when will the good yorkfields come out?

[tuanming]

Also, another thing to consider that running at 3.8Ghz on the 7200 will only produce 1600 rated fsb that pretty low due to the high multiplier. The last time i check, fsb does matters and compare to mine running above 3.7~ produced over 2100 fsb For about $15 dollars more you can get the e6300. Imagine if the e6300 has the same multiplier like the 7200

It look to me like it take more than 1.5 volt on the vcore to get to speed and it's unknown whether it is stable or not... Another thing to think about.

[skoreanime]

Really? Last I heard, the difference in FSB was almost negligible. It barely makes a difference in games and none in apps like AutoCAD apparently. Why?

With todays FSB speeds much higher and being double and quad pumped already, the increased bandwidth does not seem to net you near the gains it did a few years back when stock bus speeds were 66, 100, or 200mhz.

[runawayprisoner]

Originally Posted by tuanming

Also, another thing to consider that running at 3.8Ghz on the 7200 will only produce 1600 rated fsb that pretty low due to the high multiplier. The last time i check, fsb does matters and compare to mine running above 3.7~ produced over 2100 fsb For about $15 dollars more you can get the e6300. Imagine if the e6300 has the same multiplier like the 7200

It look to me like it take more than 1.5 volt on the vcore to get to speed and it's unknown whether it is stable or not... Another thing to think about.

FSB doesn't matter anymore. Otherwise, my Q9450 would have been blazing fast compared to this E7200 at the same clock speed. Unfortunately, it wasn't. And Skoreanime just explained why.

And this thing requires around 1.3v to 1.36v for 3.8GHz, or up to 1.4v for 4GHz. (it's actually just about the same as E8400 or E8500) Also something to think about.

[cottonvibes]

yeah skore you're right.

all this crap about using lower multipliers and higher FSB is pretty dumb IMO.


only reason to do that is to have your memory run faster, but then you have to have highly overclockable memory.

and having your memory run past 800mhz barely gets you any performance increase.
you definitely won't notice it while gaming.


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but on the subject of quad-core vs dual-core.

if you're buying a dual-core now, then you're buying last years technology.

quad-cores have already been out for over a year.


its like saying you're thinking of buying a 7900GT graphics card when the 8800's have been out for about a year already.

and quad-cores can overclock just as good as dual-cores with the proper cooling, so thats not a valid arguement.
the architecture for the quad-cores are just 2 dual-cores wrapped into one.

so its really the better deal IMO.

[TBx]

In response to tuanming, you must consider that that extra $15 also entails extra $$$ for better cooling, ram, and a mobo that can handle 540fsb, whereas with a 7200 it's rather easy to get better performance for a good amount of dollars less. Also, the 7200 has 1mb more cache than the 6300, something that would probably make up for the FSB.

As for the quad vs dual war, I'd say if you're on a budget an E7200 will keep you going for a while. If a CPU is the only thing you're looking to upgrade then a quad is probably what you want. I'd say a Q9400 or Q9550 after Q3.

[tuanming]

@TBx

I agreed with the 7200 is good for the price since it overclock very well. However, I'd like to see the max fsb on this cpu with a lower multiplier and how stable it is at 3.8Ghz.

[TBx]

There's only one way to solve this, you and RAP must do a (cpu) benchmark battle!

[tuanming]

Haha. I don't mind, as long it's a fair game. =)

[cottonvibes]

Originally Posted by tuanming

Haha. I don't mind, as long it's a fair game. =)

meh,

"fair game" on the internet is hard to prove.


if you look in the PCSX2 thread, everytime a new SVN beta of PCSX2 is released people always report these crazy speed boosts that just arn't true.

[tuanming]

Originally Posted by cottenvibes

meh,

"fair game" on the internet is hard to prove.


if you look in the PCSX2 thread, everytime a new SVN beta of PCSX2 is released people always report these crazy speed boosts that just arn't true.

well, we could just only use the original 0.9.4 pcsx2 and set every settings in the bios similar. My only main concern is our gpu differences, that could be an issue for me.

