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sagi · September 22nd, 2009

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Originally Posted by Squall-Leonhart

Quoting myself to indicate your failure to read.

They didn't comply. If that was the case, then why didn't anyone have their GPUs fixed? If that was true, AT LEAST ONE COMPANY WOULD DO THAT. Also, why didn't nVidia push the OEMs to do so? Their reputation is now tarnished because of this. Everyone is weary of nVidia's mainstream ****ty GPUs. Especially when they keep rebadging.

Squall-Leonhart · September 22nd, 2009

The vendors never issued a recall. thats the problem. Dell knew about the issue and never issued a recall for the simple "excuse" that the products were end of life.

Regardless, Any of the decent brands should have replaced the card with an unaffected card of equal performance. BFG would've replaced it with a card of equal or higher performance.

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sagi · September 22nd, 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squall-Leonhart

The vendors never issued a recall. thats the problem. Dell knew about the issue and never issued a recall for the simple "excuse" that the products were end of life.

Regardless, Any of the decent brands should have replaced the card with an unaffected card of equal performance. BFG would've replaced it with a card of equal or higher performance.

In the end, it's nVidia fault for making the faulty GPUs in the beginning, nVidia's image has been tarnished and there's no one to blame but them. It's not the OEM's job to keep nVidia's image good and lose money. They've lost a good deal of customers because of this fiasco that could have been avoided in the beginning by making a reliable product.

Squall-Leonhart · September 22nd, 2009

once the chip is in the vendors hands, all blame and responsibility is on them to ensure the part is working, handle replacements, and issue recalls.

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · September 22nd, 2009

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Originally Posted by sagi

How about fixing the rest of the GTX2XX series now?

What's wrong with the GTX2XX series now?

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Squall-Leonhart · September 22nd, 2009

Nothing, unless you count vendors releasing preoverclocked boards and not implementing the correct timings in the bios for those overclocks.

100% of Drivers damaging cards is the card is preoverclocked
100% of drivers causing unexplained crashes on the minority while the majority have no issues are preoverclocked cards.

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · September 22nd, 2009

For an issue that's apparently so big this is the first I have heard of it...and that's with keeping an eye on an actual hardware shop that sells pre-overclocked cards such as the ASUS TOP cards and the XFX XXX cards etc.
In fact I have seen far more AMD RMAs than nVidia issues of any sort over the past year.

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Squall-Leonhart · September 22nd, 2009

lol, XFX and ASUS implement corrected timings, BFG is known not to according to mikeyakame

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · September 22nd, 2009

Lol figures, the one brand barely sold in this country is the one with all the issues.

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**Cid Highwind** · September 22nd, 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squall-Leonhart

once the chip is in the vendors hands, all blame and responsibility is on them to ensure the part is working, handle replacements, and issue recalls.

Seconded. A customer should always turn to the shop where he bought it, as that's the person he has a sales contract with. Only if it's out of warranty you could be legally referred to the producer of the cards.

That nVidia didn't do a recall is too bad for the customers and certainly no good PR. It's up to individual warranty now for consumers to claim their rights. It's definitely an oversight of nVidia's production as well though, and it's simply a disgusting fact that they ignored it so that the new laptop series have the same problems (9600m series for instance). I can fully understand that this can be a valid reason to avoid future nVidia cards, just as much as driver problems might be a turn off for past ATi customers.

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Squall-Leonhart · September 22nd, 2009

:P not the only thing... BFG has massive issues,
7 month old cards dieing, then having replacement parts sent that are either lower spec, or don't work..... and thats not just the gpu section.

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Squall-Leonhart · September 22nd, 2009

Schumi, i came to a eureka moment on your issue with driver installs not sticking btw.

its potentially a corrupted security catalogue (secedit.db) since this controls the permissions and access to signature verification... this might help

How do I restore security settings to the default settings?

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**Cid Highwind** · September 22nd, 2009

Squall, there's edit buttons, and PM buttons, you could've used any of these

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Squall-Leonhart · September 22nd, 2009

The Forum usually handles it itself :P not my fault the double post mod breaks sometimes.

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**Cid Highwind** · September 22nd, 2009

I thought it was disabled recently, take your own responsibility you lazy bugger

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Squall-Leonhart · September 22nd, 2009

:P not disabled, just the odd glitch for some reason :\

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sagi · September 23rd, 2009

It seems by this point, we almost have a confirmation that Squall has a skull as thick as a 70 years old.

Humor me, how come ATi doesn't have as many problems with factory overclocked GPUs? I've never heard of anyone having problems with a Vapor X.

Squall-Leonhart · September 23rd, 2009

Because ATI uses driver level profiling to inhibit the full performance of their entire range of HD4xxx series, not to mention has specific profiling for every single vendor within the driver.

