Mobo / Processor advice

Archlyn · July 20th, 2002

Alright,

this is just an adivce post about... you guessed it! Procs and mobos.

Anyway I'm thinking of buying a new one in the next few months (I usually spend about $600 total) and I'm looking for some quotes as to how much I REALLY need to spend.

Mobo requirements
-Capable of going over 512mb ram
-NO onboard sound
-NO onbiard video
-lots of expansion slots (4+)(with AGP) (ISA would be nice but isn't required)
-Good upward mobility (I.e. my current mobo only has a ceiling of 933mhz and I'm already at 800)
-at least 2 usb connections
-*would really like* firewire (again not REALLY required but would be nice)

As far as the type of proccessor, I don't really care what kind it is as long as it's at least 1.5ghz

now how much will this cost me?

**Shiori** · July 20th, 2002

A Soyo K7V Dragon Plus. It's got onboard audio, but its CMedia 5.1 Dolby Digital Audio is comparable to a Soundblaster Live!

It goes for between 120-125 USD.

http://www.hardware-unlimited.com/reviews/syk7vdp/

As for the AMD processor, it has to be an Athlon XP. the 1700+ model goes for $70 as indicated on Pricewatch now.

http://www.pricewatch.com/

Archlyn · July 20th, 2002

Your *****ting me :eek2:

Shiori, HUGE thanks. LOL this may be coming sooner than a few months! I do have another question. Everyone recoomends pricewatch as the place to go, and I've been there before sure. I've never ordered anything from any of the vendors they list though because I'm worried about reliabilityt in shipping and credit card security. I know pricewatch doesn't handle this directly but I'm wondering if I can trust their vendors? have you yourself actually used pricewatch for parts?

Thanks again

**Shiori** · July 20th, 2002

No, I just go visit my local computer store a block away from our place.

Archlyn · July 20th, 2002

Lucky

I wish my comp store was a block away.... I live in florida and the nearest computer store is a CompUSA and it's about 20 mins away ><

**Shiori** · July 20th, 2002

It doesn't hurt to live so close to Taiwan too.

GuardianAli · July 24th, 2002

get the k8 with some DDRII

im waiting for the pentium 6 myself..its suppose to have better performance then the pentium1 pro finally

Archlyn · July 24th, 2002

K8? DDRII? whats that? ^^;; can you provide links/prices?

**liquid** · July 24th, 2002

K8 is the upcomming Clawhammer...it's the first true 64bit x86 based cpu by AMD, and will destroy Intel's Pentium IA32 line of processors.

GuardianAli · July 24th, 2002

the problem is that while PERFORMANCE wise it will blow em away, rumor has it is wont clock as high still

gonna be fun to see the numbers game..
intel will say biiger is better cause tis got faster ghz

amd will say bigger is better cause 64 is more then 32

**liquid** · July 24th, 2002

hmm...apple's been say'n that for years :eyes:

GuardianAli · July 24th, 2002

apple? power pc is like the jaguar 64

its 2 32s together

Archlyn · July 24th, 2002

But I dont wanna wait that long. that sounds like it's at least a year down the road. My system is ancient NOW (it was ancient when I bought it two years ago) and needs replacement. I'm looking for a viable solution now.

A 64 bit processor eh? when it does come out I doubt it will be for the consumer and as such WELL beyond my pricerange (About like the Intel Xeon, only worthwile to the corporate sector and priced to match)

**Demigod** · July 24th, 2002

If you're looking for a good computer now I would suggest an Athlon with DDR memory. Athlons are pretty cheap (compared to Intel CPUs) and have plenty of processing power.

The AMD Clawhammer is the successor to the Athlon and will be the first consumer level 64-bit processor. It's a 64-bit extension to the x86 architecture, while the Intel Itanium is a pure 64-bit implementation. The Itanium is currently available but it's only for the niche high end server markets. The Clawhammer should be released in the final quarter of this year.

Archlyn · July 24th, 2002

so shiori was right eh? I thought so. so far hers are the best suggestions. (if shiori is female!? if not... umm better than being called 'it'

)

EDIYT: What's the big deal with 64bit processors? I upgraded from 16bit x86 to an intel PIII (yes... from an x86 to a P3) didn't really notice much change

Esturk · July 24th, 2002

As far as I know, Shiori is a man. Don't let the avatar fool you.

Zerthr · July 24th, 2002

well i think its called the "Opteron".

As for the motherboard... I bought a soltek for 80 bucks.. eh.. and has everything you required.. (dont have dolby surround sound though... just get an audigy

)

**Demigod** · July 24th, 2002

The server hammer processor will be called Opteron, the consumer hammer processor will probably be called an Athlon, to maintain familiarity.

