Possible New Video Card

October 19th, 2002

Okay, I currently have a GF4 TI 4600 and I am extremely satisfied w/it. But, Fry's Electronics, a store near where I live, recently advertised an OEM Radeon 9700 Pro for $299. I have heard that the Radeon 9700 Pro is a better card than the GF4 TI 4600. Now my questions are, is the 9700 that much better than the TI 4600 and if so, should i take advantage of this sale price and purchase one and then replace my TI 4600? Or should I stay with my TI 4600, which as I said I am extremely satisfied with, and wait for the NV30, which is supposed to top the 9700 pro, to come out? Thanks for any advice and replies.
sincerely,
sx/amiga

**Razor Blade** · October 19th, 2002

I would stick with the Geforce 4 if I were you. Until they make a card that will make your jaw drop then stick with it. I only upgrade when somethng looks a whole lot better. Like I used to have an 8 meg now I have a 64 meg the next one is gonna be 128 or 256! Hehe but until that day I'm not gonna. Beleive me stick with the card! And yes I know 128 is out now! I'm not dumb.

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Ali · October 19th, 2002

Well sxamiga I think U should wait for NV30, why? cause ur system and Vcard would give U more then required performance for the new upcoming. With full detailed gfx and resolution. Since U seem to be extremely satisfied, therefore this deal won't be much useful. Wait for NV30!

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Ninjaa · October 19th, 2002

GET THE RADEON!!!!!!!!!!

If you have the money, and can get a deal on the card, just do it. That card is the sweetest thing I have seen since watching Jennifer Love Hewitt wag her butt around in The Tuxedo! The card is supposed to be about 30% faster than a GeForce4 Ti, and handles FSAA a lot better. Did I mention it supports TruForm as well?

October 19th, 2002

I wouldn't sxamiga. Not because the Radeon 9700 is a bad card, And thats a pretty good deal.

But the upgrade just isn't a logical upgrade. You'll see a performance increase alright. But I don't see how its gonna warrant that huge wad of cash missing in your wallet.

Quite honestly if I were in your shoes. I'd just wait for the Nv35, And then do a massive overhaul on your PC.

But if you really dig Running games at 1280+1024 Reso with 4X FSAA + 16 x anistropic filtering. By All means go for it. otherwise just wait till you see competition for the card. Then you can make a more subjective decision.

yakumo fujii · October 19th, 2002

Umm since there ain't much of a performance gain after you switch from Ti4600 to Radeon 9700, I'd say no to the upgrade. It's a lot of money for small performance gain. Unless you plan to overclock it after a better driver comes out...

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**Demigod** · October 19th, 2002

The Radeon 9700 Pro is significantly faster than the GF4 but you'll only see the speed benefits in high resolutions (1024+) with FSAA and anisotropic filtering. At lower resolutions they pretty much even out. You'd also need a very fast CPU (Anandtech tested with a P4 2.53 Ghz) to keep the card well fed. The card is pretty fast though. At 1280x1024 it's around 30% faster than the GF4 Ti 4600 and with FSAA and 16x anisotropic filtering enabled it is more than twice as fast (100%+). It really depends on the type of gamer you are. If you like playing at high resolutions with 4xFSAA and anisotropic filtering and want the fastest frame rates then the Radeon 9700 is right up your alley. However, if you're satisfied with the performance of your current card then just keep it for now and look for another opportunity. $299 US is a lot of money to spend on a videocard and you'll only see the benefits at the highest quality settings. For PSX emulation in general it shouldn't make any difference at all.

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October 19th, 2002

Just to round off what demigod says. In emulation you'll see absolutely no difference. As your geforce 4 Card is hardly strained by emulation right now.

