ATi vs Nvidia 2008 - Page 2

runawayprisoner · July 30th, 2008

GTX 260s are $230 AR on Newegg. But practically, HD 4870 still offers a hell of a lot more performance.

Mmm... and I can't wait to see how Windows Server 2008 performs after I've downloaded it.

(Note: you can get Windows Server 2008 for a free trial period from Microsoft. It's not a pirate-ware)

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makotech222 · July 30th, 2008

yeah close. i tihnk they perform about the same, dont they?

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runawayprisoner · July 30th, 2008

Nope. HD 4870 actually beats GTX 280 in some cases.

Legion Hardware

And it's very close to GTX 280 in some other cases. So it's a bit in between GTX 260 and GTX 280. GTX 260 overclocked should be able to beat HD 4870, though. But not so much in games. And the risks are... as you know them.

Practically, GTX 260 and HD 4870 should be on the same level, but HD 4870 has an edge on games like GRID and stuffs, and especially with 4x AA or 8x AA.

Heck... I know my HD 4850 didn't even blink with 8x MSAA in GRID. I never knew what AA was like before when I was still using the GeForce 9 series, but now... I know why people are dead-set on getting AA to work.

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makotech222 · July 30th, 2008

lol wow. i didnt even see ATI coming when i ordered the 9800gtx and planned on stepping up. i assumed they would stay at the low end-midrange style cards. heh my mistake i shouldve waited.

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runawayprisoner · July 30th, 2008

Yeah. They really turned the table this time around. Still, I'd prefer nVidia more because... nVidia has proper support in GSDX... for some really bizarre reason.

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makotech222 · July 30th, 2008

yeah that too. i also like EVGA's overclocking utility, works really great and shows gpu temps in game and such.

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Silenus · July 31st, 2008

About CUDA.
Are there apps optimized for that, is that a program language or what??
What is so good about it?
Are devs adopting it?

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runawayprisoner · July 31st, 2008

1) There's Photoshop CS4, which seems to be taking advantage of it.
2) It's not a programming language. It's a platform... kind of. I'll say IDE.
3) It uses the GPU as the processor instead of the CPU. Which means pure number crunching goodness.
4) Nope.

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Silenus · July 31st, 2008

So If not many devs are adopting it, then for the time being is not so important.

Ps. Thanks for the pm.

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runawayprisoner · July 31st, 2008

Yeap, it's not worth your concerns for the time being.

And you're welcome.

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Squall-Leonhart · July 31st, 2008

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Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

Yeah. They really turned the table this time around. Still, I'd prefer nVidia more because... nVidia has proper support in GSDX... for some really bizarre reason.

probably memory detection.

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mudlord · July 31st, 2008

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nVidia has proper support in GSDX... for some really bizarre reason.

Its the drivers.

ATI's driver devs......tsk tsk.

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- Proper OpenGL!

Again due to superior drivers. If ATI start bringing out decent OGL drivers, without me relying on hacks because of ATI's buggy OpenGL implementation, then I will be using ATI cards. Until then....

Quote:

nVidia has proper support in GSDX... for some really bizarre reason.

Its the drivers.

ATI's driver devs......tsk tsk.

Quote:

- Proper OpenGL!

Again due to superior drivers. If ATI start bringing out decent OGL drivers, without me relying on hacks because of ATI's buggy OpenGL implementation, then I will be using ATI cards. Until then....

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runawayprisoner · July 31st, 2008

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Originally Posted by mudlord

Its the drivers.

ATI's driver devs......tsk tsk.

Again due to superior drivers. If ATI start bringing out decent OGL drivers, without me relying on hacks because of ATI's buggy OpenGL implementation, then I will be using ATI cards. Until then....

Its the drivers.

ATI's driver devs......tsk tsk.

Again due to superior drivers. If ATI start bringing out decent OGL drivers, without me relying on hacks because of ATI's buggy OpenGL implementation, then I will be using ATI cards. Until then....

You don't have to say it twice!

Oh wait... the server is lagging. Never mind. I've been getting doubleposts a lot, too.

Anyway... yeaaahhhh... drivers, I'd go with that one completely. Now if they would pick up the slack... I have no doubt that the HD4800 series can really outmatch the GTX 200 in lots of things. I mean... bad drivers, and some games are running really well. How about some good drivers now?

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TBx · July 31st, 2008

ATi always busts out some drivers after a new card release that give it a big performance boost (supposedly the 8.8 drivers coming up give the 4000 series a nice bump). Unlike nvidia where either their drivers work or they don't. Never see much of an improvement with new driver updates, just **** breaking or **** staying the same.

