ATi vs Nvidia 2008 - Page 4

skoreanime · August 6th, 2008

/scratches head

Windows Server 2008

? Someone explain please, it's one of the OSs I've always ignored...but something like this I cannot

Squall-Leonhart · August 6th, 2008

the Server version has the services optimised, so less useless things are running, it also has some performance options enabled by default that aren't enabled in Vista, this allows it to gain higher scores in benchmark tools, and games

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runawayprisoner · August 6th, 2008

Yeap... and average over 30fps with the CPU_bench2... I think I have benched enough...

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**fivefeet8** · August 6th, 2008

PhysX Performance with GeForce

I've got a 8800gtx and a 8800gt in my second rig. 8800gtx + 8800gt(PhysX) would seem to work quite nicely for Phyx enabled applications.

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MrPink · August 6th, 2008

I'm still not sold on physx quite yet. I'm not going to stick with nvidia just because they have the physx perk on their cards...and currently that's all it is, a perk. Do I see physx support for Far Cry 2? Fallout 3? Physx support is still absent from blockbuster titles.

But I guess by the time physx is mainstream It'll be time for me to upgrade my video again (2 years hopefully), and then I might switch back to nvidia. Or AMD/ATI might develop their own technology that trumps physx.

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runawayprisoner · August 6th, 2008

Or you can just get a PhysX card for an extra $60.

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**fivefeet8** · August 6th, 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrPink

I'm still not sold on physx quite yet. I'm not going to stick with nvidia just because they have the physx perk on their cards...and currently that's all it is, a perk. Do I see physx support for Far Cry 2? Fallout 3? Physx support is still absent from blockbuster titles.

You don't need to be sold. It's free.

I think it's an interesting "perk" as it does show from those benchmarks what GPU physics can do over standard CPU physics performance.

I'll run some tests next week when the software is released.

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MrPink · August 6th, 2008

Ok, you are right. I should I have clarified, the technology is free, but requires an nvidia gpu to run. Right now, i'm more inclined to go ATI because my dollar goes further.

I guess it isn't possible to "game" on an ATI card, and use an nvidia as a dedicated PPU?

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**fivefeet8** · August 6th, 2008

Quote:

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I guess it isn't possible to "game" on an ATI card, and use an nvidia as a dedicated PPU?

Doesn't look like it at this point, but it's probably possible and more likely if AMD/ATi also jumps on board to support CUDA/PhysX. I think the technology is very interesting because it's flexible enough to allow you to use it on a single GPU, the CPU, or multiple GPU's in 2 different configurations.

SLI:
GPU1 + GPU2 - both process Physics with work split between both

SLI Alt:
GPU1 - does all GPU video rendering
GPU2 - does all Physics processing

Luckily, I have an extra 8800gt to spare and judging from the recent benchmarks, that configuration works quite well with PhysX.

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MrPink · August 6th, 2008

Yeah i have an 8800gtx but was planning on getting an ATI card next...the 4870X2 beats the pants off a gtx 280 and should cost the same.

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**fivefeet8** · August 7th, 2008

Quote:

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Do I see physx support for Far Cry 2? Fallout 3? Physx support is still absent from blockbuster titles.

I hear some rumors of Far Cry 2 supporting PhysX.

And for those who have Nvidia cards, you can actually get the phyx software now.

PhysX_8.07.18_SystemSoftwe.exe - FileFront.com

I'm downloading the Warmonger and UT3 physX maps.

Both can be downloaded at filefront.

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runawayprisoner · August 7th, 2008

And just as a side note, that PhysX drivers set needs to be installed on Windows Server 2003 for 3DMark Vantage to launch properly. ;p

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StriderVM · August 7th, 2008

Lame sidetrip, especially for someone like runawayprisoner.....

Benchmarks for the GeForce 9500GT :
NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT Performance Preview

Since the average prices for the 9500GT seems to be in the $100 range..... For me I'd rather buy the Radeon 3850. Plus the fact that the 3850 supports DX10.1.... The 9500GT doesn't......

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Phil · August 7th, 2008

but what game fully utilizes dx10.1??

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runawayprisoner · August 7th, 2008

You'll see. They are a-comin'.

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MrPink · August 7th, 2008

Apparently Assassin's Creed supported dx10.1 but then they removed it in a patch :/ apparently due to some "shove" from nvidia bc their cards don't support dx10.1, and it's a "way it's meant to be played game".

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runawayprisoner · August 7th, 2008

Oh who cares about nVidia?

Give me PhysX support on 4800, and you'll see 10,000+ scores!

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Squall-Leonhart · August 8th, 2008

Quote:

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Apparently Assassin's Creed supported dx10.1 but then they removed it in a patch :/ apparently due to some "shove" from nvidia bc their cards don't support dx10.1, and it's a "way it's meant to be played game".

No, it was because it was broken to the max, any speed improvement people were seeing on AMD cards was due to alot of effects missing from the 10.1 code path.

PhysX GPU Acceleration on Radeon Update
i don't think hes bull****ting either RAP

Regeneration isn't known for leading the community on.

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PsyMan · August 8th, 2008

Quote:

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Regeneration isn't known for leading the community on.

Welcome to the world of fanboyism, marketing, deals and false facts.

It's all the above that made 17 people vote for NVIDIA so far... ATi/AMD is currently kicking NVIDIA's ass yet people aim for nVidia. Reminds me the times where people were rooting for Pentium 4 CPUs while the equivalent Athlon XP processors (and even Intel's own mobile CPUs) were miles faster and cheaper.

