Planning on building my own gaming pc any suggestions? - Page 2

Kaizen · September 7th, 2009

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Squall-Leonhart · September 7th, 2009

They have improved a bit, but their Failure rates are still too high for my liking.

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Fadingz · September 7th, 2009

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They have improved a bit, but their Failure rates are still too high for my liking.

I'd suggest ThermalTake, but their series below ToughPower isn't all that great :/

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · September 8th, 2009

Antec just like Thermaltake and some other companies sell some PSUs in their budget lines which are complete garbage whereas their high-end and a lot more expensive PSUs are as solid as they come.

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Squall-Leonhart · September 8th, 2009

truepower is the high end, and thats where the failures mostly occured.

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Fadingz · September 8th, 2009

Only ToughPower is the real solid one from ThermalTake I think, but it's extremely stable like something else.

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crhylove · September 8th, 2009

Definitely go with a phenom x4 of some kind. They are cheap and very powerful. You can definitely build a good machine for that price, but if you maybe went up to $850 or so, you could also get a small SSD for your OS to sit on, and some other little perks that will make your machine much faster.

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Fadingz · September 8th, 2009

Never get SSD, it's a waste. Get one of the Raptor series.

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LoneWolf · September 8th, 2009

you can try the Core i5 if you want.

strike105x · September 8th, 2009

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Originally Posted by crhylove

Definitely go with a phenom x4 of some kind. They are cheap and very powerful. You can definitely build a good machine for that price, but if you maybe went up to $850 or so, you could also get a small SSD for your OS to sit on, and some other little perks that will make your machine much faster.

Phenom II X4 actually (I'm pretty sure that is what you meant but wouldn't want to cause a confusion for him :P)

Also i'd rather take a raptor over a SSD to.

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Squall-Leonhart · September 9th, 2009

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Never get SSD, it's a waste. Get one of the Raptor series.

even Raptor is a waste, a good high density drive outpaces the raptors.

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Fadingz · September 9th, 2009

You can't really see the difference on HDD's unless you do a lot of large file read/save.

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · September 9th, 2009

Or you run a PC solely to get insane benchmarks.

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Squall-Leonhart · September 9th, 2009

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You can't really see the difference on HDD's unless you do a lot of large file read/save.

:P the WD Caviar Blue is faster then raptors for file writes.

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Fadingz · September 9th, 2009

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:P the WD Caviar Blue is faster then raptors for file writes.

either way, get two cheap drives and stick them in RAID 0. xD

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Lord Zedeck · September 9th, 2009

RAID probably gives even less of a performance increase. I remember wanting to try doing that, since I had six drives (at the time) and the motherboard for it (essentially the same you have), but I made sure to read up on it alot before doing so, and I discovered and figured it wasn't worth the risk/loss of one drive for the very small (less than even I thought and was hoping for) performance increase. The bottom line always seemed to be this. RAID, in almost all forms, was never meant for home/desktop PCs, but rather the server market, and the increases (or lack of them) show this.

They may not be the best around, but my four drivers work quick enough for me anyway, so I didn't care that it wasn't worth it. I was half doing it just because the enthusiast in me wanted to. Come to think of it, I have the drives Squall-Leonhart mentioned. They have been renamed from the 640GB AAKS to the Caviar Blue (as a result, two of my 640 drives are the old pre-named ones, and the newer two are called the Caviar Blue on the label).

The high-end Black series is the same exact thing, just with 32MB cache.

There's also the Green series, which I'm not sure what the differences are it has, but it's supposed to be the lesser of the Blue series, marketed as the energy efficient (hence "Green"), and I also heard it (at least the 1TB model) has a bad reputation for poor/performance and/or failure (forgot which).

P.S. It's not large write/read speeds, but mostly the smaller/burst read speeds, or whatever they're called, that matter most when it comes to making the response seem "snappier", since that's what the OS/other basic stuff does alot more. Copying files works best on quicker actual writes, yes, but it's not too often that happens for most people. For those people, the gains are a little more pronounced though.

