Possible New Video Card

[dogulation000]

Originally posted by Demigod79
Even if its DX9 features aren't applicable to any game its sheer speed and image quality more than justifies it.

Not to mention the best image quality to speed ratio ever seen.

Originally posted by sxamiga
Well just so everone knows, I picked up the 9700 pro today and installed it this evening. I've already noticed some differences in clarity on my Desktop over the the TI 4600. My web pages seem to load faster too. Tomorrow I'll really put it "through it's paces" with some games testing. I'll let everyone know how it does.
BTW, I also got my Sony Viao Laptop today as well. I'll be testing that one tomorrow as well.
sincerely,
sx/amiga

You must have a lot of money to buy both. I'm jealous. :o

Oh yeah, check this webpage out: Rage3D Tweak, it has a tweaker that allows you to mess around the speed and quality settings with a Radeon. (Even some options that you can't normally do with the config menu.)

WARNING: Be discreet on messing around the overclocking settings. Better yet, don't touch them.

Originally posted by Particleman


That's always the case though. There is always something better coming up. You have to buy something eventually or else you end up stuck with a TNT2 always waiting for the "next big thing". That's why it's usually best to just compare what's out there right now, or what's out there when you feel like you need a upgrade, and not get caught up in looking too far ahead at what's coming. IMO NV35 is looking too far ahead since NV30 isn't even out the door yet. R350 is probably going to be a .13u 9700 with an extra texture pipeline, and DDR-II. ATi has already demonstrated a 9700 running with DDR-II on techTV so it probably isn't that far off. But again none of this stuff is actually out yet.

ATI has learned from past mistakes, and is gearing up for a major push. It shows that ATI always had potential, it's just that they never knew how to use it properly until after they released their Radeon 8500. With their new standardized, well made drivers, redesigned hardware, ATI not only won the image quality, but the speed as well.... for now.

I guess it's about time that a company gave Nvidia a serious run for its money, don't you think?

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[average_guy]

Originally posted by dogulation000


I guess it's about time that a company gave Nvidia a serious run for its money, don't you think?

I think its time for you to learn not to post 3 posts alltogether.

[AtomicFeline]

ATI sucks. There are too many problems with ATI cards. I had a big problem with my old rage card. It was almost impossible to install. And, once I had it installed, the drivers wouldn't completly uninstall. My next video card (Voodoo 2) didn't like the old drivers. It was missing functionality.

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[dogulation000]

Originally posted by AtomicFeline
ATI sucks. There are too many problems with ATI cards. I had a big problem with my old rage card. It was almost impossible to install. And, once I had it installed, the drivers wouldn't completly uninstall. My next video card (Voodoo 2) didn't like the old drivers. It was missing functionality.

Yes, I feel you. That was, however, before they released the Radeon 9700, 9000, and Catalyst drivers. I've seen them in action, and I must say, I'm impressed.

[average_guy]

Originally posted by AtomicFeline
ATI sucks. There are too many problems with ATI cards. I had a big problem with my old rage card. It was almost impossible to install. And, once I had it installed, the drivers wouldn't completly uninstall. My next video card (Voodoo 2) didn't like the old drivers. It was missing functionality.

yes, those old rage card really suck, my on-board video is rage2, it sucks so as a voodoo2.(no offense to either ATI fan or 3Dfx fanboy)

[dogulation000]

Originally posted by average_guy



yes, those old rage card really suck, my on-board video is rage2, it sucks so as a voodoo2.(no offense to either ATI fan or 3Dfx fanboy)

Well rage cards did suck, but I didn't think Voodoo 2 was so bad.

[average_guy]

Originally posted by dogulation000


Well rage cards did suck, but I didn't think Voodoo 2 was so bad.

well it does now anyway.:eek:

[dogulation000]

Originally posted by average_guy



well it does now anyway.:eek:

Everything ages, so there. :o

[average_guy]

Originally posted by dogulation000


Everything ages, so there. :o

thank you sooooooo much for pointing that out dogulation000. :embl:

[Ninjaa]

sx/amiga, congratulations on your new card. I knew you wouldn't be able to resist. (Especially given the short life span of your GeForce3 Ti 200 in your system. )

Anyways, I would like to retract my previous statements given the article that Shadowlady posted. I am all for ATI's big entrance into the market, but I am afraid that I simply cannot pass up the prospect of a next-generation video card supporting glide. If that article is true, then I will no doubt become the owner of an NV30 based graphics card in the future. Glide is simply the best.

[Demigod]

I highly doubt the NV30 will support a dead API. Glide support is virtually non-existant nowadays, there would be no point in bringing it back. Also, Glide ran so well because it was on 3Dfx hardware, it wouldn't run nearly as well on Nvidia cards. The industry is currently pushing for programmable shader technology such as DirectX 9 and OpenGL 2.0. Glide has no place in this world anymore.

