Intel vs Nvidia

[goodluck]

NVIDIA seems very unhappy with Intel, not only showed us upgrading CPU is useless and even hinted Intel’s upcoming graphic solution Larrabee will be a vaporware:

“Larabee is a PowerPoint slide,I haven’t met a product on my PowerPoint slide that I don’t like. You know, they’re floating Larrabee out there just to put a shadow over us, cast a cloud over us. They’ve already slipped it two years from the time they talked about. They would love to slip it another four years and leave a cloud over me.” (NVIDIA CEO Jen-Hsun Huang, CNET interview)

Intel: upgrade GPU have no benefit to users - Expreview.com

Nvidia CEO details his beef with Intel | Nanotech: The Circuits Blog - CNET News.com

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[Zedeck]

Intel's just being greedy and wants people to stop buying hardware that's in a market they don't dominate, so they downplay other hardware and/or merge that hardware into their own (CPU/GPU CPU combinations they have planned). Either that, or they can't stand being the social laughingstock of the GPU market when it comes to performance of their IGPs (though they do outsell nVidia and AMD/ATi when it comes to number of units moved). Why doesn't Intel get off it's butt and just make some powerful dedicated GPUs then instead of spreading propaganda? With the AMD/ATi troubles, it sure would be interesting, at the very least, with another competitor. Sure, for most people, a dedicated GPU would be near, if not, useless, but considering GPUs are mostly meant for gaming, and they left that out of the equation, they're being ridiculous.

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[PCXL-Fan]

Seeing as its happening everywhere in the software industry, I wonder if intel has the power and money to do a hostile takeover attempt on Nvidia? (disregrading anti monopoly laws potentially interfering of course).

That would be a scary day.

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[tuanming]

Intel's is rich and powerful in all aspects compared to Nvidia. Answer this question--who's the number one gpu selling worldwide?




Statistics from 1st quarter of 2008

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[PCXL-Fan]

Wow according to those stats Nvidia had a 5.5% drop in market share between 4thQtr 2007 to 1st qtr 2008 which basically means ~15% drop in sales.

I wonder what could have caused that? The downturn in the economy? Cuz this is the time Nvidia released its killer G92 cards, so you think with cards like that they'd be at least remaining about the same or even take some from ATI. Especially with ATI's less than stellar performance in the highend market.

Oh, wait thats right I forgot, the highend market only makes up a fraction of the market and cards they sell, and while card for card they make less profit on the lower end and integrated gpus they make up for it in far larger volume.

I was thinking it might be from ATI or intel taking away some of the lower end laptop market.

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[skoreanime]

Don't think too many people even went for the 9xxx series of GPUs Nvidias released. A lot of people with the 8xxx series seem to be waiting for Nvidias next line up, the GT200. And I'm not surprised Intels leading the GPU sector in terms of sales...every school/college/university I've been to, all the computer labs are running onboard Intel GPUs. Not to mention it's the same thing for notebooks as well.

[fivefeet8]

Originally Posted by tuanming

Intel's is rich and powerful in all aspects compared to Nvidia. Answer this question--who's the number one gpu selling worldwide?

There's no question that Intel dominates when it comes to GPU sales. But it's a different ballgame when you actually have to make a GPU that can do more than render Dx7. Intel has more than enough money and R&D to create something very interesting that can give Nvidia and AMDTi a run for their money though.

Both AMD and Nvidia has more than proven they can make incredibly powerful GPU's. Now it's Intels turn to prove it can do the same, but talk is cheap.

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lol the pcs at my university are running x1600s in xfire for some reason.

[runawayprisoner]

Originally Posted by fivefeet8

There's no question that Intel dominates when it comes to GPU sales. But it's a different ballgame when you actually have to make a GPU that can do more than render Dx7. Intel has more than enough money and R&D to create something very interesting that can give Nvidia and AMDTi a run for their money though.

Both AMD and Nvidia has more than proven they can make incredibly powerful GPU's. Now it's Intels turn to prove it can do the same, but talk is cheap.

Intel GMA X3500 beat GeForce 7300GT with the latest drivers (supporting DirectX 10) hands down.

The real problem here is that the lot of us just disregard Intel's integrated graphics solution, since they are not "high-end" enough. I remember some GMA 950 and X3000/X3100 benchmarks, and then... the benchmarks for Intel's GPUs stopped. Not one thing had been mentioned since then.