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Fadingz · September 9th, 2009

you need raid supporting drives to do raid, raptor isn't meant to be used in RAID, to be honest

The ones meant for RAID are the cheap ones.
I just have windows installed on it, or I would swapped to RAID 1

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Lord Zedeck · September 9th, 2009

You do? That sounds like news to me. No, I'm pretty sure any (or almost any) drive can be used in RAID. RAID is done from outside the drive itself via a controller (the southbridge on the motherboard, or with an add-in adapter card, using either software or hardware), therefore it's not something the drive itself needs to "support". It's not like a function built into it. I've even heard USB drives can be put into RAID, and although you'd need the drivers/method for it, and while it'd be slow to the point to where you'd question why it'd be done, I'm pretty sure that proves the drive itself doesn't need to be RAID supportive. You just need a motherboard that supports it or a RAID adapter card (these are expensive but better because they're hardware, not software like the built in motherboard solutions) to be able to do it.

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Fadingz · September 9th, 2009

Yes you can set up any two identical drives(or optimal result) for RAID, but the performance increase is not the same.

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Lord Zedeck · September 9th, 2009

The drive has very little to nothing to do with the performance increase. It mostly has to do with the controller itself. For example, in our cases, we'd see less of a gain using the onboard built-in solution in our motherboards which is done via the South bridge chipset/software. An actual dedicated RAID hardware card (they're expensive) would net better results, less CPU usage, etc., etc., but it's only worth going that far if you're using it in a server. It's all about the controller doing the RAID, and very little on the drive itself. If the drive itself is slow or fast, the gains will be less or more respectively, yes. That's obvious, but there's no such thing as drives that support RAID and those that don't or whatever. That's honestly the first time I've heard that said.

P.S. Also, the drives need not be identical, but for practical use, yes they should be.

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Kaizen Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sucking your penis Posts: 2,717	red bull helps keep your edge when building and testing Last edited by Kaizen; September 9th, 2009 at 02:02..

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Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,854	They have improved a bit, but their Failure rates are still too high for my liking. __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

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SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Corrupt Rapist run South Africa Posts: 11,327	Antec just like Thermaltake and some other companies sell some PSUs in their budget lines which are complete garbage whereas their high-end and a lot more expensive PSUs are as solid as they come. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

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Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,854	truepower is the high end, and thats where the failures mostly occured. __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

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crhylove Resident Rabble Rouser Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 122	Definitely go with a phenom x4 of some kind. They are cheap and very powerful. You can definitely build a good machine for that price, but if you maybe went up to $850 or so, you could also get a small SSD for your OS to sit on, and some other little perks that will make your machine much faster. __________________ Drifting along, floating down a freeway, at night.... http://myspace.com/khanz

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LoneWolf she's my cherry pie Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Why do you want to know ? Posts: 1,255	you can try the Core i5 if you want.

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SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Corrupt Rapist run South Africa Posts: 11,327	Or you run a PC solely to get insane benchmarks. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