BTW I'm considering getting a 4870 to replace my 8800GTS 320MB (which I will then pass down to my bro). Best deal I can find is a Powercolor one for $254 after MIR and comes with GRID ($60 value?). I'm debating on whether I should get that or wait for the 4870x2 to come out, perhaps drop the 4870 prices a wee bit, or wait for a 1GB 4870 to come out. Need to figure out before august 20th, as that's when I venture back to school.

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mudlord · July 31st, 2008

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ATi always busts out some drivers after a new card release that give it a big performance boost (supposedly the 8.8 drivers coming up give the 4000 series a nice bump). Unlike nvidia where either their drivers work or they don't. Never see much of an improvement with new driver updates, just **** breaking or **** staying the same.

However, what is really needed is compatibility updates. Such as ATI writing thier drivers to conform to the OpenGL specs. And stick to them well. But historically, support has been half-assed. I really wish ATI's OpenGL driver team lift thier game.

Squall-Leonhart · July 31st, 2008

I believe, without shadow of a doubt, Kingdom Nvidia..... wait...... wtf am i saying. lol.

Anyway, Nvidia is well known for limiting the performance of its cards with drivers, intentiionally crippling them. the specs of the GTX280, it should be capable of more then what it is.... i said the same thing about the 8800GTX and within 2 months it had gained 25% boost in performance.

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runawayprisoner · July 31st, 2008

Without light, shadow can't exist; without shadow, light loses its meaning. ;p

Anyway, if GTX 280 does get a performance boost, I hope it's not going to be selective...

And here's also hoping AMD would give a green light to CUDA on HD 4800, or... release their own IDE for GPGPU on HD 4800 (highly doubt it).

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Phil · July 31st, 2008

Rap your one to get philosophical

i hear faint waxing...

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gamefreak94 · July 31st, 2008

I've heard that the Nvidia's new GTX series has compatibility issues on Crysis, dunno if it is true or not though. Anyway, ATI offers more bang for the buck, when I brought my HD 2400 Pro, the Nvidia 8500GT was its exact counter-part. It costed $22 more and the only up-side was the GDDR3 in comparison with the GDDR2, there was also a slight hitch though, the 8500 had 25 MHz less core clock frequency, I wish the 2400XT would have been available to me at the time.

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runawayprisoner · August 1st, 2008

Just got the HD 4870. And... for the first time in my life, I don't feel like overclocking something.

Is there even a need to overclock this beast? (Note: default clocks are 780/1000)

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July 30th, 2008	#21 (permalink)
runawayprisoner Mobile Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 6,155	GTX 260s are $230 AR on Newegg. But practically, HD 4870 still offers a hell of a lot more performance. Mmm... and I can't wait to see how Windows Server 2008 performs after I've downloaded it. (Note: you can get Windows Server 2008 for a free trial period from Microsoft. It's not a pirate-ware) __________________ cChip interpreter WIP - current status: Release Candidate LRx Filter RC - current performance rating: 9/10

July 30th, 2008	#23 (permalink)
runawayprisoner Mobile Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 6,155	Nope. HD 4870 actually beats GTX 280 in some cases. Legion Hardware And it's very close to GTX 280 in some other cases. So it's a bit in between GTX 260 and GTX 280. GTX 260 overclocked should be able to beat HD 4870, though. But not so much in games. And the risks are... as you know them. Practically, GTX 260 and HD 4870 should be on the same level, but HD 4870 has an edge on games like GRID and stuffs, and especially with 4x AA or 8x AA. Heck... I know my HD 4850 didn't even blink with 8x MSAA in GRID. I never knew what AA was like before when I was still using the GeForce 9 series, but now... I know why people are dead-set on getting AA to work. __________________ cChip interpreter WIP - current status: Release Candidate LRx Filter RC - current performance rating: 9/10

July 30th, 2008	#25 (permalink)
runawayprisoner Mobile Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 6,155	Yeah. They really turned the table this time around. Still, I'd prefer nVidia more because... nVidia has proper support in GSDX... for some really bizarre reason. __________________ cChip interpreter WIP - current status: Release Candidate LRx Filter RC - current performance rating: 9/10

July 31st, 2008	#27 (permalink)
Silenus Pilgrim Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Hyperion Posts: 3,349	About CUDA. Are there apps optimized for that, is that a program language or what?? What is so good about it? Are devs adopting it? __________________ --ASUS G50VT-X1 - P8400 2.5GHZ - Geforce 9800GS 512MB - HDD 320GB - 4GB DDR2 800MHZ - WINDOWS 7 64 BIT - ZALMAN NC2000-- ...Mis sueños son mentiras que algun día dejarán de serlo...

