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Esturk · October 21st, 2002

I'm sure there are other benefits of AGP 8x then just a few FPS.

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October 21st, 2002

Higher bandwith. But nothing software wise can meet that bandwith. They haven't even tapped 4x AGP yet.

average_guy · October 21st, 2002

in the good old days hardware has always bottonneck the software, good thing its the other way around now.

October 21st, 2002

Well its mainly because developers are afraid to tap the power of modern computers due to fear of there not being enough users with the CPU/GPU power./

average_guy · October 21st, 2002

yes, thats true, even with my tnt2 m64 PCI, i can play just about every game there is for the PC.

yakumo fujii · October 21st, 2002

Well...now I think about it, buy! Buy the card! And everything else!
Not because it's faster (which it certainly is) nor because it's new, but because we need to spend to get the economy back. So.......buy!

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October 21st, 2002

Thanks for the reply Kingstar. You made some very good points.
Demigod, I still have not ruled out the 9700 pro. I may get it and try it. If I like it, I'd keep it, if not, I can always return it. I say this because actually trying out the card seems to be the only way that I can truly judge it's performance as opposed to my TI 4600.
sincerely,
sx/amiga

October 21st, 2002

if anything, I doubt it will be very useful for you at the moment, other than looking how fast it can be in benchmarks.

**fivefeet8** · October 21st, 2002

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Originally posted by Esturk17
I'm sure there are other benefits of AGP 8x then just a few FPS.

Maybe when games are made that actually use 5+ million triangles per scene.. Most games today are more texture intensive than polygonal.. Higher Textures require higher video memory bandwidth while polygonal output is more agp limited..

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average_guy · October 21st, 2002

>Maybe when games are made that actually use 5+ million triangles per scene

which year do you think it will be? 2004?

October 22nd, 2002

Well just so everone knows, I picked up the 9700 pro today and installed it this evening. I've already noticed some differences in clarity on my Desktop over the the TI 4600. My web pages seem to load faster too. Tomorrow I'll really put it "through it's paces" with some games testing. I'll let everyone know how it does.
BTW, I also got my Sony Viao Laptop today as well. I'll be testing that one tomorrow as well.
sincerely,
sx/amiga

yakumo fujii · October 22nd, 2002

Y'all seem to have some extra cash lying around.......care to donate some?

Anyways, spending is good, it will help the economy. If I got extra cash I'd buy stuff as well. But I don't

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**fivefeet8** · October 22nd, 2002

Hehe.. I'm gettin about $2000+ US from Financial aide soon.. I'm gonna go and buy somethin nice..

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**Demigod** · October 22nd, 2002

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Originally posted by sxamiga
Well just so everone knows, I picked up the 9700 pro today and installed it this evening. I've already noticed some differences in clarity on my Desktop over the the TI 4600. My web pages seem to load faster too. Tomorrow I'll really put it "through it's paces" with some games testing. I'll let everyone know how it does.
BTW, I also got my Sony Viao Laptop today as well. I'll be testing that one tomorrow as well.
sincerely,
sx/amiga

Yes, ATI cards are known for their exceptional image quality compared to Nvidia cards. Just make sure to test everything with the highest settings (1280x1024x32 or higher, 6xFSAA, 16x Anisotropic), it's what the Radeon 9700 excels at. For psx emulation there shouldn't be any difference but PC games like NWN, Morrowind, UT 2003 and NFS:HP2 should benefit greatly from it.

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Ali · October 22nd, 2002

Sxamiga! Can U download 3DmarkSE and try giving us a few benchies. And how much did it costed U, cause I was also about to buy TI4600.

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October 22nd, 2002

Thanks Demigod, I'll do that. I'll let you know how it turns out.
Ali, sure I wouldn't mind, where can I find 3DmarkSE to download, I've never used it before. As for the cost, my card is OEM in a white box, so I only paid $299 US dollars for it. Normally they run about $399 to $450 (US Dollars) while the TI 4600 goes anywhere from $250 to $399.
Even though it is OEM, I got everything but the quick start manual with it.
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**Demigod** · October 22nd, 2002

You can download 3DMark2001 SE @ www.madonion.com
I would also like to see the mark you'd get with that card. It should be well above the 10K mark.

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Ali · October 22nd, 2002

Yeah pretty well over 10K, dunno where but I read somewhere, that 3dmarkse doesn't measure all aspects of new Radeon, thats why the score it gives is misleading. But it is higher then Geforce 4 TI4600

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**Kane** · October 22nd, 2002

Well 3DMark 2k1 is a DX 8 benchmark, not a Dx 9 benchmark

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Craig Venom · October 22nd, 2002

yeah that's right and I'm sure the score in not truly for the radeon. Wait till the DX9 released and see how far the Ati Radeon 9700 can do compare to nv30.

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October 21st, 2002	#41 (permalink)
Esturk Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 6,958	I'm sure there are other benefits of AGP 8x then just a few FPS. __________________ Necrosaro: Windows XP Pro x64 Edition SP2 \| Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.00GHz, 1333MHz FSB, 6MB L2 Cache \| Asus P5Q Deluxe, Intel P45 Chipset, Socket 775 \| 4GB Kingston PC5300 DDR2 \| Nvidia GeForce 8800GT, 1024MB \| Creative SB X-Fi Fatality Edition \| Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD, 150Gb, SATA, Western Digital WD5000AAKS, 500GB, SATA \| LG 16x DVD-RWx2 SATA.

October 21st, 2002	#42 (permalink)
ChrisRay Guest Posts: n/a	Higher bandwith. But nothing software wise can meet that bandwith. They haven't even tapped 4x AGP yet.

October 21st, 2002	#43 (permalink)
average_guy Banned Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,865	in the good old days hardware has always bottonneck the software, good thing its the other way around now.

