Intel plans 3.6 GHz pentium 4 as max w/ Northwood Core

Alias · September 9th, 2002

Intel is planning to pit a 3.6 GHz pentium 4 against AMD's earliest incarnation of Hammer in 2003. Also starting with the P4 northwood 3.06 GHz virtual multithreading (hyperthreading) will be available.

Read about it here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q3/020909/index.html

**_E_** · September 9th, 2002

I dont think Intel can push its Northwood technology furthur than 4 GHz anyway..............

Alias · September 9th, 2002

which is when prescott comes along... wonder how that will fare against AMD's new technology.

**_E_** · September 9th, 2002

and of course AMD has other future plans unrelleased yet,......i think they began already making a successor to the AMD Athlon XP processor................

Alias · September 10th, 2002

yeah the Claw Hammer, everyone's talking about it, but we have little information how it will be. Prescott vs. Hammer will be interesting to say the least.

Particleman · September 10th, 2002

Actually, I read on HardOCP that Intel was able to get the Northwood running at 5Ghz at their IDF (even though they claimed it was aircooled it was probably using a chip selected out of thousands ). But I wouldn't be surprised if Intel will stopped the "Northwood" at 3.6 Ghz, since Intel always seems to be changing cores (the Pentium 3 went through 3 core changes, even more if you include the Pentium II as essentially the same as the P3). But the end of the "Northwood" does not necessarily mean the end of the P4, much like how the end of "Willamette" didn't.

**Kane** · September 10th, 2002

Just the same a palomino wasn't the end of the Athlon.

Particleman · September 10th, 2002

Yep really looking forward to upgrading my Athlon system with a Barton. Honestly though I am surprised, though pleasantly) that AMD was able to get the Athlon past 2 Ghz (real clocks not PR) after their initial .13u 2200+'s turned out so poorly.

Hanamichi · September 10th, 2002

Finnaly someone mentioning Barton. Im thinking of getting a Barton when it comes out, too.(and ditch my 500mhz)
The only thing I heard about Barton is it will be clocked at above 2.6 Ghz(which I think will be higher by that time). Anyone know more about it?

Particleman · September 10th, 2002

It will use a 333Mhz FSB (vs 266 current Athlons), and 512k (vs 256k current Athlons) of L2 cache. Both of these things should help Athlon performance tremendously.

**Demigod** · September 10th, 2002

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Originally posted by Particleman
Actually, I read on HardOCP that Intel was able to get the Northwood running at 5Ghz at their IDF (even though they claimed it was aircooled it was probably using a chip selected out of thousands ). But I wouldn't be surprised if Intel will stopped the "Northwood" at 3.6 Ghz, since Intel always seems to be changing cores (the Pentium 3 went through 3 core changes, even more if you include the Pentium II as essentially the same as the P3). But the end of the "Northwood" does not necessarily mean the end of the P4, much like how the end of "Willamette" didn't.

I believe Intel also demonstrated an ALU running at 10 Ghz at the Intel labs. The Pentium 4 is a very scalable processor and I wouldn't be surprised the Northwood hits 5 Ghz or more. And like you said, the Northwood is not the final revision of the P4, more like an introduction. Intel's upcoming Prescott should be very interesting indeed. It'll run on a 166 Mhz FSB like the upcoming Athlons, built on Intel's 0.09 µon (90 nm) technology, feature a huge 1 MB L2 cache and they'll finally enable hyper-threading for consumers (it's already available on current P4s [has been available since the Willamette] but must be enabled in the BIOS). Intel will also feature integrated Wi-Fi and dual-channel DDR333 support (to fully satiate the bandwidth of the Prescott) for their "Springdale" chipset. They'll also have a dual-channel DDR266 support (codenamed "Granite Bay") for Northwoods which should fully prepare it for its eventual battle against the upcoming Hammer.

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Yep really looking forward to upgrading my Athlon system with a Barton. Honestly though I am surprised, though pleasantly) that AMD was able to get the Athlon past 2 Ghz (real clocks not PR) after their initial .13u 2200+'s turned out so poorly.

Yeah, I was surprised by that as well. I thought AMD would never get the Athlon to hit 2 Ghz and didn't see much future for the Barton. I guess the Thoroughbred finally lived up to the hype, after a dreary introduction and I applaud AMD for their hard efforts and for reaching 2 Ghz mark (and on the Athlon's anniversary as well).

Unicron · September 10th, 2002

yep AMD really pulled the trojan horse on intel with that one...

Drack · September 12th, 2002

I wonder if the 3.6 Ghz will run on socket 478

dhkimboa · September 12th, 2002

so I don't think the mobo I got that runs athlon xp can run that hammer right ?

**Kane** · September 13th, 2002

Highly unlikely. The hammer will be another chipset and socket entirely.

**Demigod** · September 13th, 2002

The hammer will most likely require a new mobo. The architecture is completely different and the CPU has a lot more pins.

Alias · September 14th, 2002

and much smaller socket size... almost as small as intel's i think ... i really liked the pentium 4's size.... haha i dunno im just weird like that.

ebola · September 14th, 2002

man how can anyone read that crap site. tom is scum and he should be crucified.

anyways... check the link before you flame me

http://home.planetinternet.be/~bbaeyen2/thb/index.html

**Kane** · September 14th, 2002

So it's a homourous spoof. It doesnt' actualy have any evidence agains Tom.

Alias · September 14th, 2002

i have a feeling that was what he was going for...

