9 Series dumped. 9900GTX is no more!

[John Aiton]

Originally Posted by Lord Budweiser

It is not compared to ATI's best. Also, being confidential means nothing. It could very well be the prototype of Biased graphs that "accidentaly" leaked.

oh, well go buy a better card than the 3870x2 from ati

the 4 series aren't out yet and no way in hell are ati going to give nvidia some 4870x2 samples

[Lord Budweiser]

Well, it is true.

BTW, why is ATI's card performance so linear? It sounds noobish. Also, I wonder what they are measuring in teh abscissas axis.

[John Aiton]

it's a measure of scale

all 3870 performance numbers = 1 and the bars are how much better scalularly the gt wins

[Thanakil]

Originally Posted by Lord Budweiser

Well, it is true.

BTW, why is ATI's card performance so linear? It sounds noobish. Also, I wonder what they are measuring in teh abscissas axis.

It's linear because they seem to be using it as a baseline. Basically Ati = 1x performance.
Then they compare the GT cards to see how many times stronger they are. So 1.4 = 140% of the Ati card (or 40% increase in power).

They're not really pushing the 3870x2 to its limit tho since they pretty much said that they were using older drivers, dunno how old it is, but from what was said, they didn't try very hard to make the 3870x2 do great. Which isn't too hard to believe when we see how they're biased in how the chart was built.


But anyway, the only thing we can really get out from the chart is "the two cards are doing better than the 3870x2" which... Was pretty easy to guess anyway .
The chard could be used to see the performance between the two GT cards tho, to compare the two of them instead.

[cottonvibes]

Originally Posted by John Aiton

ummmm, Cotton?

you do realise this is from nvidia confidential?
it's more than reputable, ie. not fake

also, there's no other nvidia card since this is an nvidia slide.
showing other models of nvidias cards is a pointless move that detracts attention from
the main purpose - to show off the new card compared to competitors best

(it's biased of course)

well i see vr-zone watermark, not nVidia.com watermark

and if it is from nVidia, it is biased like you said.


i don't trust anything until i see some legit reviews.

[John Aiton]

Originally Posted by cottonvibes

well i see vr-zone watermark, not nVidia.com watermark

and if it is from nVidia, it is biased like you said.

only leaked by vr-zone,
nvidia doesn't want their stuff leaked so they wouldn't put much of a stamp on it besides the logo

it looks to be from some nvidia presentation,
most likely the editors day which was like 3 days ago
(editors day is a huge nvidia pr event)

it makes perfect sense actually since the leaked presentations used the same design as this for all the slides
youtube up the cuda presentation on dinos22 's youtube account

[Squall-Leonhart]

Originally Posted by PCXL-Fan

Ahhh ahahaha.
What a bunch of BS. Never have Nvidia or ATI ever revealed a preview capability graph accurately displaying what their cards are capable of.

Its like asking a mother to accurately rate the awesomeness and intelligence of their child. As long as the child is physically and mentally normal 90% of mothers will exaggerate.

hate to tell you this, but they release these charts to these sites all the time, i've seen a few of them way before the official card release on several occasions.

[Thanakil]

Originally Posted by Squall-Leonhart

hate to tell you this, but they release these charts to these sites all the time, i've seen a few of them way before the official card release on several occasions.

I don't think what PCXL was trying to say was : "They never release those charts". I think the focus in his post was "They never charts that are ACCURATE."

His post seems to focus on "They may release charts, but they never make them accurate, they always end up making their products look better than others.". Hence why his comparison with mothers always thinking that THEIR baby is better than someone else baby.

[Tilla]

Notice the chart doesn't say what the axis means numerically. I can run Crysis full speed on my (not x2) Radeon 3870 so I find anything on this chart highly dubious

[PCXL-Fan]

Originally Posted by Thanakil

I don't think what PCXL was trying to say was : "They never release those charts". I think the focus in his post was "They never charts that are ACCURATE."

His post seems to focus on "They may release charts, but they never make them accurate, they always end up making their products look better than others.". Hence why his comparison with mothers always thinking that THEIR baby is better than someone else baby.

Exactly. If their is a single company willing to exaggerate a products capability it would be the the company that made the product. Even more so then review sites that are sometimes payed money under the table to skew their review results.

