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Esturk · October 22nd, 2002

I'm sure ATI will come out with something to beat the NV30.

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**Kane** · October 22nd, 2002

And nVidia will counter, and hopefully a true contender will appear out of nowhere.

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**_E_** · October 22nd, 2002

Well, there are some critics who believe that ATI is working on another chip at the sametime, so when nvidia release thier NV30, ATI will get their new chip on stores the moment after to stab nvidia on the back . There are alot or rumors going on, but on the other hand, this might happen

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**Kane** · October 22nd, 2002

I think it's more likely that when the NV30 arrives, ATi will release an updated version of the R300 (Radeon 9700) core.

We won't be able to guage anything till it arrives.

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October 22nd, 2002

Actually demigod. NWN Ati users will not be able to enable Shiny Water. No Radeon cards can enable shiny water... it was a perk specific to nvidia cards... Geforce 3 + that is..

Ali · October 22nd, 2002

These competitions are always healthy for the consumers, until they play the fair game.

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**Demigod** · October 22nd, 2002

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Originally posted by Lord Kane
I think it's more likely that when the NV30 arrives, ATi will release an updated version of the R300 (Radeon 9700) core.

We won't be able to guage anything till it arrives.

That is probable. ATI is rumoured to be moving to a 0.13 µon process soon which should allow them to add a second texture unit to the Radeon 9700 Pro.

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Craig Venom · October 22nd, 2002

Yeah and after that a new breed of army will rise. It is graphic card army. A new type of war, computers war that will never end...
Untill then both of them will lost their profit.

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**Demigod** · October 22nd, 2002

It's all about pride and reputation my friend, not profits (not directly anyways

). They each want to have the fastest GPU out there. The high-end market is very niche, not many people buy them due to the high price. It's the value/middle-end that get most of the sales. If you take a look at the ads in computer magazines you'll hardly ever find a GF4 Ti 4600 or a Radeon 9700 in the system specs. It's mostly GF2/4 MX and the occasional Radeon 256. However, having the fastest product will look better on you and raise your reputation, resulting in better stocks and more familiarity. ATI has garnered much respect from the gaming community with the Radeon 9700.

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October 22nd, 2002

Quite honestly I am "very" curious how the NV35 and R350 chips are going to look like.

I've never been one for first generation DX cards, (geforce 256, Geforce 3 Ti, and now the nv30) I like to generally wait till there next generation of DX generation cards...

IE NV15. NV 25. and next NV 35.

**_E_** · October 22nd, 2002

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Originally posted by ChrisRay
Quite honestly I am "very" curious how the NV35 and R350 chips are going to look like.

I've never been one for first generation DX cards, (geforce 256, Geforce 3 Ti, and now the nv30) I like to generally wait till there next generation of DX generation cards...

IE NV15. NV 25. and next NV 35.

Yeah, i agree with that. the REAL Nv30 (or the NV35 as Chrisray pointed out) is still underprocess. I dont think is wise to get an Nv30 when it comes out, but i would rather wait for the next generation.....

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Esturk · October 22nd, 2002

Quote:

Originally posted by Lord Kane
And nVidia will counter, and hopefully a true contender will appear out of nowhere.

That would be cool!

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**liquid** · October 22nd, 2002

I would like to have an ATI Radeon 9700pro or NV30 for the Bragg'n rights but it would be pointless to get one now, because there won't be any games that make use of the advanded features until sometime next year...and then there will be better cheaper cards

...but it sure is hard to resist haven bragg'n rights for a few months

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average_guy · October 22nd, 2002

are you sure $500 for bragg'n rights is worth it?

Particleman · October 22nd, 2002

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Originally posted by Kingstar

Yeah, i agree with that. the REAL Nv30 (or the NV35 as Chrisray pointed out) is still underprocess. I dont think is wise to get an Nv30 when it comes out, but i would rather wait for the next generation.....

That's always the case though. There is always something better coming up. You have to buy something eventually or else you end up stuck with a TNT2 always waiting for the "next big thing". That's why it's usually best to just compare what's out there right now, or what's out there when you feel like you need a upgrade, and not get caught up in looking too far ahead at what's coming. IMO NV35 is looking too far ahead since NV30 isn't even out the door yet. R350 is probably going to be a .13u 9700 with an extra texture pipeline, and DDR-II. ATi has already demonstrated a 9700 running with DDR-II on techTV so it probably isn't that far off. But again none of this stuff is actually out yet.

average_guy · October 22nd, 2002

i'm also stuck with a tnt2 m64 PCI, but i'm gona buy a voodoo3 off a friend since its dirt cheap

**_E_** · October 22nd, 2002

Quote:

Originally posted by Particleman

That's always the case though. There is always something better coming up. You have to buy something eventually or else you end up stuck with a TNT2 always waiting for the "next big thing". That's why it's usually best to just compare what's out there right now, or what's out there when you feel like you need a upgrade, and not get caught up in looking too far ahead at what's coming. IMO NV35 is looking too far ahead since NV30 isn't even out the door yet. R350 is probably going to be a .13u 9700 with an extra texture pipeline, and DDR-II. ATi has already demonstrated a 9700 running with DDR-II on techTV so it probably isn't that far off. But again none of this stuff is actually out yet.

not really,.....soemtimes the first generation of a new 3D card would contain some problems. Even if it dont, the next generation would contain a few enhancements up for grabs

. I didnt really mean that you have to wait forever

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October 22nd, 2002

I always buy the next generation of the 3d current chipset. Simply because I like seeing "what" these cards can do. First cards are always new. The features they add. While nice. Are rarely taken advantage of. And the next generation version of the card is almost always improved upon.

