ATi vs Nvidia 2008

[Gameman]

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I've never noticed that....not in PC or PS2 Games........ then again I don't like playing them....just making them work...

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[Gossamer]

Originally Posted by SCHUMI-4-EVA

At least they don't burn up...you realise that GeForce's usually run cooler than Radeons don't you?

Last time I checked, the reason my 8600gts died was because if burned to bits from a **** fan; not to mention my friend George's 9800gt.

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[Gameman]

You're forgetting there mate, I've HAD a Radeon.... Sapphire Radeon X1650 Pro 512 GDDR3...

I wasn't that impressed... Frankly a lot of cosmetic B.S.....

I seemed to remember Toxic being factory overclocked a shade higher when I was comparing the Toxics and the Sonics before my epic build...

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[SCHUMI_4EVER]

Originally Posted by Interverse

Last time I checked, the reason my 8600gts died was because if burned to bits from a **** fan; not to mention my friend George's 9800gt.

Yes but GTX260 and GTX280 owners were not experiencing dozens of VPU resets like HD48XX owners were originally experiencing...and some still do.

I will admit though that automatic fan control on both is absolutely dismal.

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[Gameman]

Naw, I still think 2 frames doesn't cut it......not enough to make me wanna actually have one...

....again.....

and let me tell ya mate, I've had a lot less problems with drivers and the like since I switched back to Nvidia.....

although it could be also cause I'm on a decent system now..

but still.......

Originally Posted by Interverse

Which has nothing to do with the performance of the card; those are just coolers and none of these cards are overclocked so Palit's sonic technology has nothing to do with anything.

Think again.......Here's a typical 4850, and below is a typical Toxic 4850...

Don't you see a little bit of a difference?????



The one ABOVE is the one the 9800 GTX+/GTX 250 is aimed at...at least that's what Schumi and Zedeck told me....Oh, and I know one's XP and ones Vista but that don't matter..... The sTOCK clocks are higher on the Toxic as is everything else...therefore it's faster......

hence those highly over-inflated results....

But that's , sadly how it usually is.....

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Last edited by Gameman; March 17th, 2009 at 00:26.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

[Gossamer]

Your choice to buy products from megalomaniac companies; not mine.
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[Gameman]

you know a company will do whatever it has to get the eye of the consumer...even if it has to exaggerate and in some cases fabricate...

...skewed naturally in their favor....


Seriously though, to be honest we got practically the same thing, just different pile... .that's all...

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[LoneWolf]

gameman accept it

HD 48xx series kicked 9xxx series but

Originally Posted by SCHUMI-4-EVA

I am in the exact same position as you DevinWolf (though besides a new screen I have everything I need), I keep on having to buy from a crappy PC shop rather than ordering online which greatly limits my choices.

If you can in any way you should aim for a 9800GTX+ my by the way, if you can't get that then get a HD4850, if you can't get that then get 9800GT or 8800GT and save the rest.

Well that guy does have all the parts and links of companies and orders what ever i want

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[SCHUMI_4EVER]

You're lucky then, most PC shops around here are very limited by what they can get for you, for instance it's virtually impossible to get Arctic cooling products here.

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[Gameman]

I didn't say it was better than aTI for speed....

I just meant that Nvidia can hold it's own against a similar Radeon...

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[Cid Highwind]

What are you babbling about gameman? These numbers can be calculated if you multiply the right numbers. That's how that program works, it takes the bus width and RAM speed and calculates your bandwidth. It's no rocket science. If YOU are impressed with these numbers but underwhelmed with their real life performance, it's your research that has failed, not this application or the factual numbers.

And yes, the 9800GTX+ and GTS250 are kinda the same thing, same chip, slightly different clocks and you don't even know what you're buying thanks to their scheme. The vendors have already complained about it, and we've already had XFX and Gainward produce ATi cards for some time.

As for the Crysis example, maybe you think it will not tip the scale, but this has been THE benchmark for nVidia to show their superiority. The 4850 now walks by that card EVEN in this benchmark. What do you expect this card now to do in other games that aren't that highly nVidia optimized? Ever played Race Driver Grid by any chance?

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[Gameman]

Naw, i never said they were faster or quicker, just better....

I have had a lot less conflits with my GTX 9800/GTS 250 than the my 1650 Pro... The 1650 Pro used to always fail after a certain point...

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[Cid Highwind]

True, never been a fan of ATi's midrange cards. The 9600 series was good from what I heard, but with the X1k to HD3k it wasn't too good in terms of speed and stability. My 3650 is nice, but with those generations it's better to have a lower class high end card instead. Like the 1900GT/1950Pro or 38XX cards. I have had surprisingly few crashes on my 4870 though, and I've had two since July last year. The biggest problems here are caused by me messing with them: Low OC overhead and folding doesn't like them that much either, probably still a driver issue. But for PC games they do the job fine.

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[Gameman]

I know, I I had to build this Pc again I'd opt for the 4870, despite PCSX 2 for the higher benchmark results or maybe even the Big 4870 Sapphire Toxic.....

It's down to 250.00 up here....more than 100.00 off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the inspiration.. Cid......

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[SCHUMI_4EVER]

Did you forget what was said about PCSX2 and ATI cards?

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[Gameman]

Well I just said so because it's dirt cheap, I'd still have the 9800 GTX/GTS250....Just wanted to see theoretically if the GDDR5 or higher clock offered anything or compensated for the off loading....especially with the higher clocked TOXIC....

Since you';re here today, what's your'e opinion on me upgrading from the 9800 GTX/GTS250 up to the GTX 280/GTX 280 OC?/???

Or would I only notice the yields in Crysis and stalker???????

Thanks for staying in touch mate......

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[SCHUMI_4EVER]

Only Crysis and stalker. Stick with what you have.

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[Gameman]

Awww,,, I kinda like the Idea of having the 280 Oc....Oh Well, if it's just money down the toilet.... forget it then.......

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[strike105x]

Originally Posted by Cid Highwind

True, never been a fan of ATi's midrange cards. The 9600 series was good from what I heard, but with the X1k to HD3k it wasn't too good in terms of speed and stability. My 3650 is nice, but with those generations it's better to have a lower class high end card instead. Like the 1900GT/1950Pro or 38XX cards. I have had surprisingly few crashes on my 4870 though, and I've had two since July last year. The biggest problems here are caused by me messing with them: Low OC overhead and folding doesn't like them that much either, probably still a driver issue. But for PC games they do the job fine.

ATi 9600 was a excellent card and as you say was probably the most successful of there mid range class. As for X1K considering what i payed for my X1550 was a excelent card, it could take on Crysis on low without any problems. Though from the X1K a problem arise'd for the mid ranged ATi cards, developers (like asus, for example) using the mid range cips especially launched a lot of models that failed to deliver a mid range performance or were faulty, you had (and still have) to do some serious research when buying a ATi mid ranged card (one of the best recommendations is sapphire for midranged). As for the X1650 i swear i dont know what the devs could have done (they probably where acting like cheapscates regarding something), but i seen many of those boards failing and geting broke/burned rather quickly(but still there are some good X1650 cards out there). So in conclusion ATi still delivers good mid ranged cards though (unlike with the 9600 series) some can be quite faulty, a mid ranged ati card should be bought only after some research has been done.

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