October 21st, 2002	#44 (permalink)
ChrisRay Guest Posts: n/a	Well its mainly because developers are afraid to tap the power of modern computers due to fear of there not being enough users with the CPU/GPU power./

October 21st, 2002	#45 (permalink)
average_guy Banned Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,865	yes, thats true, even with my tnt2 m64 PCI, i can play just about every game there is for the PC.

October 21st, 2002	#46 (permalink)
yakumo fujii Nyo! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Home of Micro$$$oft Posts: 561	Well...now I think about it, buy! Buy the card! And everything else! Not because it's faster (which it certainly is) nor because it's new, but because we need to spend to get the economy back. So.......buy! __________________ I have no mouth but I must scream .

October 21st, 2002	#47 (permalink)
sxamiga Guest Posts: n/a	Thanks for the reply Kingstar. You made some very good points. Demigod, I still have not ruled out the 9700 pro. I may get it and try it. If I like it, I'd keep it, if not, I can always return it. I say this because actually trying out the card seems to be the only way that I can truly judge it's performance as opposed to my TI 4600. sincerely, sx/amiga

October 21st, 2002	#48 (permalink)
Samor Guest Posts: n/a	if anything, I doubt it will be very useful for you at the moment, other than looking how fast it can be in benchmarks.

October 21st, 2002	#50 (permalink)
average_guy Banned Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,865	>Maybe when games are made that actually use 5+ million triangles per scene which year do you think it will be? 2004?

October 22nd, 2002	#51 (permalink)
sxamiga Guest Posts: n/a	Well just so everone knows, I picked up the 9700 pro today and installed it this evening. I've already noticed some differences in clarity on my Desktop over the the TI 4600. My web pages seem to load faster too. Tomorrow I'll really put it "through it's paces" with some games testing. I'll let everyone know how it does. BTW, I also got my Sony Viao Laptop today as well. I'll be testing that one tomorrow as well. sincerely, sx/amiga

October 22nd, 2002	#52 (permalink)
yakumo fujii Nyo! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Home of Micro$$$oft Posts: 561	Y'all seem to have some extra cash lying around.......care to donate some? Anyways, spending is good, it will help the economy. If I got extra cash I'd buy stuff as well. But I don't __________________ I have no mouth but I must scream .

October 22nd, 2002	#53 (permalink)
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October 22nd, 2002	#55 (permalink)
Ali CoLD InSiDE Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 2,615	Sxamiga! Can U download 3DmarkSE and try giving us a few benchies. And how much did it costed U, cause I was also about to buy TI4600. Ali __________________ AMD Athlon XP 2100 @ 1.75 Ghz Gigabyte GA-7VA.XP VIA K400 1.25GB PC3200 System Ram ChainTech GeForCe4 TI 4200 128MB Creative SB Live! 5.1 2x WD Caviar 120GBs and -Rom1 Maxtor 40GB LiteON 16x DVD-Rw WindowsXP Professional-SP2 & Mandrake Linux

October 22nd, 2002	#56 (permalink)
sxamiga Guest Posts: n/a	Thanks Demigod, I'll do that. I'll let you know how it turns out. Ali, sure I wouldn't mind, where can I find 3DmarkSE to download, I've never used it before. As for the cost, my card is OEM in a white box, so I only paid $299 US dollars for it. Normally they run about $399 to $450 (US Dollars) while the TI 4600 goes anywhere from $250 to $399. Even though it is OEM, I got everything but the quick start manual with it. sincerely, sx/amiga

October 22nd, 2002	#57 (permalink)
Demigod これはバタスです Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 5,871	You can download 3DMark2001 SE @ www.madonion.com I would also like to see the mark you'd get with that card. It should be well above the 10K mark. __________________ CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 Mobo: Intel DX48BT2 Memory: 8192 MB PC10600 DDR3 Videocard: PNY Geforce 9800 GX2 Soundcard: On-board SigmaTel High Definition Audio Hard drive: 1 TB Seagate & 1 TB Hitachi Optical drive: LG GGW-H20L (2x BD-R DL) PSU: Nexus 1000 Watt OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate (64-bit)

October 22nd, 2002	#58 (permalink)
Ali CoLD InSiDE Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 2,615	Yeah pretty well over 10K, dunno where but I read somewhere, that 3dmarkse doesn't measure all aspects of new Radeon, thats why the score it gives is misleading. But it is higher then Geforce 4 TI4600 Ali __________________ AMD Athlon XP 2100 @ 1.75 Ghz Gigabyte GA-7VA.XP VIA K400 1.25GB PC3200 System Ram ChainTech GeForCe4 TI 4200 128MB Creative SB Live! 5.1 2x WD Caviar 120GBs and -Rom1 Maxtor 40GB LiteON 16x DVD-Rw WindowsXP Professional-SP2 & Mandrake Linux

October 22nd, 2002	#59 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,305	Well 3DMark 2k1 is a DX 8 benchmark, not a Dx 9 benchmark __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

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Craig Venom Author Of OverDrive Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Jay Bee, Johor, Malaysia Posts: 299	yeah that's right and I'm sure the score in not truly for the radeon. Wait till the DX9 released and see how far the Ati Radeon 9700 can do compare to nv30. __________________ System Spec : Intel Pentium IV 1.8A @ 2.66 Ghz \|\|Asus P4S533-E Mobo\|\|512 PC2700 DDR 333 @ 370 \|\|nVidia GeForce4 Ti 4200 @ 290/590\|\|Soundblaster Live! 5.1\|\|Samsung SyncMaster 17 Inch\|\|80Gb Western Digital w/ 8MB Buffer 7200RPM & 40GB Seagate 7200RPM\|\|WinXP Pro SP 1\| sig removed, try reading the sig rules OverDrive Author