**liquid** · July 24th, 2002

Quote:

Originally posted by Archlyn
EDIYT: What's the big deal with 64bit processors? I upgraded from 16bit x86 to an intel PIII (yes... from an x86 to a P3) didn't really notice much change

You upgraded from a 16bit x86 machien?:confused:
really..so the last computer you owned was either a 386SX, 286, or 8086?

I guess if the only game you play is solitier then I guess you won't notice much of a difference going from a 16bit 386SX to a 32bit Pentium 3.

FYI, every x86 based CPU since the 386DX (since in 1985) are 32bit CPU (IA32)...this includes the current generation of Pentium 4's and Athleon XP's. The Itanium is 64Bit but it's not an x86-based CPU.

Finally, Shiori is a girl...
let the plan live on

Alias · July 25th, 2002

actually current yields of the clawhammar (going to be called athlon, k8 for now) have only been seen running at about 800 MHz max. Even if the chip is very efficient, it will have to run MUCH faster than that to keep up with intel (plus we all kno that heat will be a factor). Intel built the pentium 4 with incredible scalibility, so u can all say "oh AMD does more in each clock cycle with it's procs then intel" sure, fine, but amd will hit a road block much sooner than intel will. But anyways, AMD is a better bang for da buck.

Quote:

Originally posted by liquid

Finally, Shiori is a girl...
let the plan live on

and shiori isn't a girl... unless you talkin' bout his avatar

July 20th, 2002	#1 (permalink)
Archlyn Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The land of Insanity Posts: 571	Mobo / Processor advice Alright, this is just an adivce post about... you guessed it! Procs and mobos. Anyway I'm thinking of buying a new one in the next few months (I usually spend about $600 total) and I'm looking for some quotes as to how much I REALLY need to spend. Mobo requirements -Capable of going over 512mb ram -NO onboard sound -NO onbiard video -lots of expansion slots (4+)(with AGP) (ISA would be nice but isn't required) -Good upward mobility (I.e. my current mobo only has a ceiling of 933mhz and I'm already at 800) -at least 2 usb connections -would really like firewire (again not REALLY required but would be nice) As far as the type of proccessor, I don't really care what kind it is as long as it's at least 1.5ghz now how much will this cost me? __________________ Computer Specs: ASUS A8N SLI Deluxe (nForce4) \| AMD Athlon X2 3800 @ 2.0ghz \| 2x1.0GB OCZ Platinum DDR400 RAM (128-bit DDR mode) \| GeForce 7600 w/ 256mb VRAM \| Onboard Sound - for now OS1 : Windows XP / SP2 \| Direct X 9 OS2 : Gentoo Linux 2006.0 OS3 : Windows Vista Beta 2 ePSXe config: Pete's OpenGL 2.0 \| Eternal SPU 1.4 \| ePSXe Internal CD core (W2K) Project 64 config Jabo's D3D7 1.5 \| Jabo's DSound 1.5 \| Jabo's DInput 1.5

July 20th, 2002	#2 (permalink)
Shiori :3 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 10,116	A Soyo K7V Dragon Plus. It's got onboard audio, but its CMedia 5.1 Dolby Digital Audio is comparable to a Soundblaster Live! It goes for between 120-125 USD. http://www.hardware-unlimited.com/reviews/syk7vdp/ As for the AMD processor, it has to be an Athlon XP. the 1700+ model goes for $70 as indicated on Pricewatch now. http://www.pricewatch.com/ __________________ "...And when I finally meet you again, I want to ask you - have you found what you were looking for? Because that's what I felt you were doing, all these years. And I want to hear you answer, "Yes, I have, thank you for asking," and we'll be together again, until the end of our days..."

July 20th, 2002	#3 (permalink)
Archlyn Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The land of Insanity Posts: 571	Your ***ting me :eek2: Shiori, HUGE thanks. LOL this may be coming sooner than a few months! I do have another question. Everyone recoomends pricewatch as the place to go, and I've been there before sure. I've never ordered anything from any of the vendors they list though because I'm worried about reliabilityt in shipping and credit card security. I know pricewatch doesn't handle this directly but I'm wondering if I can trust their vendors? have you yourself actually used pricewatch for parts? Thanks again __________________ Computer Specs: ASUS A8N SLI Deluxe (nForce4) \| AMD Athlon X2 3800 @ 2.0ghz \| 2x1.0GB OCZ Platinum DDR400 RAM (128-bit DDR mode) \| GeForce 7600 w/ 256mb VRAM \| Onboard Sound - for now OS1 : Windows XP / SP2 \| Direct X 9 OS2 : Gentoo Linux 2006.0 OS3 : Windows Vista Beta 2 ePSXe config: Pete's OpenGL 2.0 \| Eternal SPU 1.4 \| ePSXe Internal CD core (W2K) Project 64 config** Jabo's D3D7 1.5 \| Jabo's DSound 1.5 \| Jabo's DInput 1.5

