Pixel Shading

TalkingANUS · July 13th, 2002

What is pixel shading? Can some1 plz explain to me what it is?
Apparently, my new Geforce 4 doesn't support it and i want to know what i am missing out on.
Can someone plz send a screenshot showing an example of pixel shading?

Asz · July 13th, 2002

Too bad you didn't get a GeForce 4 Ti, MX models are as great as Ti ones, they are just GeForce 2s basically.

K.I.L.E.R · July 13th, 2002

You are not missing out on much. I would like to see *good* games that support it. Currently they don't exist....

**Zephon** · July 13th, 2002

At the moment, the Pixel Shaders are not implemented in many games (very few games use them). But in the future probably many games will start using it, and then you'll have some problems. For the time being, you're not missing much.

**liquid** · July 13th, 2002

hmm...Unreal Tournament 2 will use pixel shaders (once it comes out) anandtech ran some benchmarks and the GF4MX scored well but was not as fast as a geforce 3 (which has pixel shaders).

K.I.L.E.R · July 13th, 2002

Actually he isn't missing anthing.

PS in current games looks good. The games suck though.

spajdr · July 13th, 2002

Aquanox
The Elder Scrolls - Morrowind
The Neverwinter Nights
KILLER : All these games uses pixel shader,did you think these games sucks ?

Particleman · July 13th, 2002

The ones that spajdr mentioned are all great looking and playing games, there is also a special/patched version of Giants that use Pixel Shaders. Oh yes and Commanche 4 also uses pixel shaders. The games that use pixel shaders look great, it's that use It's just unfortunate that the number of games that use these features can be counted using your fingers. But slowly but surely we are seeing more and more games use them.

TalkingANUS · July 14th, 2002

can i please see some screenshots now?

K.I.L.E.R · July 14th, 2002

Yes all those games u mentioned suck big time. (not joking)

Heihachi_73 · July 15th, 2002

doesnt tekken 3 have pixel shading or is it a form of transparency (take Yoshimitsu's green sword for instance...use kazzuya's soft gpu 1.3 and it does something)

Particleman · July 15th, 2002

No PS1 games use any sort of pixel shaders (that applies to emulators as well), so no Tekken 2 does not use pixel shaders.

Heihachi_73 · July 15th, 2002

how do they get the semi transparent effect...? say on tekken 2 if u want wait for it to display time attack/survival records or something they have a color (pink or green or something dependong) that's semi-transparent

Particleman · July 15th, 2002

Transparency effects have nothing to do with pixel shading. Pixel Shaders are used to give textures different types of effects such as bumps, metalic surfaces, etc. Mainly dealing with surfaces.

Heihachi_73 · July 15th, 2002

stupid typo's
for whom...the bell...tollllls!!! dndn..dndn..dnnn wawawawa

Goku7 · July 15th, 2002

Quote:

Originally posted by Heihachi_73
how do they get the semi transparent effect...? say on tekken 2 if u want wait for it to display time attack/survival records or something they have a color (pink or green or something dependong) that's semi-transparent

They use something called the "Alpha channel". If, for example, the playstation was running in a 16-bit color mode, then usually the first 15-bits describe the color being displayed, and then the last bit, which can be refered to as the "Alpha channel", describes the amount of transperancy that is then applied to the color, if any is needed.

For more info, try searching around for the term "Alpha Transparency".

KillerShots · July 17th, 2002

Quote:

Originally posted by spajdr
Aquanox
The Elder Scrolls - Morrowind
The Neverwinter Nights
KILLER : All these games uses pixel shader,did you think these games sucks ?

I don't know about Neverwinter Nights, but Aquanox and Morrowind don't work with Ge-force 4's (at least with me). And Aquanox came in the damn box!

K.I.L.E.R · July 17th, 2002

NWN is good.

Though I prefer BG 2 story and gameplay more.

July 13th, 2002	#1 (permalink)
TalkingANUS talks a lot of $hit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NZ Posts: 742	Pixel Shading What is pixel shading? Can some1 plz explain to me what it is? Apparently, my new Geforce 4 doesn't support it and i want to know what i am missing out on. Can someone plz send a screenshot showing an example of pixel shading? __________________ .:System Specs:. ::Core 2 Duo E6400 \| 1GB RAM \| Radeon X1950 Pro:: Why am I dying to live if I'm just living to die

July 13th, 2002	#3 (permalink)
K.I.L.E.R Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,338	You are not missing out on much. I would like to see good games that support it. Currently they don't exist.... __________________ Agent of love and justice, beautiful Sailor Senshi Sailor Moon.