Originally Posted by Tilla

Notice the chart doesn't say what the axis means numerically. I can run Crysis full speed on my (not x2) Radeon 3870 so I find anything on this chart highly dubious

8600gt can run crysis at full speed, just lower the graphics settings and resolution. My 8800GTX definitely trumps your 3870 especially on crysis and on the highest setting at 1680 x 1050 i only get about 25fps. So saying it your card can run the game at full speed doesn't mean much.

These graphs are probably done on the one graphic, aa/af and resolution setting that show the greatest difference between the 3 cards (3870x2 and g260/280).

[fivefeet8]

Those are more than likely marketing slides by Nvidia presented to their partners. They are made everytime a new product gets released. Of course they're biased, but what company wants to be un-biased when marketing new products to their partners.

For the rest of us, best to wait for hardware reviews. Numbers alone don't tell the whole story. This has been proven time and time again. I believe most of the information about Nvidia's GT2xx cards are fairly accurate now. There may be a few lemons thrown into the rumor pot for good measure and to confuse people, but if you read between the lines, you can see where the hardware is headed performance wise. Of course I'm more interested in what's changed since the G8x architecture that may be suprising and have yet to be revealed.

[John Aiton]

Originally Posted by fivefeet8

Those are more than likely marketing slides by Nvidia presented to their partners. They are made everytime a new product gets released. Of course they're biased, but what company wants to be un-biased when marketing new products to their partners.

For the rest of us, best to wait for hardware reviews. Numbers alone don't tell the whole story. This has been proven time and time again. I believe most of the information about Nvidia's GT2xx cards are fairly accurate now. There may be a few lemons thrown into the rumor pot for good measure and to confuse people, but if you read between the lines, you can see where the hardware is headed performance wise. Of course I'm more interested in what's changed since the G8x architecture that may be suprising and have yet to be revealed.

we'll find out around june 4th

the cards ship out to reviewers and retailers on the 3rd of June,
and the nda is lifted on the 18th iirc

but you'll get leaks from the cinese sites as usual on the 4th

soo close!

[Cid Highwind]

Originally Posted by cottonvibes

how valid is that source?

and would have been much better to compare the card against other nVidia cards...

Now that's pretty obvious, it's got an nVidia logo in the top right corner. Take it with a bucket of salt, this is just pre-release marketing/hype.

Besides these slides may be about Crysis, with old drivers (pre 8.5) and anti aliasing turned on. All are achilles heals of the 38xx series, I call these slides bull until some real benchmarks pop up.

Anyway, I'm with Cotton and FF8, there's no doubt the 280 will be the best performing card at this round. The only thing we still have to wonder about is at what cost, though it will be expensive, and it will use a lot of power. Some sites even call it nVidia's R600. I don't think it's that bad, since this one does perform well. However most rumours have it that this card will be extremely expensive to make due to the relatively expensive cooling needed, low yields and 512bit bus.

Here's another leaked pic btw, seen it a few days ago but you guys haven't picked it up yet

[fivefeet8]

Since I haven't seen it get posted yet. Idle, video processing, load power readings according to Nvidia marketing.

[Linktothepast]

Originally Posted by fivefeet8

Since I haven't seen it get posted yet. Idle, video processing, load power readings according to Nvidia marketing.

Those number indicate about twice the power load of the 9800gtx in 3d gaming (where it matters most) but with less power during idle states. As the situation goes i predict a 1 Kw psu in need for a gaming Pc in a short while.

[fivefeet8]

Originally Posted by Linktothepast

Those number indicate about twice the power load of the 9800gtx in 3d gaming (where it matters most) but with less power during idle states. As the situation goes i predict a 1 Kw psu in need for a gaming Pc in a short while.

The power levels on that slide by the GTX280 is still lower than 2x9800gtx in SLI at load. If it offers over 2x the performance of a single 9800gtx, then it's actually got a better power to performance ratio.

Pics of the new gtx280 and a GPU-Z screen grab.

VR-Zone : Technology Beats - Detailed Geforce GTX 280 Pictures
VR-Zone : Technology Beats - GeForce GTX 280 GPU-Z Screenshot

Specs from GPU-Z:
240 Shaders@1300 mhz
600 mhz Core
32 ROPs
512 Bit GDDR3@1100 mhz

Pretty much what's been leaked so far.