**Shadow Lady** · October 19th, 2002

mmm... I dont think he only want it to emulation ^^

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Ninjaa · October 19th, 2002

Just a quick question for all the people suggesting to wait for the NV30: Why?

nVidia still hasn't really shown anything about the card yet, and for all we know it performs at the same speed as the Radeon 9700. At any rate, the Radeon 9700 is still the king of the hill for a good long while, as we won't see an NV30 on shelves for a while. If sx/amiga wants the latest and fastest video card right now, and he can get it for a good price, then there is no better one to have.

average_guy · October 19th, 2002

conclusion: GET A RADEON 9700 PRO if you got the ca$h (then sell gf4 ti4600 to someone else)

October 20th, 2002

Quote:

Originally posted by Ninja
Just a quick question for all the people suggesting to wait for the NV30: Why?

nVidia still hasn't really shown anything about the card yet, and for all we know it performs at the same speed as the Radeon 9700. At any rate, the Radeon 9700 is still the king of the hill for a good long while, as we won't see an NV30 on shelves for a while. If sx/amiga wants the latest and fastest video card right now, and he can get it for a good price, then there is no better one to have.

Eh? I suggested him wait for the nv35, That the jump to the Radeon 9700 wouldn't be that big for him.

Not to warrant spending 300 bucks on the card. But thats my opinion.

average_guy · October 20th, 2002

you could try to overclock ur 4ti4600

(i can't no way be held responsible if u destroyed it)

vivrantpig · October 20th, 2002

get teh radeon and give me ur gf4

average_guy · October 20th, 2002

i buy any card (cheap) that is better than my tnt2. seriously.

**Betamax** · October 20th, 2002

Well I don't really see the need to upgrade that card yet. I still have a gf 3 and it still flies on most games. I'd hang on for a couple of months til your present card "matures" a bit.

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**Razor Blade** · October 20th, 2002

Like I said in the begining, Stick with your card and wait to buy one when the difference in graphics is way etter. BTW: I agree with you betamax. I hope your reading this too sxamiga!

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**Shadow Lady** · October 20th, 2002

www.nv30.com

Ninja: see there why ^^

anyway I should wait for the new matrox to be released, that one is really impressive ;P

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**Demigod** · October 20th, 2002

Quote:

Originally posted by Blade_Jae
Like I said in the begining, Stick with your card and wait to buy one when the difference in graphics is way etter. BTW: I agree with you betamax. I hope your reading this too sxamiga!

They're not going to get much better than the Radeon 9700, believe me. The R300 rocks the boat in both quality and performance. It has very efficient, bandwidth-saving anisotropic filtering for excellent, crisp 3D graphics and is more than twice as fast as the GF4 when FSAA is enabled. When I first saw the benchmarks of it it just made my jaw drop. I couldn't believe how much faster it was compared to the GF4. Feature-wise it's also superior, as it is the world's first DX9 compliant card.

Quote:

Originally posted by Shadow Lady
www.nv30.com

Ninja: see there why ^^

It's pretty much the same as the Radeon 9700 except it is built on a smaller die (0.13 µon) and has fewer transistors (R300 has ~100 million). It should have a faster core and better multi-texturing capabilities compared to the R300 but that's about it. It's nothing revolutionary compared to the Radeon 9700 (although it is to the GF4).

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Originally posted by Shadow Lady
anyway I should wait for the new matrox to be released, that one is really impressive ;P

Not really. The Matrox Parhelia is out already and it's not really that fast. It performs on par with the Radeon 8500 in most situations. It's not for gamers (and Matrox admitted they weren't aiming for the gaming market), but more for graphics artists and corporate users. Its tiple-head feature is pretty impressive, as well as its 10 gigabit color.

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average_guy · October 20th, 2002

so is gf4ti4600 better than r9700 pro?

October 19th, 2002	#1 (permalink)
sxamiga Guest Posts: n/a	Possible New Video Card Okay, I currently have a GF4 TI 4600 and I am extremely satisfied w/it. But, Fry's Electronics, a store near where I live, recently advertised an OEM Radeon 9700 Pro for $299. I have heard that the Radeon 9700 Pro is a better card than the GF4 TI 4600. Now my questions are, is the 9700 that much better than the TI 4600 and if so, should i take advantage of this sale price and purchase one and then replace my TI 4600? Or should I stay with my TI 4600, which as I said I am extremely satisfied with, and wait for the NV30, which is supposed to top the 9700 pro, to come out? Thanks for any advice and replies. sincerely, sx/amiga