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Demigod, thanks for the link to 3dbenchmark. I'll download it tonight after I am done getting the newest Catalyst drivers for the Radeon. Then tomorrow I can test it and see what I get.
dogulation000, thanks for the link to Rage3D Tweak, that is just the utility I was looking for. From the way you describe it, it sounds like it does for the Radeon what Riva Tuner does for the TI 4600. Also, you do not need to worry about my messing w/the overclocking settings, because I won't be. As I have said before, I don't believe in overclocking. Thanks for the warning though.
average_guy, in case you are wondering if I did get the 9700 pro, I did and I am already impressed. I, a die hard Nvidia man, never thought I be saying this about another card. Also, my card cost $299, not $500. That is due to the fact that it is an OEM card in a plain white box.
Thanks for the kind words Ninja. I appears as if all you and Demigod were saying about the 9700 pro is true.
Thanks for all the views and advice everyone I really really appriecate it. Now, one word about the Sony Viao NVR23 Laptop, "To use it is to fall for it." It is a FANTASTIC machine.
BTW, in the screenshots section I'm going to be posting some shots I took of GENS running Sonic the Hedgehog using my new Radeon. In other pictures you'll find a shot of my Dancing Babies screen saver (Ali McBeal anyone?) also using the Radeon. Hope you like them.
sincerely,
sx/amiga

[ToM_E]

The Radeon 9700 is better but the NV30 is going to rape the Radeon 9700 so just save up your money and wait.

Heres a little information of NV30

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The speculation about nVidia's upcoming, NV30 based, chip is reaching a climax as the card is getting preped for launch. Most of the secrets of the card have already been discussed but the final piece of the NV30 puzzle, that of the memory used, has not yet been put in place.
As discussed in an earlier article, nVidia's Radeon Buster, will carry a 128 Bit memory interface while its rival the RADEON 9700 PRO uses double that. As can be expected most were shocked to hear that and were ready to write the new product off. It is unlikely however, that a competitive, driven company like nVidia would release a product which would be ouclassed by the competition from day one.

The latest information, leaked or not, suggests that the new chip will have a small surprise as far as memory clock speed is concerned. How do you compensate for a weak interface? Using what you've got effectively. Initial suggestions that nVidia would be using 700 or 800 MHz DDR memory were hurried and inaccurate.

Apparently nVidia, in December, will dish out the first graphics chip carrying the new DDR II memory. That claim alone is enough to raise a few eyebrows, since DDR II was not expected until Q1 2003 and many, including AMD, claim that it will not hit its market stride until 2004. Confused? If the card will utilize DDR II it will have to be available in extremely limited quantities in December, if at all. Strangely enough, Nvidia CEO, Jen Hsun did say he expected some new cards to be available in December.

If the new information is correct then the clock speed of the memory on the new card will be an astounding 1GHz.

A new chip with DDR II, 1GHz memory, approximately 400MHz faster than ATI's is a serious contender for the fastest graphics chip crown and is bound to push the RADEON 9700 PRO to its limits.

Since we almost know everything about nVidia's upcoming chip except for its name and there are bound to be more than a few comments on this article, why not suggest what name you would like it to have. (GeForce 5 replies will be overlooked)

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[Demigod]

Rumours are rumours. I want some facts.

One thing though, 128-bit DDR-II @ 1 Ghz should roughly be equivalent to 256-bit DDR @ 600 Mhz, right? Or does DDR-II use some other technology that I'm not aware of?

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[Particleman]

Actually 128-bit 1Ghz DDR-II only comes to 16 GB/s which is still less than 256-bit 620Mhz DDR which is 19 GB/s on the 9700. But of course everything is still a rumor so we have to wait till the actual launch to know for sure. DDR-II isn't a revolutionary step over DDR, just evolutionary, mainly improvements so it can hit higher clockspeeds, and some things to help keep manufacturing costs down.

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[Hanamichi]

Totally off topic, but I dont want to start a new thread about graphic cards just to ask this simple question. Will I experience worthwhile improvements if I get a 64MB Geforce4 MX440? Im currently using a 32MB Geforce2MX200. Im considering getting one since my friend is selling a brand new GF4MX440 for $52+my old GF2, as he already has a Ti4200 but accidentally bought another MX when buying a new pc. Should I go for it, or should I save up some more and get a Ti4200/4400/4600 like a month later? I've also heard unconfirmed news from dealers that there will be a major price drop on graphic cards during next month.

[Esturk]

Geez. You have the money to buy a Radeon 9700 Pro and an Nvidia GeForce 4 Ti4600..... I don't see the point in having both of them. I'd be happy with either one.

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[Hanamichi]

I'd already be happy with a Ti4200.
IIRC the GF4 Ti4600 was a gift from someone on his(sxamiga) birthday.

Originally posted by Demigod79
Rumours are rumours. I want some facts.

One thing though, 128-bit DDR-II @ 1 Ghz should roughly be equivalent to 256-bit DDR @ 600 Mhz, right? Or does DDR-II use some other technology that I'm not aware of?

Well it "is" possible they will use 256 Bit DDR2. it's been speculated. But I refuse to spend a lot of time speculating on a card thats gonna have its paper launch in exactly a month.

Nov 13th I believe.

[Craig Venom]

DDR II? Who makes it? Anyway since nv30 and Radeon 9700 take full advantages on DX9, I want to ask all of you here or wherever you are, does DX9 will help on our Geforce Generation from 2 to 4 Ti 4600 like more speed or better image since DX9 have all new technology like 2.0 pixel shader and better pipelines (am i correct?).
Can someone please tell me coz I always need a new DX that ever release. (now i'm stick with DX8.1, love'em)

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