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Zephon Key To The Universe Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Stratosphere Posts: 2,706	At the moment, the Pixel Shaders are not implemented in many games (very few games use them). But in the future probably many games will start using it, and then you'll have some problems. For the time being, you're not missing much. __________________ But there is someone who remembers you Someone waiting for a sign that leads the way to you There is someone who will die for you Keep that in mind when the hope fails

July 13th, 2002	#5 (permalink)
liquid Ebichu! Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Tampa Bay, Florida Posts: 2,089	hmm...Unreal Tournament 2 will use pixel shaders (once it comes out) anandtech ran some benchmarks and the GF4MX scored well but was not as fast as a geforce 3 (which has pixel shaders). __________________ ...no sig for now

July 13th, 2002	#6 (permalink)
K.I.L.E.R Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,338	Actually he isn't missing anthing. PS in current games looks good. The games suck though. __________________ Agent of love and justice, beautiful Sailor Senshi Sailor Moon.

July 13th, 2002	#2 (permalink)
Asz EATS BREAKFAST WITH FACE Join Date: May 2001 Location: Tucson, Arizona Posts: 1,611	Too bad you didn't get a GeForce 4 Ti, MX models are as great as Ti ones, they are just GeForce 2s basically.

July 13th, 2002	#7 (permalink)
spajdr Harmonixer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 784	Aquanox The Elder Scrolls - Morrowind The Neverwinter Nights KILLER : All these games uses pixel shader,did you think these games sucks ? __________________ Asus P5Q Pro + E8400 @ 4 Ghz \| 4GB DDR2 RAM A-DATA 1066Mhz EE Gigabyte Radeon 4850 750/2200 \| PSU : Enermax PRO82+ 425W 2 x 250 GB Samsung Spinpoint \| LCD: 22" Lenovo L220X

July 13th, 2002	#8 (permalink)
Particleman Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 462	The ones that spajdr mentioned are all great looking and playing games, there is also a special/patched version of Giants that use Pixel Shaders. Oh yes and Commanche 4 also uses pixel shaders. The games that use pixel shaders look great, it's that use It's just unfortunate that the number of games that use these features can be counted using your fingers. But slowly but surely we are seeing more and more games use them.

July 14th, 2002	#9 (permalink)
TalkingANUS talks a lot of $hit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NZ Posts: 742	can i please see some screenshots now? __________________ .:System Specs:. ::Core 2 Duo E6400 \| 1GB RAM \| Radeon X1950 Pro:: Why am I dying to live if I'm just living to die

July 14th, 2002	#10 (permalink)
K.I.L.E.R Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,338	Yes all those games u mentioned suck big time. (not joking) __________________ Agent of love and justice, beautiful Sailor Senshi Sailor Moon.

July 15th, 2002	#11 (permalink)
Heihachi_73 King of Iron Geta Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 144	doesnt tekken 3 have pixel shading or is it a form of transparency (take Yoshimitsu's green sword for instance...use kazzuya's soft gpu 1.3 and it does something) __________________ You cannot run from your own bunghole. Specs: Intel Celeron 2.8GHz \| Windows XP Pro SP1 \| 512MB DDR \| ATi Radeon 9550 256MB - yes, this PC gets a nice 53FPS in Tekken 4 in PCSX2 0.9.4. Divided by 100!

July 15th, 2002	#12 (permalink)
Particleman Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 462	No PS1 games use any sort of pixel shaders (that applies to emulators as well), so no Tekken 2 does not use pixel shaders.

July 15th, 2002	#13 (permalink)
Heihachi_73 King of Iron Geta Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 144	how do they get the semi transparent effect...? say on tekken 2 if u want wait for it to display time attack/survival records or something they have a color (pink or green or something dependong) that's semi-transparent __________________ You cannot run from your own bunghole. Specs: Intel Celeron 2.8GHz \| Windows XP Pro SP1 \| 512MB DDR \| ATi Radeon 9550 256MB - yes, this PC gets a nice 53FPS in Tekken 4 in PCSX2 0.9.4. Divided by 100!

July 15th, 2002	#14 (permalink)
Particleman Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 462	Transparency effects have nothing to do with pixel shading. Pixel Shaders are used to give textures different types of effects such as bumps, metalic surfaces, etc. Mainly dealing with surfaces.

July 15th, 2002	#15 (permalink)
Heihachi_73 King of Iron Geta Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 144	stupid typo's for whom...the bell...tollllls!!! dndn..dndn..dnnn wawawawa __________________ You cannot run from your own bunghole. Specs: Intel Celeron 2.8GHz \| Windows XP Pro SP1 \| 512MB DDR \| ATi Radeon 9550 256MB - yes, this PC gets a nice 53FPS in Tekken 4 in PCSX2 0.9.4. Divided by 100!

July 17th, 2002	#18 (permalink)
K.I.L.E.R Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,338	NWN is good. Though I prefer BG 2 story and gameplay more. __________________ Agent of love and justice, beautiful Sailor Senshi Sailor Moon.

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