Example Accuview Anti Aliasing Engine.
Duel Vertex Shading. ect.

Mr Urt · October 22nd, 2002

I'd say u should go with the Radeon...and send me ur GF4 :P

seriously tho, u might wanna consider it, cuz pricewatch.com's cheapest 9700Pro is $311

**Demigod** · October 23rd, 2002

Well, as someone already mentioned here you're never going to be able to upgrade if you keep holding back for the next big thing. I think the best thing to do would be to just upgrade when you have the cash. You should also look for something with good price/performance ratio (GF4 Ti 4200, Radeon 9000 Pro) so you get the most bang for your buck. I think ChrisRay has a point though. Most second generation products just extend the technology of the previous one (at least for Nvidia cards):

TNT - TwiNTexel technology (multi-texturing)
TNT2 - Faster core, memory, better optimization

GeForce 256 - Hardware T&L, quad pixel pipeline, DDR memory
GeForce 2 - Faster core, memory, 2nd gen. hardware T&L, second texel unit

GeForce 3 - Programmable vertex & pixel shaders, LMA
GeForce 4 - Faster core, memory, second vertex unit, LMA II

Nvidia products seem to follow this system (although ATI doesn't). They first introduce the technology, then extend upon it and make it better. It takes some time for developers to adopt new features so it'd be best to wait a generation so that when you finally do purchase something there's already some support for its features in the industry. Still, when something as fast as the Radeon 9700 Pro comes along it this rule doesn't quite apply. Even if its DX9 features aren't applicable to any game its sheer speed and image quality more than justifies it.

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October 22nd, 2002	#61 (permalink)
Esturk Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 6,958	I'm sure ATI will come out with something to beat the NV30. __________________ Necrosaro: Windows XP Pro x64 Edition SP2 \| Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.00GHz, 1333MHz FSB, 6MB L2 Cache \| Asus P5Q Deluxe, Intel P45 Chipset, Socket 775 \| 4GB Kingston PC5300 DDR2 \| Nvidia GeForce 8800GT, 1024MB \| Creative SB X-Fi Fatality Edition \| Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD, 150Gb, SATA, Western Digital WD5000AAKS, 500GB, SATA \| LG 16x DVD-RWx2 SATA.

October 22nd, 2002	#62 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,305	And nVidia will counter, and hopefully a true contender will appear out of nowhere. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

October 22nd, 2002	#63 (permalink)
_E_ Lurking Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Gone Posts: 8,958	Well, there are some critics who believe that ATI is working on another chip at the sametime, so when nvidia release thier NV30, ATI will get their new chip on stores the moment after to stab nvidia on the back . There are alot or rumors going on, but on the other hand, this might happen __________________ -= Moral cowardice that keeps us from speaking our minds is as dangerous to this country as irresponsible talk. The right way is not always =- the popular and easy way. Standing for right when it is unpopular is a true test of moral character. Margaret C. Smith

October 22nd, 2002	#64 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,305	I think it's more likely that when the NV30 arrives, ATi will release an updated version of the R300 (Radeon 9700) core. We won't be able to guage anything till it arrives. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

October 22nd, 2002	#65 (permalink)
ChrisRay Guest Posts: n/a	Actually demigod. NWN Ati users will not be able to enable Shiny Water. No Radeon cards can enable shiny water... it was a perk specific to nvidia cards... Geforce 3 + that is..

October 22nd, 2002	#66 (permalink)
Ali CoLD InSiDE Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 2,615	These competitions are always healthy for the consumers, until they play the fair game. Ali __________________ AMD Athlon XP 2100 @ 1.75 Ghz Gigabyte GA-7VA.XP VIA K400 1.25GB PC3200 System Ram ChainTech GeForCe4 TI 4200 128MB Creative SB Live! 5.1 2x WD Caviar 120GBs and -Rom1 Maxtor 40GB LiteON 16x DVD-Rw WindowsXP Professional-SP2 & Mandrake Linux