July 31st, 2008	#28 (permalink)
runawayprisoner Mobile Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 6,155	1) There's Photoshop CS4, which seems to be taking advantage of it. 2) It's not a programming language. It's a platform... kind of. I'll say IDE. 3) It uses the GPU as the processor instead of the CPU. Which means pure number crunching goodness. 4) Nope. __________________ cChip interpreter WIP - current status: Release Candidate LRx Filter RC - current performance rating: 9/10

July 31st, 2008	#29 (permalink)
Silenus Pilgrim Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Hyperion Posts: 3,349	So If not many devs are adopting it, then for the time being is not so important. Ps. Thanks for the pm. __________________ --ASUS G50VT-X1 - P8400 2.5GHZ - Geforce 9800GS 512MB - HDD 320GB - 4GB DDR2 800MHZ - WINDOWS 7 64 BIT - ZALMAN NC2000-- ...Mis sueños son mentiras que algun día dejarán de serlo...

July 31st, 2008	#30 (permalink)
runawayprisoner Mobile Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 6,155	Yeap, it's not worth your concerns for the time being. And you're welcome. __________________ cChip interpreter WIP - current status: Release Candidate LRx Filter RC - current performance rating: 9/10

July 31st, 2008	#34 (permalink)
TBx Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 70	ATi always busts out some drivers after a new card release that give it a big performance boost (supposedly the 8.8 drivers coming up give the 4000 series a nice bump). Unlike nvidia where either their drivers work or they don't. Never see much of an improvement with new driver updates, just ** breaking or ** staying the same. BTW I'm considering getting a 4870 to replace my 8800GTS 320MB (which I will then pass down to my bro). Best deal I can find is a Powercolor one for $254 after MIR and comes with GRID ($60 value?). I'm debating on whether I should get that or wait for the 4870x2 to come out, perhaps drop the 4870 prices a wee bit, or wait for a 1GB 4870 to come out. Need to figure out before august 20th, as that's when I venture back to school. __________________ CPU: E7200 @ 3.8GHz (400x9.5) MOBO: Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L RAM: 4GB Corsair XMS2 5-5-3-15 @ 1000MHz GPU: eVGA 9800GTX+ 512MB SC: Creative X-Fi Xtreme Music HDD: 300GB WD Raptor + 1TB WD Black OS: Windows 7 RC x64

July 31st, 2008	#36 (permalink)
Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,439	I believe, without shadow of a doubt, Kingdom Nvidia..... wait...... wtf am i saying. lol. Anyway, Nvidia is well known for limiting the performance of its cards with drivers, intentiionally crippling them. the specs of the GTX280, it should be capable of more then what it is.... i said the same thing about the 8800GTX and within 2 months it had gained 25% boost in performance. __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

July 31st, 2008	#37 (permalink)
runawayprisoner Mobile Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 6,155	Without light, shadow can't exist; without shadow, light loses its meaning. ;p Anyway, if GTX 280 does get a performance boost, I hope it's not going to be selective... And here's also hoping AMD would give a green light to CUDA on HD 4800, or... release their own IDE for GPGPU on HD 4800 (highly doubt it). __________________ cChip interpreter WIP - current status: Release Candidate LRx Filter RC - current performance rating: 9/10

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Phil I love you baby Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Naples Florida Posts: 9,885	Rap your one to get philosophical i hear faint waxing... __________________

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gamefreak94 Die anime!! Die!! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: پاكستان <--- Urdu Posts: 6,202	I've heard that the Nvidia's new GTX series has compatibility issues on Crysis, dunno if it is true or not though. Anyway, ATI offers more bang for the buck, when I brought my HD 2400 Pro, the Nvidia 8500GT was its exact counter-part. It costed $22 more and the only up-side was the GDDR3 in comparison with the GDDR2, there was also a slight hitch though, the 8500 had 25 MHz less core clock frequency, I wish the 2400XT would have been available to me at the time. __________________ How to configure uTorrent for maximum upload and download speed?

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runawayprisoner Mobile Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 6,155	Just got the HD 4870. And... for the first time in my life, I don't feel like overclocking something. Is there even a need to overclock this beast? (Note: default clocks are 780/1000) __________________ cChip interpreter WIP - current status: Release Candidate LRx Filter RC - current performance rating: 9/10 Last edited by runawayprisoner; August 1st, 2008 at 03:45.