AMD"s competitive days are over

Well it was a good run for AMD, But its no surprise really, they have not been able to compete since the Palemino core became unusable for there newer Athlon XP

What does this mean? AMD will always be a second hand to intel and we can expect proccessors chips from them to much weaker in the future as AMD seems to be going back to Value market.

http://slashdot.org/articles/02/11/2....shtml?tid=142

While this is not gaurenteed news, its really no surprise considering whats been happening to AMD, Branching out will generate them funds, But gone are the competitive days of AMD with intel proccessors me thinketh...


When intel started cutting prices to be competitive with AMD Chips they pretty much destroyed AMD. There was no way AMD could compete.


*Edit* More information directly from the horses mouth, AMD branching off. AMD just cannot compete with intel right now. So they are moving to newer markets.

While AMD's interpretation is not quite as bleak sounding. (What PR gonna make it sound bleak? Its pretty much cut cold that Intel is going to hold the industry.,

Kinda sad considering the Nforce 2 just came out

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/V...~62734,00.html

[jegHegy]

i don't want to have an intel CPU in the future ;__;

nyaa

[Ali]

The AMD management is currently facing a situation where they have to make a decision for their future not the present, what I mean is that they are in a course of making a long term plan. If AMD continues to keep competing with Intel in the PC processor market, then they will be diverting all their available resources to take the lead, and the returns from this market, as we have seen from the past four quater, were like disasterous, and Intel is a very hardass competetor, they can beat AMD without putting all they have into the research, and keep up with the other market standards, the bottom line to this is that intel has much bigger capacity then AMD.

AMD wants to make its mark in other markets so that if one fails the other backs its financial needs up, if they keep themselves here then they would one day run in liquidation, and the way AMD is going think they won't last more then 3 more years. So if in this time they develop themselves in other markets, they would prevail.

Ali

[Hanamichi]

So the days where crap gets darn expensive will come again. It was interesting when the price wars lasted, but I guess good things come to an end.

Originally posted by Ali
The AMD management is currently facing a situation where they have to make a decision for their future not the present, what I mean is that they are in a course of making a long term plan. If AMD continues to keep competing with Intel in the PC processor market, then they will be diverting all their available resources to take the lead, and the returns from this market, as we have seen from the past four quater, were like disasterous, and Intel is a very hardass competetor, they can beat AMD without putting all they have into the research, and keep up with the other market standards, the bottom line to this is that intel has much bigger capacity then AMD.

AMD wants to make its mark in other markets so that if one fails the other backs its financial needs up, if they keep themselves here then they would one day run in liquidation, and the way AMD is going think they won't last more then 3 more years. So if in this time they develop themselves in other markets, they would prevail.

Ali

Completely agree with you. This is a Sega move, And made at the right time IMO(unlike Sega), Instead of fighting a hopeless battle with intel AMD is going to save itself before it goes under.

But unfortunately we are going to end up in the same scenerio we were in during the 166mhz through 600 Mhz era) where Intel was completely dominating the performance market and AMD was merely a value solution similar to Cyrix. I hope that doesn't come to pass. And with intel controlling the high end market. Technology will slow down (perhaps this is good. It will give developers time to optimize for newer technology)

But for a tweaker power user, This is only bad news.

[Ali]

AMD will not surrender the PC market, it will keep on making its progress there, but not as agressive as Intel. Like U said AMD would be like second hand to Intel, this is bad but belive me once AMD makes itself AMD, and grabs market attention, then it would be bye bye for Intel, but this is in plans, too bad.

So the days where crap gets darn expensive will come again. It was interesting when the price wars lasted, but I guess good things come to an end.

What I think is that, since Intel would be the one reaching the target speeds first, so their product would be very expensive, but when AMD would reach it, it would be the same old days, most people like me will be unaffected since I upgrade when things get common, regular upgraders would suffer quite a lot.

Ali

[AtomicFeline]

Originally posted by jegHegy
i don't want to have an intel CPU in the future ;__;

nyaa

Looks like that's whats gonna happen, ne? I was already looking at the new Intel CPU's, and I'm thinking about upgrading. Let's face it, I would rather spend less for a 2.53 Ghz than for a rare and hard to find XP 2800+.

[Carnage]

just when i have enough money to upgrade...sjeez,what a timing

[Demigod]

Well AMD's been in some trouble since the Thoroughbred days. 2002 was just not their year and they lost a lot more this year than any other. It's been clear for some time that they're no longer able to compete with Intel. I've had a lot of doubts about AMD in the past few months and this only confirms my suspicions. Although AMD keeps pumping out faster Athlon XPs it's been established that the only thing that can possibly save them now is their next-generation Hammer, which has been repeatedly delayed. With the Prescott and Springdale on the horizon I think this was a smart move by AMD. They'd waste a lot of effort trying to compete with Intel's next-generation high-end chips, plus the value market is wide open right now (I would never consider the newer Celerons good value) and can bring in some good profits (most people buy PCs in the low-mid range). They need to focus on making profits and staying alive.