October 22nd, 2002	#68 (permalink)
Craig Venom Author Of OverDrive Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Jay Bee, Johor, Malaysia Posts: 299	Yeah and after that a new breed of army will rise. It is graphic card army. A new type of war, computers war that will never end... Untill then both of them will lost their profit. __________________ System Spec : Intel Pentium IV 1.8A @ 2.66 Ghz \|\|Asus P4S533-E Mobo\|\|512 PC2700 DDR 333 @ 370 \|\|nVidia GeForce4 Ti 4200 @ 290/590\|\|Soundblaster Live! 5.1\|\|Samsung SyncMaster 17 Inch\|\|80Gb Western Digital w/ 8MB Buffer 7200RPM & 40GB Seagate 7200RPM\|\|WinXP Pro SP 1\| sig removed, try reading the sig rules OverDrive Author

October 22nd, 2002	#69 (permalink)
Demigod これはバタスです Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 5,871	It's all about pride and reputation my friend, not profits (not directly anyways ). They each want to have the fastest GPU out there. The high-end market is very niche, not many people buy them due to the high price. It's the value/middle-end that get most of the sales. If you take a look at the ads in computer magazines you'll hardly ever find a GF4 Ti 4600 or a Radeon 9700 in the system specs. It's mostly GF2/4 MX and the occasional Radeon 256. However, having the fastest product will look better on you and raise your reputation, resulting in better stocks and more familiarity. ATI has garnered much respect from the gaming community with the Radeon 9700. __________________ CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 Mobo: Intel DX48BT2 Memory: 8192 MB PC10600 DDR3 Videocard: PNY Geforce 9800 GX2 Soundcard: On-board SigmaTel High Definition Audio Hard drive: 1 TB Seagate & 1 TB Hitachi Optical drive: LG GGW-H20L (2x BD-R DL) PSU: Nexus 1000 Watt OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate (64-bit)

October 22nd, 2002	#70 (permalink)
ChrisRay Guest Posts: n/a	Quite honestly I am "very" curious how the NV35 and R350 chips are going to look like. I've never been one for first generation DX cards, (geforce 256, Geforce 3 Ti, and now the nv30) I like to generally wait till there next generation of DX generation cards... IE NV15. NV 25. and next NV 35.

October 22nd, 2002	#73 (permalink)
liquid Ebichu! Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Tampa Bay, Florida Posts: 2,091	I would like to have an ATI Radeon 9700pro or NV30 for the Bragg'n rights but it would be pointless to get one now, because there won't be any games that make use of the advanded features until sometime next year...and then there will be better cheaper cards ...but it sure is hard to resist haven bragg'n rights for a few months __________________ ...no sig for now

October 22nd, 2002	#74 (permalink)
average_guy Banned Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,865	are you sure $500 for bragg'n rights is worth it?

October 22nd, 2002	#76 (permalink)
average_guy Banned Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,865	i'm also stuck with a tnt2 m64 PCI, but i'm gona buy a voodoo3 off a friend since its dirt cheap

October 22nd, 2002	#78 (permalink)
ChrisRay Guest Posts: n/a	I always buy the next generation of the 3d current chipset. Simply because I like seeing "what" these cards can do. First cards are always new. The features they add. While nice. Are rarely taken advantage of. And the next generation version of the card is almost always improved upon. Example Accuview Anti Aliasing Engine. Duel Vertex Shading. ect.

October 22nd, 2002	#79 (permalink)
Mr Urt gone postal Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,569	I'd say u should go with the Radeon...and send me ur GF4 :P seriously tho, u might wanna consider it, cuz pricewatch.com's cheapest 9700Pro is $311

October 23rd, 2002	#80 (permalink)
Demigod これはバタスです Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 5,871	Well, as someone already mentioned here you're never going to be able to upgrade if you keep holding back for the next big thing. I think the best thing to do would be to just upgrade when you have the cash. You should also look for something with good price/performance ratio (GF4 Ti 4200, Radeon 9000 Pro) so you get the most bang for your buck. I think ChrisRay has a point though. Most second generation products just extend the technology of the previous one (at least for Nvidia cards): TNT - TwiNTexel technology (multi-texturing) TNT2 - Faster core, memory, better optimization GeForce 256 - Hardware T&L, quad pixel pipeline, DDR memory GeForce 2 - Faster core, memory, 2nd gen. hardware T&L, second texel unit GeForce 3 - Programmable vertex & pixel shaders, LMA GeForce 4 - Faster core, memory, second vertex unit, LMA II Nvidia products seem to follow this system (although ATI doesn't). They first introduce the technology, then extend upon it and make it better. It takes some time for developers to adopt new features so it'd be best to wait a generation so that when you finally do purchase something there's already some support for its features in the industry. Still, when something as fast as the Radeon 9700 Pro comes along it this rule doesn't quite apply. Even if its DX9 features aren't applicable to any game its sheer speed and image quality more than justifies it. __________________ CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 Mobo: Intel DX48BT2 Memory: 8192 MB PC10600 DDR3 Videocard: PNY Geforce 9800 GX2 Soundcard: On-board SigmaTel High Definition Audio Hard drive: 1 TB Seagate & 1 TB Hitachi Optical drive: LG GGW-H20L (2x BD-R DL) PSU: Nexus 1000 Watt OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate (64-bit)