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Lord Zedeck Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,806	RAID probably gives even less of a performance increase. I remember wanting to try doing that, since I had six drives (at the time) and the motherboard for it (essentially the same you have), but I made sure to read up on it *alot* before doing so, and I discovered and figured it wasn't worth the risk/loss of one drive for the very small (less than even I thought and was hoping for) performance increase. The bottom line always seemed to be this. RAID, in almost all forms, was never meant for home/desktop PCs, but rather the server market, and the increases (or lack of them) show this. They may not be the best around, but my four drivers work quick enough for me anyway, so I didn't care that it wasn't worth it. I was half doing it just because the enthusiast in me wanted to. Come to think of it, I have the drives Squall-Leonhart mentioned. They have been renamed from the 640GB AAKS to the Caviar Blue (as a result, two of my 640 drives are the old pre-named ones, and the newer two are called the Caviar Blue on the label). The high-end Black series is the same exact thing, just with 32MB cache. There's also the Green series, which I'm not sure what the differences are it has, but it's supposed to be the lesser of the Blue series, marketed as the energy efficient (hence "Green"), and I also heard it (at least the 1TB model) has a bad reputation for poor/performance and/or failure (forgot which). P.S. It's not large write/read speeds, but mostly the smaller/burst read speeds, or whatever they're called, that matter most when it comes to making the response seem "snappier", since that's what the OS/other basic stuff does alot more. Copying files works best on quicker actual writes, yes, but it's not too often that happens for most people. For those people, the gains are a little more pronounced though. __________________ "Without forgiveness, life is governed by an endless cycle of resentment and retaliation." "Judge people not of their mistakes, but on how they handle those mistakes." Core 2 Duo E8600 @4.0GHz- ASUS Maximus Formula (Rampage Formula BIOS 0701) - 8GB (4x 2GB) Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 MSI nVidia GeForce 8800GT 512MB - 4x Western Digital Caviar 6400AAKS (2,560GB total) - PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610 IBM P275 21" CRT (1600x1200 @100Hz) - Logitech Z-2300 2.1 Sound System - Windows 7 64-bit & Windows XP SP3

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Lord Zedeck Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,806	You do? That sounds like news to me. No, I'm pretty sure any (or almost any) drive can be used in RAID. RAID is done from outside the drive itself via a controller (the southbridge on the motherboard, or with an add-in adapter card, using either software or hardware), therefore it's not something the drive itself needs to "support". It's not like a function built into it. I've even heard USB drives can be put into RAID, and although you'd need the drivers/method for it, and while it'd be slow to the point to where you'd question why it'd be done, I'm pretty sure that proves the drive itself doesn't need to be RAID supportive. You just need a motherboard that supports it or a RAID adapter card (these are expensive but better because they're hardware, not software like the built in motherboard solutions) to be able to do it. __________________ "Without forgiveness, life is governed by an endless cycle of resentment and retaliation." "Judge people not of their mistakes, but on how they handle those mistakes." Core 2 Duo E8600 @4.0GHz- ASUS Maximus Formula (Rampage Formula BIOS 0701) - 8GB (4x 2GB) Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 MSI nVidia GeForce 8800GT 512MB - 4x Western Digital Caviar 6400AAKS (2,560GB total) - PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610 IBM P275 21" CRT (1600x1200 @100Hz) - Logitech Z-2300 2.1 Sound System - Windows 7 64-bit & Windows XP SP3

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Lord Zedeck Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,806	The drive has very little to nothing to do with the performance increase. It mostly has to do with the controller itself. For example, in our cases, we'd see less of a gain using the onboard built-in solution in our motherboards which is done via the South bridge chipset/software. An actual dedicated RAID hardware card (they're expensive) would net better results, less CPU usage, etc., etc., but it's only worth going that far if you're using it in a server. It's all about the controller doing the RAID, and very little on the drive itself. If the drive itself is slow or fast, the gains will be less or more respectively, yes. That's obvious, but there's no such thing as drives that support RAID and those that don't or whatever. That's honestly the first time I've heard that said. P.S. Also, the drives need not be identical, but for practical use, yes they should be. __________________ "Without forgiveness, life is governed by an endless cycle of resentment and retaliation." "Judge people not of their mistakes, but on how they handle those mistakes." Core 2 Duo E8600 @4.0GHz- ASUS Maximus Formula (Rampage Formula BIOS 0701) - 8GB (4x 2GB) Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 MSI nVidia GeForce 8800GT 512MB - 4x Western Digital Caviar 6400AAKS (2,560GB total) - PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610 IBM P275 21" CRT (1600x1200 @100Hz) - Logitech Z-2300 2.1 Sound System - Windows 7 64-bit & Windows XP SP3