Thats not to mention ATI also has a tight lock on exactly which of their card vendors are allowed to overclock, which is illegal since they are basically stifling the market.

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September 22nd, 2009	#22 (permalink)
Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,854	The vendors never issued a recall. thats the problem. Dell knew about the issue and never issued a recall for the simple "excuse" that the products were end of life. Regardless, Any of the decent brands should have replaced the card with an unaffected card of equal performance. BFG would've replaced it with a card of equal or higher performance. __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

September 22nd, 2009	#24 (permalink)
Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,854	once the chip is in the vendors hands, all blame and responsibility is on them to ensure the part is working, handle replacements, and issue recalls. __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

September 22nd, 2009	#26 (permalink)
Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,854	Nothing, unless you count vendors releasing preoverclocked boards and not implementing the correct timings in the bios for those overclocks. 100% of Drivers damaging cards is the card is preoverclocked 100% of drivers causing unexplained crashes on the minority while the majority have no issues are preoverclocked cards. __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

September 22nd, 2009	#27 (permalink)
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Corrupt Rapist run South Africa Posts: 11,327	For an issue that's apparently so big this is the first I have heard of it...and that's with keeping an eye on an actual hardware shop that sells pre-overclocked cards such as the ASUS TOP cards and the XFX XXX cards etc. In fact I have seen far more AMD RMAs than nVidia issues of any sort over the past year. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!! Last edited by SCHUMI_4EVER; September 22nd, 2009 at 17:49..

September 22nd, 2009	#28 (permalink)
Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,854	lol, XFX and ASUS implement corrected timings, BFG is known not to according to mikeyakame __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

September 22nd, 2009	#29 (permalink)
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Corrupt Rapist run South Africa Posts: 11,327	Lol figures, the one brand barely sold in this country is the one with all the issues. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

September 22nd, 2009	#31 (permalink)
Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,854	:P not the only thing... BFG has massive issues, 7 month old cards dieing, then having replacement parts sent that are either lower spec, or don't work..... and thats not just the gpu section. __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

September 22nd, 2009	#32 (permalink)
Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,854	Schumi, i came to a eureka moment on your issue with driver installs not sticking btw. its potentially a corrupted security catalogue (secedit.db) since this controls the permissions and access to signature verification... this might help How do I restore security settings to the default settings? __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

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Cid Highwind Human Metal Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Holland / Hungary Posts: 13,541	Squall, there's edit buttons, and PM buttons, you could've used any of these __________________ PC Specs: CPU: Intel Q8200 @ 2.8GHz GPU: Sapphire ATi HD4870 / 1024MB / Core: 801 / Mem: 1000 Mobo: Gigabyte EP35-DS3 (rev 2.1) SPU: Creative X-Fi Xtreme Music RAM: 2GB Kingston HyperX DDR2 1066 @ 4-4-4-12 ~ 800MHz HDD: 1TB Samsung Spinpoint, 32MB PSU: Hiper Type-R 580W Monitor: Iiyama B2403WS / 19201200 Geometry Wars: 198.400 Lumines: 999.999 Join the NGEmu Folding @ Home community NOW!*

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Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,854	The Forum usually handles it itself :P not my fault the double post mod breaks sometimes. __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

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Cid Highwind Human Metal Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Holland / Hungary Posts: 13,541	I thought it was disabled recently, take your own responsibility you lazy bugger __________________ PC Specs: CPU: Intel Q8200 @ 2.8GHz GPU: Sapphire ATi HD4870 / 1024MB / Core: 801 / Mem: 1000 Mobo: Gigabyte EP35-DS3 (rev 2.1) SPU: Creative X-Fi Xtreme Music RAM: 2GB Kingston HyperX DDR2 1066 @ 4-4-4-12 ~ 800MHz HDD: 1TB Samsung Spinpoint, 32MB PSU: Hiper Type-R 580W Monitor: Iiyama B2403WS / 19201200 Geometry Wars: 198.400 Lumines: 999.999 Join the NGEmu Folding @ Home community NOW!*

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Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,854	:P not disabled, just the odd glitch for some reason :\ __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

September 23rd, 2009	#37 (permalink)
sagi Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 62	It seems by this point, we almost have a confirmation that Squall has a skull as thick as a 70 years old. Humor me, how come ATi doesn't have as many problems with factory overclocked GPUs? I've never heard of anyone having problems with a Vapor X.

September 23rd, 2009	#38 (permalink)
Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,854	Because ATI uses driver level profiling to inhibit the full performance of their entire range of HD4xxx series, not to mention has specific profiling for every single vendor within the driver. Thats not to mention ATI also has a tight lock on exactly which of their card vendors are allowed to overclock, which is illegal since they are basically stifling the market. __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.