I can't tell the future, but the present is clear and it has Radeon cards all over it. The current circumstances might even force ATi/AMD to fix their messed up drivers to avoid *****ing from unhappy customers... Yay!(?)

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Squall-Leonhart · August 8th, 2008

actually, Regeneration is pissed at ATi atm, because they won't provide review samples.

A far cry from previous years when it was nvidia that wouldn't provide one O.o.

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August 6th, 2008	#61 (permalink)
skoreanime Your resident reaper... Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 6,031	/scratches head Windows Server 2008 ? Someone explain please, it's one of the OSs I've always ignored...but something like this I cannot

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fivefeet8 &-)---\|--< Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Smallville Posts: 7,697	PhysX Performance with GeForce I've got a 8800gtx and a 8800gt in my second rig. 8800gtx + 8800gt(PhysX) would seem to work quite nicely for Phyx enabled applications. __________________ Play emulated games online Main Rig\|\|Intel Q6600@3.2 ghertz\|4x1gb DDR2 1066\|Asrock 1600sli 110db LGA 775\|EVGA 8800gtx@620/1450/975\|2x Seagate 160gb SATA150 Raid0\|250 gb Samsung SATA2 HD\|Seagate 7000.10 500gb HD\|NEC 3520 4x/8x DVD+R/RW DL burner\|Antec TP 650 watt\|40" Sony Bravia 1080p\|20.1" 5ms LCD 1680x1050 Native\|Logitec 5.1 Speaker System w/15" Sub\|Dual Boot Ubuntu 64bit/Vista 32bit\|\| SimplyBuyIt - Health&Nutrition

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MrPink McRoll'd Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Home Posts: 708	I'm still not sold on physx quite yet. I'm not going to stick with nvidia just because they have the physx perk on their cards...and currently that's all it is, a perk. Do I see physx support for Far Cry 2? Fallout 3? Physx support is still absent from blockbuster titles. But I guess by the time physx is mainstream It'll be time for me to upgrade my video again (2 years hopefully), and then I might switch back to nvidia. Or AMD/ATI might develop their own technology that trumps physx. __________________ Intel Q9550 @ 3.2ghz 1.2V l 4GB G.Skill Pi Series DDR2 1004MHz @ 5-5-5-15 1.8V l BFG 9800GX2 @ 600/1000 \| ASUS P5Q-E l PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad l 2x Seagate 250GB SATA, WD 500GB SATA \| Antec 1200 l OCZ Vendetta 2 with Scythe "Ultra Kaze" l Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit \|

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runawayprisoner Mobile Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 6,205	Or you can just get a PhysX card for an extra $60. __________________ cChip interpreter WIP - current status: Release Candidate LRx Filter RC - current performance rating: 9/10

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MrPink McRoll'd Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Home Posts: 708	Ok, you are right. I should I have clarified, the technology is free, but requires an nvidia gpu to run. Right now, i'm more inclined to go ATI because my dollar goes further. I guess it isn't possible to "game" on an ATI card, and use an nvidia as a dedicated PPU? __________________ Intel Q9550 @ 3.2ghz 1.2V l 4GB G.Skill Pi Series DDR2 1004MHz @ 5-5-5-15 1.8V l BFG 9800GX2 @ 600/1000 \| ASUS P5Q-E l PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad l 2x Seagate 250GB SATA, WD 500GB SATA \| Antec 1200 l OCZ Vendetta 2 with Scythe "Ultra Kaze" l Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit \|

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MrPink McRoll'd Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Home Posts: 708	Yeah i have an 8800gtx but was planning on getting an ATI card next...the 4870X2 beats the pants off a gtx 280 and should cost the same. __________________ Intel Q9550 @ 3.2ghz 1.2V l 4GB G.Skill Pi Series DDR2 1004MHz @ 5-5-5-15 1.8V l BFG 9800GX2 @ 600/1000 \| ASUS P5Q-E l PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad l 2x Seagate 250GB SATA, WD 500GB SATA \| Antec 1200 l OCZ Vendetta 2 with Scythe "Ultra Kaze" l Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit \|

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runawayprisoner Mobile Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 6,205	And just as a side note, that PhysX drivers set needs to be installed on Windows Server 2003 for 3DMark Vantage to launch properly. ;p __________________ cChip interpreter WIP - current status: Release Candidate LRx Filter RC - current performance rating: 9/10

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StriderVM Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Philippines Posts: 2,055	Lame sidetrip, especially for someone like runawayprisoner..... Benchmarks for the GeForce 9500GT : NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT Performance Preview Since the average prices for the 9500GT seems to be in the $100 range..... For me I'd rather buy the Radeon 3850. Plus the fact that the 3850 supports DX10.1.... The 9500GT doesn't...... __________________ Current PC specs : AsRock 945GCM-S Pentium Dual Core E5200 @ 2912Mhz (233x12.5) Palit Radeon 4850 Sonic 512MB gDDR3 2x2048MB Kingston DDR2 800Mhz RAM

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MrPink McRoll'd Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Home Posts: 708	Apparently Assassin's Creed supported dx10.1 but then they removed it in a patch :/ apparently due to some "shove" from nvidia bc their cards don't support dx10.1, and it's a "way it's meant to be played game". __________________ Intel Q9550 @ 3.2ghz 1.2V l 4GB G.Skill Pi Series DDR2 1004MHz @ 5-5-5-15 1.8V l BFG 9800GX2 @ 600/1000 \| ASUS P5Q-E l PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad l 2x Seagate 250GB SATA, WD 500GB SATA \| Antec 1200 l OCZ Vendetta 2 with Scythe "Ultra Kaze" l Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit \|

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