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October 19th, 2002	#2 (permalink)
Razor Blade Locked and Loaded Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I AM CANADIAN! Posts: 12,032	I would stick with the Geforce 4 if I were you. Until they make a card that will make your jaw drop then stick with it. I only upgrade when somethng looks a whole lot better. Like I used to have an 8 meg now I have a 64 meg the next one is gonna be 128 or 256! Hehe but until that day I'm not gonna. Beleive me stick with the card! And yes I know 128 is out now! I'm not dumb. __________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Core 2 Duo T7300 2.0 GHz ● NVIDIA GeForce 8400GS ● 2GB DDR2 RAM Hitachi 120GB HD ● Dual Layer DVD+/-RW Drive ● Windows Vista Home Premium ● Dell 2007WFP LCD ● Dell XPS M1330 Laptop ● 1TB Western Digital MyBook External HD ● Logitech Z10 Speakers ● PLAYSTATION 3 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

October 19th, 2002	#3 (permalink)
Ali CoLD InSiDE Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 2,615	Well sxamiga I think U should wait for NV30, why? cause ur system and Vcard would give U more then required performance for the new upcoming. With full detailed gfx and resolution. Since U seem to be extremely satisfied, therefore this deal won't be much useful. Wait for NV30! Ali __________________ AMD Athlon XP 2100 @ 1.75 Ghz Gigabyte GA-7VA.XP VIA K400 1.25GB PC3200 System Ram ChainTech GeForCe4 TI 4200 128MB Creative SB Live! 5.1 2x WD Caviar 120GBs and -Rom1 Maxtor 40GB LiteON 16x DVD-Rw WindowsXP Professional-SP2 & Mandrake Linux

October 19th, 2002	#4 (permalink)
Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 7,778	GET THE RADEON!!!!!!!!!! If you have the money, and can get a deal on the card, just do it. That card is the sweetest thing I have seen since watching Jennifer Love Hewitt wag her butt around in The Tuxedo! The card is supposed to be about 30% faster than a GeForce4 Ti, and handles FSAA a lot better. Did I mention it supports TruForm as well?

October 19th, 2002	#5 (permalink)
ChrisRay Guest Posts: n/a	I wouldn't sxamiga. Not because the Radeon 9700 is a bad card, And thats a pretty good deal. But the upgrade just isn't a logical upgrade. You'll see a performance increase alright. But I don't see how its gonna warrant that huge wad of cash missing in your wallet. Quite honestly if I were in your shoes. I'd just wait for the Nv35, And then do a massive overhaul on your PC. But if you really dig Running games at 1280+1024 Reso with 4X FSAA + 16 x anistropic filtering. By All means go for it. otherwise just wait till you see competition for the card. Then you can make a more subjective decision.

October 19th, 2002	#6 (permalink)
yakumo fujii Nyo! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Home of Micro$$$oft Posts: 561	Umm since there ain't much of a performance gain after you switch from Ti4600 to Radeon 9700, I'd say no to the upgrade. It's a lot of money for small performance gain. Unless you plan to overclock it after a better driver comes out... __________________ I have no mouth but I must scream .

October 19th, 2002	#7 (permalink)
Demigod これはバタスです Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 5,871	The Radeon 9700 Pro is significantly faster than the GF4 but you'll only see the speed benefits in high resolutions (1024+) with FSAA and anisotropic filtering. At lower resolutions they pretty much even out. You'd also need a very fast CPU (Anandtech tested with a P4 2.53 Ghz) to keep the card well fed. The card is pretty fast though. At 1280x1024 it's around 30% faster than the GF4 Ti 4600 and with FSAA and 16x anisotropic filtering enabled it is more than twice as fast (100%+). It really depends on the type of gamer you are. If you like playing at high resolutions with 4xFSAA and anisotropic filtering and want the fastest frame rates then the Radeon 9700 is right up your alley. However, if you're satisfied with the performance of your current card then just keep it for now and look for another opportunity. $299 US is a lot of money to spend on a videocard and you'll only see the benefits at the highest quality settings. For PSX emulation in general it shouldn't make any difference at all. __________________ CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 Mobo: Intel DX48BT2 Memory: 8192 MB PC10600 DDR3 Videocard: PNY Geforce 9800 GX2 Soundcard: On-board SigmaTel High Definition Audio Hard drive: 1 TB Seagate & 1 TB Hitachi Optical drive: LG GGW-H20L (2x BD-R DL) PSU: Nexus 1000 Watt OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate (64-bit)

October 19th, 2002	#8 (permalink)
ChrisRay Guest Posts: n/a	Just to round off what demigod says. In emulation you'll see absolutely no difference. As your geforce 4 Card is hardly strained by emulation right now.