[runawayprisoner]

And if you prefer to go cool:



Comparative X3350 clocks:





Note: That X3350 was a golden one.

Then afterwards, all I did was bench with Q9450.



But please note: both the Q9450 and X3350 I got behaved the same way, bar a few things like the X3350 did not get to 500 stable enough to do anything, due to the fact that the first ASUS P5E-VM HDMI I got had its NB undervolted by a bit.

And this is from someone else:

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...hotos/9750.jpg

Max FSB is currently at 555, and counting... since it's mostly the limits of the boards that were tried. 550+ is pretty good in my opinions. Of course you don't need such FSB for anything but suicide runs... and it's just putting a lot of strain on the motherboard for no good reason at all. If you want to run RAM at higher clocks, just simply increase the FSB/RAM ratio. Increasing FSB only helps slightly with RAM writes, but in fact won't provide that much of a performance boost.

And if you want to compare scores, 3DMark 06 CPU scores will do.

[cottonvibes]

Originally Posted by tuanming

well, we could just only use the original 0.9.4 pcsx2 and set every settings in the bios similar. My only main concern is our gpu differences, that could be an issue for me.

i wasn't talking about using PCSX2 as a benchmark, i was just using that as an example to say that people fake results.

[TBx]

superpi! superpi! superpi! (it's quick and easy)

[tuanming]

@runawayprisoner

Do you still have those CPUs or only SS? Anyway, my psu suck.

Here's why: 3.04V, 4.90, and 11.77v =/ and im only using the 4 pins power input not 8 pins which my mobo support... You could say im handicapped i could have achieved higher clock rate

Since RAP post some SS, in return i'll post my video on ffxii =) if you haven't seen it already

High-Quality version click here! YouTube - Final Fantasy XII on Intel Core 2 at 3.73Ghz

[TBx]

What's with the chipset heatsink hanging over the side? Also, what voltage was your ram at?

[tuanming]

Oh that, don't worry too much about that. I use that to try and cool the mosfets cuz i replace the northbridge with a better cooler. For memory only 2.20v or 2.25v.

[SCHUMI-4-EVA]

He has sold all those CPU's...I don't think he even has a desktop at the moment...at least nothing that special...even the E7200 is gone as far as I know.

[runawayprisoner]

Originally Posted by SCHUMI-4-EVA

He has sold all those CPU's...I don't think he even has a desktop at the moment...at least nothing that special...even the E7200 is gone as far as I know.

E7200 still here. All other are gone.

[TBx]

Well that was a lame battle, didn't solve anything

[MrPink]

wow, i didn't think my measly post would spark a cpu overclock battle

but thanks for all the advice everyone, i guess i will end up with an x3350 or q9450 after all. i'll also have to check out that ASUS board

I'm glad the q6600 isn't as fast as i originally thought. i mean it seems like a good cpu, but it just saddened me to think it could compete with a 45nm quad ....i'm glad i was mistaken.

also, i play A LOT of Supreme Commander (with core maximizer to more effectively utilize dual/quad core ) and CoH. While CoH runs okish on my current system...long map load times...my computer really struggles in epic supcom matches. That is my primary incentive for getting a quad. while i don't do video editing/rendering/actual work stuff, i think now is the best time for getting on the quad core band wagon. I jumped onto dual core 2 years ago with my now aged X2 4400+, and many applications still don't utilize a dual core effectively. At least with the quad, the high GHz will keep me in the game if applications end up taking as long to adapt to quad as they did dual core...but at least i'll be able to play 8 player 81km matches in supcom regardless

edit: the ASUS P5E-VM HDMI doesn't have a PCI-X 2.0, and does not use DDR3
I'm probably going to be looking towards an X48 or P45 just for the sake of future proofing, even if it is more expensive.