I think ChrisRay is right though, CPUs are just getting way too fast. No one really needs a 3 Ghz CPU. The only reason these fast CPUs exist is because of competition. Intel and AMD spend a significant amount of resources on developing faster chips just to out-do each other and claim the coveted performance crown. Intel has much deeper pockets though and AMD's financial limitations finally caught up with them.

Well, like all good things it must eventually come to an end. AMD had a good run with the Athlon and scared the hell out of Intel for a time. Intel inevitably bounced back though. Although I'm openly pro-Intel I think the competition AMD provided was a god-send. I love technology as much as the next techy and AMD really pushed Intel to go the extra mile. I imagine prices would inevitably return to the way they were back in the Pentium I/II days. I think if people wanted an upgrade now would be the perfect time, before prices skyrocket.

[campi]

Well I will stick to AMD untill the last breath, I hate Intel like I hate M$

[cooliscool]

Damn, and I was thinking of getting an XP.

I really hope prices don't get as high as back in the PI/II days like Demigod said.

[shinji^]

I thought of buying an AMD earlier.. but for now, i don't think so

[Gamer1]

I really think that now is a great time to get an athlon xp. shinji, go ahead and get the athlons xps right now before amd goes back to the value market.

since i am not a regular upgrader and flat broke, amd is still for me. amd has always been second because they don't have the money to develop processors. but when they do, they are alot better than its intel counterpart, but by that time... intel has another ace up its sleeve.

u know what's funny... my sister works for intel (oregon), my uncle works for intel (philippines). and i'm hoping to get a job soon at intel so i could get enough money to buy an Athlon 2600+.

Originally posted by Gamer1
I really think that now is a great time to get an athlon xp. shinji, go ahead and get the athlons xps right now before amd goes back to the value market.

since i am not a regular upgrader and flat broke, amd is still for me. amd has always been second because they don't have the money to develop processors. but when they do, they are alot better than its intel counterpart, but by that time... intel has another ace up its sleeve.

u know what's funny... my sister works for intel (oregon), my uncle works for intel (philippines). and i'm hoping to get a job soon at intel so i could get enough money to buy an Athlon 2600+.

Shoot if I worked for Intel I'd expect a free Intel proccessor every 3 months

[Sniper]

I don't think AMD will dies off, since all OEM are waiting for hammer, many mother board manufacture also waiting for hammer, so they may just able to keep a niche market in pc world

[reever2]

Originally posted by Demigod


I think ChrisRay is right though, CPUs are just getting way too fast. No one really needs a 3 Ghz CPU. The only reason these fast CPUs exist is because of competition. Intel and AMD spend a significant amount of resources on developing faster chips just to out-do each other and claim the coveted performance crown. Intel has much deeper pockets though and AMD's financial limitations finally caught up with them.

Don't worry, Intel already said they wont be making anything above 3.40ghz until they find some sort of technological breakthrough in cpu technology

[Demigod]

They won't die, as long as they have a market to sell to. AMD has done very well in the value market in the past. Sure it's not as pretigious as the high-end market but they'll be better off financially. It can't possibly be worse than their current situation.

Originally posted by Gamer1
since i am not a regular upgrader and flat broke, amd is still for me. amd has always been second because they don't have the money to develop processors. but when they do, they are alot better than its intel counterpart, but by that time... intel has another ace up its sleeve.

A lot of it has to do with marketing though. AMD didn't market their products properly and has repeatedly failed to penetrate the corporate, IT and server markets. The Athlon MPs were good processors but didn't find a place in the target market due to AMD's crappy endorsement of the chip. They were too squarely focused on the consumer market, using lower prices to attract customers. They should have expanded into other markets a long time ago. They can't really challenge Intel's domain with just one line of products. It's kinda like domination in UT. You can't really win by just holding onto one position. You have to expand and take on other points to dominate the field.

[zukeft]

What's the point of making a fast motor if you can't get any real mileage out of it? Sad to hear that about AMD though. While I don't mind AMD backing out of the "fastest processor ever" race, I wouldn't want them to back out of the entire race. I mean, what other worthwhile options are there for HQ processors other than AMD and Intel?

[Ryos]

> While this is not gaurenteed news, its really no surprise considering whats been happening to AMD, Branching out will generate them funds, But gone are the competitive days of AMD with intel proccessors me thinketh...

AMD was never a serious competitor. Superior marketing of an inferior product always wins against inferior marketing of a superior product.

AMD was never a serious competitor. Superior marketing of an inferior product always wins against inferior marketing of a superior product.

Well I don't agree with you about AMD not being serious. For a while they were very serious about competing with Intel for the fastest chips on the market. And winning the price war as well. But because of inferior marketing it was never realized.

When they lost ground, with the t-bred core they never got it back. Palamino was AMDS strong point. Expecially when Intel was releasing that crappy Willingtom Core.