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**n_w95482** · September 1st, 2009

I've gotten my laptop's 7950 GTX up to 95 C for a few minutes before, ran perfectly fine

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bkwegoharder · September 1st, 2009

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Originally Posted by Phil

I would love to see a Notebook card hit 120C. They will throttle 50C lower then that.

Throttle at 70C? That is kinda low

runawayprisoner · September 1st, 2009

The correct wording should be "start to throttle" I think. They will just run slower once you hit that threshold. Beyond that... (up to 100C, I believe) you might want to cut the power or you risk frying them or other components.

Talking about which, I believe nVidia had some problems with materials earlier, but they tried to cover it all up, and the end result was that most major notebook/laptop manufacturers had GPUs that would fry themselves at around 70C or so... and in the process, kill other components as well. It cost them millions, and the trust of notebook/laptop manufacturers... hence you mostly see ATi chips in the mobile segment nowadays. If you see anything from nVidia, it's either GeForce 9400M or GeForce 9600M.

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gamefreak94 · September 1st, 2009

Or GTX260M in the ridiculously over-priced Alienwares and some of the higher-end ASUS gaming notebooks :P

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bkwegoharder · September 1st, 2009

wow, to have a gpu fry at 70C is crazy, Mines idles at 59C and it gets to 90C frequently when gaming. No problems or throttling yet though.

masta.g.86 · September 1st, 2009

The mobile 8 series reportedly had faulty thermal diodes which led to temps waaay above 70C. For nVidia mobile GPUs, the cooling fan is supposed to kick on and gradually run faster and faster until it can keep the GPU's temperature in check. If the fan is unable to, then the GPU's drivers will kick in and begin forcing the GPU to throttle its clock speed. Both of these functions require a properly working thermal diode.

As for the article, there isn't a single mobile HD4000 series available anywhere. Manufacturers have thus far announced their support for ATI, but haven't actually dropped nVidia in favor of it.

I recently "discovered" that the mobile HD3000 series has been around for a while but the only platforms I could find it on were the AMD Turion CPU-based platforms. This is why it took me so long to find out.

I generally look at the high-end notebooks from companies like Sager and I haven't seen a mobile ATI GPU in the high-end segment since prior to the acquisition of ATI by AMD. I remember that the X1800 was ATI's champ, but then ATI fell quiet as both businesses stabilized afterward.

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seinfeldx · September 1st, 2009

there's already some laptop with hd4000 ( lots with hd3000), only some have AMD processor, for exemple nvidia had 9000's for a long time and now that the 100 came out the 200 came out too, so 100 was probably hold back, might happened the same thing with hd4000 ( so company's could sell more hd3000 before the new generation came out) or didn't come out long enough so it can be in most ati graphic card laptop.

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masta.g.86 · September 1st, 2009

Really?

Even ATI doesn't provide any manufacturer links to laptop models with mobile HD4000s. lol

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**n_w95482** · September 1st, 2009

I just did a quick search on Newegg for laptops containing a Mobility Radeon 4870 X2, 4650, 4570, or 4330 and ended up with 32 results. That's more than I expected

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**Cid Highwind** · September 7th, 2009

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Originally Posted by masta.g.86

The mobile 8 series reportedly had faulty thermal diodes which led to temps waaay above 70C. For nVidia mobile GPUs, the cooling fan is supposed to kick on and gradually run faster and faster until it can keep the GPU's temperature in check. If the fan is unable to, then the GPU's drivers will kick in and begin forcing the GPU to throttle its clock speed. Both of these functions require a properly working thermal diode.

As for the article, there isn't a single mobile HD4000 series available anywhere. Manufacturers have thus far announced their support for ATI, but haven't actually dropped nVidia in favor of it.

I recently "discovered" that the mobile HD3000 series has been around for a while but the only platforms I could find it on were the AMD Turion CPU-based platforms. This is why it took me so long to find out.

I generally look at the high-end notebooks from companies like Sager and I haven't seen a mobile ATI GPU in the high-end segment since prior to the acquisition of ATI by AMD. I remember that the X1800 was ATI's champ, but then ATI fell quiet as both businesses stabilized afterward.

Actually, I see plenty of HD4k series laptops everywhere. Still quite a few nVidia as well, but I think they really messed up with that production error in one of the metals used.

My biggest problem is that nVidia rebranded its cards, again, and I really don't have a single clue what it would mean if a laptop has a mobile GT105 in it. I'd pick ATi right now simply because it's the only way to be sure to know what you actually buy. There's no consistency with nVidia in neither quality nor naming.

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Squall-Leonhart · September 7th, 2009

The 10x are rebranded 8xxx chips.

don't worry... they will be rebranding again soon since its a confusing mess now.

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makotech222 · September 8th, 2009

my friends dell with a 8600gt actually burns my fingers when i use the trackpad, thats how hot it runs. omg its soooo horrible. im glad i got my lenovo.

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**blueshogun96** · 3 Weeks Ago

3Dfx Voodoo 3 still owns

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masta.g.86 · 3 Weeks Ago

You meant to say Voodoo 2, right? God, that card was so freaking awesome!

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Aided Onslaught · 2 Weeks Ago

I still miss my voodoo 3...but right now, I'm going insane trying to get a ati 5870...looks like my new computer will have my old 1950pro till I can get one.

Squall-Leonhart · 2 Weeks Ago

waste of money.
the 5xxx series is just the 4xxx series with doubled specs and a poorly performing tesselator tacked on.

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makotech222 · 2 Weeks Ago

yet its the most powerful card out right now?

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Squall-Leonhart · 2 Weeks Ago

Most powerful single gpu card, yes.
most powerful card, no.

