Nvidia not only blocks out PhysX but now a basic feature like Anti Aliasing. - Page 4

**fivefeet8** · October 8th, 2009

PC Perspective - The State of NVIDIA: For better or for worse

Interesting update on the AA situation in BM:AA. The relevant parts are bolded:

"Another recent controversy around NVIDIA (they seem to find them frequently) has to do with the company's The Way It’s Meant to Be Played (TWIMTBP) program and the relationship between it and game developers. Recently a marketing rep from AMD claimed that some recently released titles were "proprietary" and NVIDIA's involvement in development caused those software teams to unfairly tweak their games for NVIDIA's hardware. The titles in question? Batman: Arkham Asylum, Resident Evil 5 and Need for Speed: Shift. Batman was especially controversial as it enabled in-game antialiasing support ONLY on NVIDIA hardware while AMD cards were required to use control panel based AA. The difference there is that there are definite performance advantages to letting the game engine itself decide how and where to apply the image quality feature rather than "brute forcing" the entire scene.

In reality, I think this claim from AMD is pretty much unfounded - NVIDIA has long been accused of doing things like this but AMD has similar relationships with developers - see games like Battle Forge, DiRT 2 and Tom Clancy's H.A.W.X. The truth is that both sides of the coin work as closely as possible with developers to make sure the latest titles work as well as possible on their own hardware. But without a doubt, NVIDIA's development efforts in this area are much more extensive. The developer relations team at NVIDIA is significantly larger, has a significantly larger budget and in general works with more developers than AMD's. In the case of Batman's AA support, NVIDIA essentially built the AA engine explicitly for Eidos - AA didn't exist in the game engine before that. NVIDIA knew that this title was going to be a big seller on the PC and spent the money/time to get it working on their hardware. Eidos told us in an email conversation that the offer was made to AMD for them to send engineers to their studios and do the same work NVIDIA did for its own hardware, but AMD declined. "

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drhycodan · October 8th, 2009

Great, meaning I'll get better performance on my GTX295 heh

Squall-Leonhart · October 9th, 2009

Amd fail!

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KrossX · October 9th, 2009

It really was some idiotic thing to say from that Ian guy. Nevertheless, there was already a disclaimer so it shouldn't be considered "The word of AMD".

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Squall-Leonhart · October 9th, 2009

:P Catalyst Maker, Terry Makedon confirmed it

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KrossX · October 9th, 2009

*sighs* Big companies behave like kids now. >_<

Do you have a link for that Squall? I would like some reading.

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Squall-Leonhart · October 9th, 2009

no link, one of my old techhw contacts got in touch with him and enquired about it.

As is known, its not a rare occurence either, many, many developers who request support from ATI, either via hardware samples or engineer level support have had similar experiences.

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KrossX · October 9th, 2009

Bummer, thanks anyway.

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Squall-Leonhart · October 9th, 2009

i might get gen.rage or mac-daddy to get down and dirty with ati's driver squad

. mac-daddy was on good terms with them last i checked.

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Lovingika · October 10th, 2009

I wonder what's the reason AMD had to decline many game developer offer to "improove" their hardware capabilities in some game....

**fivefeet8** · October 11th, 2009

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I wonder what's the reason AMD had to decline many game developer offer to "improove" their hardware capabilities in some game....

Resources. They simply don't have as much invested in DevRel as Nvidia and thus most likely focuses most of it on games in their own GITG DevRel program.

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bkwegoharder · October 11th, 2009

I doubt it, they already said that they have been leaking out their DX11 cards to developers, their DX11 cards are the standard for DX11 development as of now with developers. It's so simply to give a copy of your gpu to a developer to work with, so there has to be some sort of deeper reason other than them not having money invested.

Phil · October 11th, 2009

Lawsuits?

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Squall-Leonhart · October 11th, 2009

Dx11 will become a standard when they introduce Dx12.

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Phil · October 11th, 2009

I still fail to see what DX10 and DX10.1 has improved so drastically

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Squall-Leonhart · October 11th, 2009

Donuts are round instead of hexagonal now :P

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It's so simply to give a copy of your gpu to a developer to work with, so there has to be some sort of deeper reason other than them not having money invested.

Developers often already have the hardware to work with. DevRel is not only giving hardware to the developers. Support and resources extends beyond the hardware. In this case, nvidia offered them those resources while AMDTi did not.

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October 8th, 2009	#61 (permalink)
fivefeet8 &-)---\|--< Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Smallville Posts: 7,700	PC Perspective - The State of NVIDIA: For better or for worse Interesting update on the AA situation in BM:AA. The relevant parts are bolded: "Another recent controversy around NVIDIA (they seem to find them frequently) has to do with the company's The Way It’s Meant to Be Played (TWIMTBP) program and the relationship between it and game developers. Recently a marketing rep from AMD claimed that some recently released titles were "proprietary" and NVIDIA's involvement in development caused those software teams to unfairly tweak their games for NVIDIA's hardware. The titles in question? Batman: Arkham Asylum, Resident Evil 5 and Need for Speed: Shift. Batman was especially controversial as it enabled in-game antialiasing support ONLY on NVIDIA hardware while AMD cards were required to use control panel based AA. The difference there is that there are definite performance advantages to letting the game engine itself decide how and where to apply the image quality feature rather than "brute forcing" the entire scene. In reality, I think this claim from AMD is pretty much unfounded - NVIDIA has long been accused of doing things like this but AMD has similar relationships with developers - see games like Battle Forge, DiRT 2 and Tom Clancy's H.A.W.X. The truth is that both sides of the coin work as closely as possible with developers to make sure the latest titles work as well as possible on their own hardware. But without a doubt, NVIDIA's development efforts in this area are much more extensive. The developer relations team at NVIDIA is significantly larger, has a significantly larger budget and in general works with more developers than AMD's. In the case of Batman's AA support, NVIDIA essentially built the AA engine explicitly for Eidos - AA didn't exist in the game engine before that. NVIDIA knew that this title was going to be a big seller on the PC and spent the money/time to get it working on their hardware. Eidos told us in an email conversation that the offer was made to AMD for them to send engineers to their studios and do the same work NVIDIA did for its own hardware, but AMD declined. " __________________ Play emulated games online Main Rig\|\|Intel Q6600@3.2 ghertz\|4x1gb DDR2 1066\|Asrock 1600sli 110db LGA 775\|EVGA 8800gtx@620/1450/975\|2x Seagate 160gb SATA150 Raid0\|250 gb Samsung SATA2 HD\|Seagate 7000.10 500gb HD\|NEC 3520 4x/8x DVD+R/RW DL burner\|Antec TP 650 watt\|40" Sony Bravia 1080p\|20.1" 5ms LCD 1680x1050 Native\|Logitec 5.1 Speaker System w/15" Sub\|Dual Boot Ubuntu 64bit/Vista 32bit\|\| SimplyBuyIt - Health&Nutrition

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Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,918	no link, one of my old techhw contacts got in touch with him and enquired about it. As is known, its not a rare occurence either, many, many developers who request support from ATI, either via hardware samples or engineer level support have had similar experiences. __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

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