processor question

does the AMD Athlon XP 2000 still have those temperature problems?i was wondering because that determines whether i can get one or not.

[Raziel]

Well,even if it has temperature problem,a good heatsink/fan combo will always fix it.

[Kane]

I dint know that any oth the xp's had temp probs. I'm still using the default heatsing/fan I got w/mine

[Raziel]

Well,it's not really a problem,but they tend to run between 50°C and 60°C with a normal fan,while with a good fan you can get under 40°C.

well i wasnt sure if the athlon xp had a heat problem, but i know the original athlon does.anyway it looks like i wont have a problem with it if i get it.thanks for the info

[Demigod]

Athlon XPs have the same heat problem as with the original Athlons. I believe they have an on-die thermal diode but it only works with a special chip on the motherboard. Most motherboard don't have the chip though. Still, as long as you put a good heatsink/fan on the CPU you shouldn't have any heat problems.

[fivefeet8]

Originally posted by Demigod79
Athlon XPs have the same heat problem as with the original Athlons. I believe they have an on-die thermal diode but it only works with a special chip on the motherboard. Most motherboard don't have the chip though. Still, as long as you put a good heatsink/fan on the CPU you shouldn't have any heat problems.

The Athlons Xp's still run hotter than any of the intel chips, but they don't run as hot as older Athlons.. The new polomino core they are based on was designed in such a way that the athlon xp's are running with much less heat than older athlons tbirds.. The athlon-C also runs cooler than older athlons.. That's one of the reasons why the Athlon Xp's are able to reach higher clock speeds..

The heat issue is rather mute because a good Heatsink+fan can keep the athlons xp's nice and cool.. My athlon-C 1.4 gig 266 mhz FSB cpu never goes above 47 C..

[gerbilcannon]

I figured that this link could be amusing about now:

http://www.de.tomshardware.com/cpu/0...mstufe-01.html

[Kane]

Any chance you have an English... or at lease Engrish version of that?

[Demigod]

Originally posted by Lord Kane
Any chance you have an English... or at lease Engrish version of that?

http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q3/010917/index.html

This article came out a while ago. It shows how modern CPUs deal with heat emergencies. They ran a CPU intensive program (Quake 3) on a P3, P4, Athlon T-bird and Athlon MP/XP and removed the heatsink. Result: both Intel CPUs survived (and the P4 even kept going at a slower pace), but both AMD CPUs died (as well as the mobo). Even the new Athlon MP (which has a thermal doide) went up in smoke in mere seconds. You can download the video (included in the article) and see for yourself.

[Kane]

So you pay twice the price for thermal protection?

[Demigod]

Originally posted by Lord Kane
So you pay twice the price for thermal protection?

The price gap between Intel and AMD isn't as big as it used to be.

Athlon XP 2000+ = $249
Pentium 4 2.0 Ghz = $301

The performance gap is also shrinking as more applications use SSE2 optimizations.

The article isn't to encourage you to buy Intel, but it's just so people are aware of the heat issues with AMD. You have to admit that the P4's thermal protection unit is pretty impressive.

[Kane]

Impressive. Most Impressive.

Yet I yound it funny that a 3gig p4 can be leveled by a 1.86gig Athlon.

[Zephon]

Originally posted by Lord Kane
Impressive. Most Impressive.

Yet I yound it funny that a 3gig p4 can be leveled by a 1.86gig Athlon.

The newer Pentium 4 Northwood are changing that. In fact, the 2.2GHz Northwood is close to the Athlon 2000+.

[Kane]

I love that. A p4 2.2 has to be measured against a 1.66 gig cpu

[Zephon]

Originally posted by Lord Kane
I love that. A p4 2.2 has to be measured against a 1.66 gig cpu

You have to remember that the P4 has a longer pipeline, which means less instructions per clock, but on the other hand, it can reach much higher frequencies. The athlon can execute more instructions per cycle, but less cycles per second. It has also much more difficulty to reach higher clocks, that's why AMD reach 2GHz yet.

[Kane]

I'm full aware of this, but it doesn't detract from the fact that you are more often than not, paying more for a lower performing cpu. IMO, Intel should have stuck with core updates to the p3 until the p4 was able to goto 2.5 gigs, cos then it can actualy get some semblance of decent performance

[Mr Urt]

how do u find out wat the temp of ur cpu's components are (processor, grfx card, ect.)¿

[Demigod]

Originally posted by Zephon
The newer Pentium 4 Northwood are changing that. In fact, the 2.2GHz Northwood is close to the Athlon 2000+.

Actually the 2.2 Ghz Northwood surpasses the Athlon 2000+ in most benchmarks.

Originally posted by Lord Kane
IMO, Intel should have stuck with core updates to the p3 until the p4 was able to goto 2.5 gigs, cos then it can actualy get some semblance of decent performance

Switching to a 0.13 micron process isn't a small step. In fact, it took Intel an entire year to develop the Tualatin, during which the highest P3 was clocked at 1 Ghz. Intel had to have something to fill in for the P3 and the P4 was their answer. Of course when the Tualatin was finally produced the Pentium 4 was well established in the market so Intel continued to promote it. The P4's long pipeline may be the bottleneck to its performance but it is absolutely necessary to reach higher clock speeds, and Intel's future depends on it. Intel isn't promoting it without good reason. AMD will probably have to implement a similar design when the Athlon outlives its usefulness.

At the moment the Pentium 4 has a much bigger advantage over the Athlon due to its scalability. It has a much higher speed potential than the Athlon. In order for AMD to keep up with the next series of processors from Intel they must switch to the 0.13 micron process (especially with the 133 [533] FSB P4s on the way).

[Kane]

I'm not talking about the future. I'm talking about now. At the mo, £/performance you are better off with amd.