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Aided Onslaught · 2 Weeks Ago

I don't see it as a waste at all. and since I haven't upgraded in over 3 years, going all out with the fastest card overall right now is a good idea to me. Also 27W idle time compared to 90...that's nice...

Squall-Leonhart · 2 Weeks Ago

It would make you a fool for throwing away money on a card thats likely to be usurped and replaced within the next 3-6 months.

ATI know the current top end 5 cards aren't delivering and are planning a 59xx refresh.

That said, your crazy to buy now when the nvidia 10 series will drive ATI prices into the basement where they belong.
Throwing money at Old technology isn't upgrading. regardless if its got twice the amount of old technology.

Its the early adopters that end up ****ty, when the real new Dx games show up and eat their cards.

ATI threw more shaders at the problem, when the real limitation on tesselation is the rops.

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September 1st, 2009	#401 (permalink)
n_w95482 Totally crazy Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: California Posts: 4,770	I've gotten my laptop's 7950 GTX up to 95 C for a few minutes before, ran perfectly fine . __________________ Main PC: Asus P6T Deluxe, Intel Core i7 920 C0 @ 3.7 GHz (195x19, 1.3v core, 1.84v PLL, 1.3625v uncore) w/Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme, 3x2 GB G Skill PC3-12800 @ 780 MHz, 7-7-7-21-1T, 1.66v; ATi Radeon HD 4870 1 GB @ 790/1000 w/Zalman VF-1000, 300 GB WD VelociRaptor, 4x500 GB WD RE2 (RAID 10), 3ware 9650SE-4LPML RAID controller, SB X-Fi Titanium, Seasonic M12D 750w, CM Stacker 810, Windows 7 Pro 64-bit, Dell 2007WFP XBL/PSN/WoW: Thordrune

September 1st, 2009	#403 (permalink)
runawayprisoner Mobile Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 6,198	The correct wording should be "start to throttle" I think. They will just run slower once you hit that threshold. Beyond that... (up to 100C, I believe) you might want to cut the power or you risk frying them or other components. Talking about which, I believe nVidia had some problems with materials earlier, but they tried to cover it all up, and the end result was that most major notebook/laptop manufacturers had GPUs that would fry themselves at around 70C or so... and in the process, kill other components as well. It cost them millions, and the trust of notebook/laptop manufacturers... hence you mostly see ATi chips in the mobile segment nowadays. If you see anything from nVidia, it's either GeForce 9400M or GeForce 9600M. __________________ cChip interpreter WIP - current status: Release Candidate LRx Filter RC - current performance rating: 9/10

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gamefreak94 Die anime!! Die!! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: پاكستان <--- Urdu Posts: 6,256	Or GTX260M in the ridiculously over-priced Alienwares and some of the higher-end ASUS gaming notebooks :P __________________ How to configure uTorrent for maximum upload and download speed?

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bkwegoharder Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 310	wow, to have a gpu fry at 70C is crazy, Mines idles at 59C and it gets to 90C frequently when gaming. No problems or throttling yet though.

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seinfeldx Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Lisbon Posts: 282	there's already some laptop with hd4000 ( lots with hd3000), only some have AMD processor, for exemple nvidia had 9000's for a long time and now that the 100 came out the 200 came out too, so 100 was probably hold back, might happened the same thing with hd4000 ( so company's could sell more hd3000 before the new generation came out) or didn't come out long enough so it can be in most ati graphic card laptop. __________________ C2D E6550 @ 2333 Mhz \| HD2600XT \| P5KC \| 1 + 1 GB G.Skill 6400HK 800 4.4.3.5

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n_w95482 Totally crazy Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: California Posts: 4,770	I just did a quick search on Newegg for laptops containing a Mobility Radeon 4870 X2, 4650, 4570, or 4330 and ended up with 32 results. That's more than I expected . __________________ Main PC: Asus P6T Deluxe, Intel Core i7 920 C0 @ 3.7 GHz (195x19, 1.3v core, 1.84v PLL, 1.3625v uncore) w/Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme, 3x2 GB G Skill PC3-12800 @ 780 MHz, 7-7-7-21-1T, 1.66v; ATi Radeon HD 4870 1 GB @ 790/1000 w/Zalman VF-1000, 300 GB WD VelociRaptor, 4x500 GB WD RE2 (RAID 10), 3ware 9650SE-4LPML RAID controller, SB X-Fi Titanium, Seasonic M12D 750w, CM Stacker 810, Windows 7 Pro 64-bit, Dell 2007WFP XBL/PSN/WoW: Thordrune

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Aided Onslaught Ocean Soul Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Charleston, S.C. Posts: 1,389	I still miss my voodoo 3...but right now, I'm going insane trying to get a ati 5870...looks like my new computer will have my old 1950pro till I can get one.

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Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,822	waste of money. the 5xxx series is just the 4xxx series with doubled specs and a poorly performing tesselator tacked on. __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

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Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,822	Most powerful single gpu card, yes. most powerful card, no. __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

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Aided Onslaught Ocean Soul Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Charleston, S.C. Posts: 1,389	I don't see it as a waste at all. and since I haven't upgraded in over 3 years, going all out with the fastest card overall right now is a good idea to me. Also 27W idle time compared to 90...that's nice...

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Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,822	It would make you a fool for throwing away money on a card thats likely to be usurped and replaced within the next 3-6 months. ATI know the current top end 5 cards aren't delivering and are planning a 59xx refresh. That said, your crazy to buy now when the nvidia 10 series will drive ATI prices into the basement where they belong. Throwing money at Old technology isn't upgrading. regardless if its got twice the amount of old technology. Its the early adopters that end up **ty, when the real new Dx games show up and eat their cards. ATI threw more shaders at the problem, when the real limitation on tesselation is the rops. __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!.** If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.