October 19th, 2002	#9 (permalink)
Shadow Lady Advanced Newbie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Bogotá... not that it matters... Posts: 5,792	mmm... I dont think he only want it to emulation ^^ __________________ Main Rig: Pentium Dual-Core E2160 @ 2.8GHz -- 9600GT @ 715/1033MHz -- 4GB DDR2-667 4-4-4-12 -- Windows Server 2008 SP2 Collecting dust: AMD Athlon XP 2600+ -- ATI Radeon 9500 Pro -- SB Live 5.1 Digital -- 2.5GB DDR 2-2-2-5 Ram -- Windows 2003 server r2 SP1

October 19th, 2002	#10 (permalink)
Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 7,778	Just a quick question for all the people suggesting to wait for the NV30: Why? nVidia still hasn't really shown anything about the card yet, and for all we know it performs at the same speed as the Radeon 9700. At any rate, the Radeon 9700 is still the king of the hill for a good long while, as we won't see an NV30 on shelves for a while. If sx/amiga wants the latest and fastest video card right now, and he can get it for a good price, then there is no better one to have.

October 19th, 2002	#11 (permalink)
average_guy Banned Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,865	conclusion: GET A RADEON 9700 PRO if you got the ca$h (then sell gf4 ti4600 to someone else)

October 20th, 2002	#13 (permalink)
average_guy Banned Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,865	you could try to overclock ur 4ti4600 (i can't no way be held responsible if u destroyed it)

October 20th, 2002	#14 (permalink)
vivrantpig (>^_^)> KIRBY Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,613	get teh radeon and give me ur gf4

October 20th, 2002	#15 (permalink)
average_guy Banned Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,865	i buy any card (cheap) that is better than my tnt2. seriously.

October 20th, 2002	#16 (permalink)
Betamax Resident Movie Critic Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland Posts: 9,508	Well I don't really see the need to upgrade that card yet. I still have a gf 3 and it still flies on most games. I'd hang on for a couple of months til your present card "matures" a bit. __________________ Superior marketing of an inferior product will always win over inferior marketing of a superior product.

October 20th, 2002	#17 (permalink)
Razor Blade Locked and Loaded Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I AM CANADIAN! Posts: 12,032	Like I said in the begining, Stick with your card and wait to buy one when the difference in graphics is way etter. BTW: I agree with you betamax. I hope your reading this too sxamiga! __________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Core 2 Duo T7300 2.0 GHz ● NVIDIA GeForce 8400GS ● 2GB DDR2 RAM Hitachi 120GB HD ● Dual Layer DVD+/-RW Drive ● Windows Vista Home Premium ● Dell 2007WFP LCD ● Dell XPS M1330 Laptop ● 1TB Western Digital MyBook External HD ● Logitech Z10 Speakers ● PLAYSTATION 3 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

October 20th, 2002	#18 (permalink)
Shadow Lady Advanced Newbie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Bogotá... not that it matters... Posts: 5,792	www.nv30.com Ninja: see there why ^^ anyway I should wait for the new matrox to be released, that one is really impressive ;P __________________ Main Rig: Pentium Dual-Core E2160 @ 2.8GHz -- 9600GT @ 715/1033MHz -- 4GB DDR2-667 4-4-4-12 -- Windows Server 2008 SP2 Collecting dust: AMD Athlon XP 2600+ -- ATI Radeon 9500 Pro -- SB Live 5.1 Digital -- 2.5GB DDR 2-2-2-5 Ram -- Windows 2003 server r2 SP1

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average_guy Banned Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,865	so is gf4ti4600 better than r9700 pro?