July 20th, 2002	#4 (permalink)
Shiori :3 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 10,116	No, I just go visit my local computer store a block away from our place. __________________ "...And when I finally meet you again, I want to ask you - have you found what you were looking for? Because that's what I felt you were doing, all these years. And I want to hear you answer, "Yes, I have, thank you for asking," and we'll be together again, until the end of our days..."

July 20th, 2002	#5 (permalink)
Archlyn Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The land of Insanity Posts: 571	Lucky I wish my comp store was a block away.... I live in florida and the nearest computer store is a CompUSA and it's about 20 mins away >< __________________ Computer Specs: ASUS A8N SLI Deluxe (nForce4) \| AMD Athlon X2 3800 @ 2.0ghz \| 2x1.0GB OCZ Platinum DDR400 RAM (128-bit DDR mode) \| GeForce 7600 w/ 256mb VRAM \| Onboard Sound - for now OS1 : Windows XP / SP2 \| Direct X 9 OS2 : Gentoo Linux 2006.0 OS3 : Windows Vista Beta 2 ePSXe config: Pete's OpenGL 2.0 \| Eternal SPU 1.4 \| ePSXe Internal CD core (W2K) Project 64 config Jabo's D3D7 1.5 \| Jabo's DSound 1.5 \| Jabo's DInput 1.5

July 20th, 2002	#6 (permalink)
Shiori :3 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 10,116	It doesn't hurt to live so close to Taiwan too. __________________ "...And when I finally meet you again, I want to ask you - have you found what you were looking for? Because that's what I felt you were doing, all these years. And I want to hear you answer, "Yes, I have, thank you for asking," and we'll be together again, until the end of our days..."

July 24th, 2002	#7 (permalink)
GuardianAli Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 120	get the k8 with some DDRII im waiting for the pentium 6 myself..its suppose to have better performance then the pentium1 pro finally __________________

July 24th, 2002	#8 (permalink)
Archlyn Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The land of Insanity Posts: 571	K8? DDRII? whats that? ^^;; can you provide links/prices? __________________ Computer Specs: ASUS A8N SLI Deluxe (nForce4) \| AMD Athlon X2 3800 @ 2.0ghz \| 2x1.0GB OCZ Platinum DDR400 RAM (128-bit DDR mode) \| GeForce 7600 w/ 256mb VRAM \| Onboard Sound - for now OS1 : Windows XP / SP2 \| Direct X 9 OS2 : Gentoo Linux 2006.0 OS3 : Windows Vista Beta 2 ePSXe config: Pete's OpenGL 2.0 \| Eternal SPU 1.4 \| ePSXe Internal CD core (W2K) Project 64 config Jabo's D3D7 1.5 \| Jabo's DSound 1.5 \| Jabo's DInput 1.5

July 24th, 2002	#9 (permalink)
liquid Ebichu! Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Tampa Bay, Florida Posts: 2,089	K8 is the upcomming Clawhammer...it's the first true 64bit x86 based cpu by AMD, and will destroy Intel's Pentium IA32 line of processors. __________________ ...no sig for now

July 24th, 2002	#10 (permalink)
GuardianAli Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 120	the problem is that while PERFORMANCE wise it will blow em away, rumor has it is wont clock as high still gonna be fun to see the numbers game.. intel will say biiger is better cause tis got faster ghz amd will say bigger is better cause 64 is more then 32 __________________

July 24th, 2002	#11 (permalink)
liquid Ebichu! Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Tampa Bay, Florida Posts: 2,089	hmm...apple's been say'n that for years :eyes: __________________ ...no sig for now

July 24th, 2002	#12 (permalink)
GuardianAli Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 120	apple? power pc is like the jaguar 64 its 2 32s together __________________

