card required more cooling than stock allowed. But it works so what can I say? The new system is running great. It just locked up when my room tempature was way up.

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