And while I appreciate the high-end feel of greater cards, I have no choice but to mark Intel's GMA X3500 as being a candidate for an official PCSX2 hardware certificate. And if you ask me, that means... ASUS P5E-VM HDMI motherboard with any Wolfdale or Yorkfield processor is a cheap, quick, dirty, but effective upgrade for anyone who wants:
- An HTPC.
- A light gaming machine for anything up to Half Life 2 at mid settings.
- PCSX2

Now there's something to look forward to. Of course it still doesn't feel as nice with the X3500 as it is with the HD 3200 in the 780G chipset in AMD's motherboards, but this is a great start. It's actually not that weak. Just a bit short of HD 3200, I guess. I am curious to know what exactly Intel did to the X3500 GPU to make it such a drastic improvement in terms of performance. It really beat a 7300GT.

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[fivefeet8]

Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

Intel GMA X3500 beat GeForce 7300GT with the latest drivers (supporting DirectX 10) hands down.

That doesn't really say much about performance. Hell, I'm not even talking about High End performance here. If they can get something out that's price competitive and performance competitive to Nvidia/AMDTi counterparts in the mid end, that would make things far more interesting. And that maybe where their aiming for, but I've yet to see them show anything towards that except marketing talk.

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[runawayprisoner]

Originally Posted by fivefeet8

That doesn't really say much about performance. Hell, I'm not even talking about High End performance here. If they can get something out that's price competitive and performance competitive to Nvidia/AMDTi counterparts in the mid end, that would make things far more interesting. And that maybe where their aiming for, but I've yet to see them show anything towards that except marketing talk.

Yeah, I meant in performance. I've never seen an IGP that can break 60fps with 3D in PCSX2, have you? That was with the latest April drivers that added full DirectX 10 support, but I suspect they unlocked a few more things as well. I didn't mean that it beat the 7300GT with DirectX 10 support. I meant that with the drivers that support DirectX 10, the Intel GMA X3500 beat the hell out of a 7300GT I had lying around, and run circles around the IGP in a GeForce 7150 board. Too bad I just sold the P5E-VM HDMI a few days ago, otherwise, I would show some screenshots. This was only noted recently, when I was trying to remove the GPU bottleneck while benchmarking the E7200.

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Giving something a pcsx2 certification (did you invent that concept ) is a little misleading just cuz it can 'run' 3d pcsx2 games. Getting at best 30fps with speed hacks enabled in the least intesive 3d game and getting that certification sounds just as much a marketing ploy as nvidia logos on unpatched Deus Ex 2.

Such a rating should only be given to at very least the 7600gt. There is a reason the 7600gt and 8600gt are listed repeatedly and consistantly by users as the minimum requirements for pcsx2.

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[Cheesus]

6600GT is roughly the same as a 7300GT, with the 6600 pulling ahead with a small margin. If the X3500 is a bit more powerful then the 7300, then I'm assuming its on 6600GT turf, which is quite capable at PCSX2. While it won't run everything at full, its a good minimum requirement.

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[runawayprisoner]

Originally Posted by PCXL-Fan

Giving something a pcsx2 certification (did you invent that concept ) is a little misleading just cuz it can 'run' 3d pcsx2 games. Getting at best 30fps with speed hacks enabled in the least intesive 3d game and getting that certification sounds just as much a marketing ploy as nvidia logos on unpatched Deus Ex 2.

I don't give anything a certificate if it performs under 60FPS at least in PCSX2. Seriously. X3500 broke 80fps without speed hacks, and it deserves a spot.

Such a rating should only be given to at very least the 7600gt. There is a reason the 7600gt and 8600gt are listed repeatedly and consistantly by users as the minimum requirements for pcsx2.

Now I say X3500 is the bare minimum.

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[skoreanime]

Well, Intels already told the world they intended to get back into the GPU market. And it looks like they're quite serious about it. They've got something similar to AMDs Fusion in the works obviously. I'm sure Nvidias always keeping an eye on Intel now

[Cheesus]

With all three now trying to cover both CPU and GPU departments, it could very well mean that in the near future, having the best CPU will come at the price of a lesser GPU, or vice versa...

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[skoreanime]

Oh wow, Nvidia bites back. And not only that, they've got a powerhouse joining them, VIA

Woo, things are really starting to heat up Which is good for us consumers of course .

[runawayprisoner]

Please let it be a ULV graphics chip with PS 4.0 and VS 4.0 support... please let it be a ULV graphics chip with...

I'll pay $3000 for it if it can run Vista with full aero... for over 6 hours continuously on battery.

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[cottonvibes]

if VIA is joining Nvidia, than its most-likely a GPU + CPU all-in-one solution.

probably with RAM included as well, as GPU's contain their own ram, and the CPU would probably be able to use it now that they're combined.

I can imagine it has the potential to be really fast, if the CPU and GPU are all on the same BUS.

i can't wait to see how this turns out.


the bad thing about something like this however is the poor-upgradability.
if everything is all on the chip, you can't upgrade specific parts...

this leads me to believe it might be something for laptops, handhelds, and mobile phones....

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