July 24th, 2002	#13 (permalink)
Archlyn Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The land of Insanity Posts: 571	But I dont wanna wait that long. that sounds like it's at least a year down the road. My system is ancient NOW (it was ancient when I bought it two years ago) and needs replacement. I'm looking for a viable solution now. A 64 bit processor eh? when it does come out I doubt it will be for the consumer and as such WELL beyond my pricerange (About like the Intel Xeon, only worthwile to the corporate sector and priced to match) __________________ Computer Specs: ASUS A8N SLI Deluxe (nForce4) \| AMD Athlon X2 3800 @ 2.0ghz \| 2x1.0GB OCZ Platinum DDR400 RAM (128-bit DDR mode) \| GeForce 7600 w/ 256mb VRAM \| Onboard Sound - for now OS1 : Windows XP / SP2 \| Direct X 9 OS2 : Gentoo Linux 2006.0 OS3 : Windows Vista Beta 2 ePSXe config: Pete's OpenGL 2.0 \| Eternal SPU 1.4 \| ePSXe Internal CD core (W2K) Project 64 config Jabo's D3D7 1.5 \| Jabo's DSound 1.5 \| Jabo's DInput 1.5

July 24th, 2002	#14 (permalink)
Demigod これはバタスです Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 5,811	If you're looking for a good computer now I would suggest an Athlon with DDR memory. Athlons are pretty cheap (compared to Intel CPUs) and have plenty of processing power. The AMD Clawhammer is the successor to the Athlon and will be the first consumer level 64-bit processor. It's a 64-bit extension to the x86 architecture, while the Intel Itanium is a pure 64-bit implementation. The Itanium is currently available but it's only for the niche high end server markets. The Clawhammer should be released in the final quarter of this year. __________________ CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 @ 2.66 Ghz (Yorkfield) Mobo: Intel DX48BT2 Memory: 2048 MB PC10600 DDR3 Videocard: PNY Geforce 9800 GX2 PCIe w/ 1024 MB GDDR3 Soundcard: On-board SigmaTel High Definition Audio Hard drive: 300 MB Maxtor & 1 TB Hitachi Optical drive: LG GGW-H20L (2x BD-R DL) OS: Microsoft Windows Vista (32-bit)

July 24th, 2002	#15 (permalink)
Archlyn Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The land of Insanity Posts: 571	so shiori was right eh? I thought so. so far hers are the best suggestions. (if shiori is female!? if not... umm better than being called 'it' ) EDIYT: What's the big deal with 64bit processors? I upgraded from 16bit x86 to an intel PIII (yes... from an x86 to a P3) didn't really notice much change __________________ Computer Specs: ASUS A8N SLI Deluxe (nForce4) \| AMD Athlon X2 3800 @ 2.0ghz \| 2x1.0GB OCZ Platinum DDR400 RAM (128-bit DDR mode) \| GeForce 7600 w/ 256mb VRAM \| Onboard Sound - for now OS1 : Windows XP / SP2 \| Direct X 9 OS2 : Gentoo Linux 2006.0 OS3 : Windows Vista Beta 2 ePSXe config: Pete's OpenGL 2.0 \| Eternal SPU 1.4 \| ePSXe Internal CD core (W2K) Project 64 config Jabo's D3D7 1.5 \| Jabo's DSound 1.5 \| Jabo's DInput 1.5

July 24th, 2002	#16 (permalink)
Esturk Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 6,957	As far as I know, Shiori is a man. Don't let the avatar fool you. __________________ Necrosaro: Windows XP Pro x64 Edition SP2 \| Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 2.66GHz, 1333MHz FSB, 4MB L2 Cache \| Asus P5K Deluxe, Intel P35 Chipset, Socket 775 \| 4GB Kingston PC5300 DDR2 \| Nvidia GeForce 8800GT, 1024MB \| Creative SB X-Fi Fatality Edition \| Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD, 150Gb, SATA, Western Digital WD5000AAKS, 500GB, SATA \| LG 16x DVD-RWx2 SATA.

July 24th, 2002	#17 (permalink)
Zerthr A Wandering Cow Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: {::::> Posts: 415	well i think its called the "Opteron". As for the motherboard... I bought a soltek for 80 bucks.. eh.. and has everything you required.. (dont have dolby surround sound though... just get an audigy )

July 24th, 2002	#18 (permalink)
Demigod これはバタスです Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 5,811	The server hammer processor will be called Opteron, the consumer hammer processor will probably be called an Athlon, to maintain familiarity. __________________ CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 @ 2.66 Ghz (Yorkfield) Mobo: Intel DX48BT2 Memory: 2048 MB PC10600 DDR3 Videocard: PNY Geforce 9800 GX2 PCIe w/ 1024 MB GDDR3 Soundcard: On-board SigmaTel High Definition Audio Hard drive: 300 MB Maxtor & 1 TB Hitachi Optical drive: LG GGW-H20L (2x BD-R DL) OS: Microsoft Windows Vista (32-bit)

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