September 9th, 2002	#1 (permalink)
Alias >_< Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: East Coast, USA Posts: 924	Intel plans 3.6 GHz pentium 4 as max w/ Northwood Core Intel is planning to pit a 3.6 GHz pentium 4 against AMD's earliest incarnation of Hammer in 2003. Also starting with the P4 northwood 3.06 GHz virtual multithreading (hyperthreading) will be available. Read about it here: http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q3/020909/index.html __________________ >_<

September 9th, 2002	#2 (permalink)
_E_ Administrator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: somewhere Posts: 8,590	I dont think Intel can push its Northwood technology furthur than 4 GHz anyway.............. __________________ -= Now watching=-

September 9th, 2002	#3 (permalink)
Alias >_< Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: East Coast, USA Posts: 924	which is when prescott comes along... wonder how that will fare against AMD's new technology. __________________ >_<

September 9th, 2002	#4 (permalink)
_E_ Administrator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: somewhere Posts: 8,590	and of course AMD has other future plans unrelleased yet,......i think they began already making a successor to the AMD Athlon XP processor................ __________________ -= Now watching=-

September 10th, 2002	#5 (permalink)
Alias >_< Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: East Coast, USA Posts: 924	yeah the Claw Hammer, everyone's talking about it, but we have little information how it will be. Prescott vs. Hammer will be interesting to say the least. __________________ >_<

September 10th, 2002	#6 (permalink)
Particleman Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 462	Actually, I read on HardOCP that Intel was able to get the Northwood running at 5Ghz at their IDF (even though they claimed it was aircooled it was probably using a chip selected out of thousands ). But I wouldn't be surprised if Intel will stopped the "Northwood" at 3.6 Ghz, since Intel always seems to be changing cores (the Pentium 3 went through 3 core changes, even more if you include the Pentium II as essentially the same as the P3). But the end of the "Northwood" does not necessarily mean the end of the P4, much like how the end of "Willamette" didn't. Last edited by Particleman; September 10th, 2002 at 00:35.

September 10th, 2002	#7 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	Just the same a palomino wasn't the end of the Athlon. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

September 10th, 2002	#8 (permalink)
Particleman Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 462	Yep really looking forward to upgrading my Athlon system with a Barton. Honestly though I am surprised, though pleasantly) that AMD was able to get the Athlon past 2 Ghz (real clocks not PR) after their initial .13u 2200+'s turned out so poorly. Last edited by Particleman; September 10th, 2002 at 00:37.

September 10th, 2002	#9 (permalink)
Hanamichi Crotally Tazy Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Malaysia Posts: 4,562	Finnaly someone mentioning Barton. Im thinking of getting a Barton when it comes out, too.(and ditch my 500mhz) The only thing I heard about Barton is it will be clocked at above 2.6 Ghz(which I think will be higher by that time). Anyone know more about it?

September 10th, 2002	#10 (permalink)
Particleman Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 462	It will use a 333Mhz FSB (vs 266 current Athlons), and 512k (vs 256k current Athlons) of L2 cache. Both of these things should help Athlon performance tremendously.

September 10th, 2002	#12 (permalink)
Unicron Git er done Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Raleigh, NC USA GO us! Posts: 2,828	yep AMD really pulled the trojan horse on intel with that one... __________________ It is the soldier, not the court, that has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the agitator, who has given us the freedom to protest. It is the soldier who salutes the flag, serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag, who gives that protestor the freedom he abuses to burn that flag. -Senator Zell Miller

September 12th, 2002	#13 (permalink)
Drack Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: PDX, USA Posts: 1,187	I wonder if the 3.6 Ghz will run on socket 478 __________________ Athlon64 +3200, GeForceFX 5900, 1024 MB DDR 400, nForce3 250Gb chipset 80 GB SATA Seagate , 80 GB 7200 RPM Seagate, 120 GB 7200 Seagate Lite-on SOHD-167T and Pioneer DVR-A06D Running XP Professional and SuSe 9.1

September 12th, 2002	#14 (permalink)
dhkimboa BOA Join Date: May 2001 Location: Mexico Posts: 1,884	so I don't think the mobo I got that runs athlon xp can run that hammer right ?

September 13th, 2002	#15 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	Highly unlikely. The hammer will be another chipset and socket entirely. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

September 13th, 2002	#16 (permalink)
Demigod これはバタスです Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 5,811	The hammer will most likely require a new mobo. The architecture is completely different and the CPU has a lot more pins. __________________ CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 @ 2.66 Ghz (Yorkfield) Mobo: Intel DX48BT2 Memory: 2048 MB PC10600 DDR3 Videocard: PNY Geforce 9800 GX2 PCIe w/ 1024 MB GDDR3 Soundcard: On-board SigmaTel High Definition Audio Hard drive: 300 MB Maxtor & 1 TB Hitachi Optical drive: LG GGW-H20L (2x BD-R DL) OS: Microsoft Windows Vista (32-bit)

September 14th, 2002	#17 (permalink)
Alias >_< Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: East Coast, USA Posts: 924	and much smaller socket size... almost as small as intel's i think ... i really liked the pentium 4's size.... haha i dunno im just weird like that. __________________ >_<

September 14th, 2002	#18 (permalink)
ebola Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Chanhassen, MN Posts: 900	man how can anyone read that crap site. tom is scum and he should be crucified. anyways... check the link before you flame me http://home.planetinternet.be/~bbaeyen2/thb/index.html __________________ .: Cythraul Design :: MBA-Forums :.

September 14th, 2002	#19 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	So it's a homourous spoof. It doesnt' actualy have any evidence agains Tom. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

September 14th, 2002	#20 (permalink)
Alias >_< Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: East Coast, USA Posts: 924	i have a feeling that was what he was going for... __________________ >_<

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