The end of 775 socket (LGA775)

[tuanming]

It's likely or should I say "obviously"? The Intel's P45 Chipset series will most likely be the last LGA775 motherboard that would supports Pentium 4, Pentium D, and Core 2 Duo/Quad. This is not a bad thing, as a matter of fact this just basically means Intel will start focusing more on Nehalem motherboard. Since this will be the last chipset for 775 socket motherboard manufacturers' will put more efforts on enhancing the designs, BIOS, components, and the longevity of the motherboard.

Speaking of longevity if anyone been paying attention to the soon-to-be-released Asus P5Q3 Deluxe which will dedicate 16 PWM to the cpu, 3 for the memory, and 3 for the north bridge! Octo core anyone? :drools:

[MrPink]

that thing looks beastly

i so can't wait till i upgrade to LGA 775....no way am i waiting for nehelem

i tremble at the performance gain i will get over my socket 939 4400+ and DDR ram.....yes, i said DDR ram

[Phil]

i want to see some SOLID benches before i plunk down any money for nehalem.
for the first two years, its going to be a waste

[cottonvibes]

Originally Posted by Phil

i want to see some SOLID benches before i plunk down any money for nehalem.
for the first two years, its going to be a waste

what are you talking about man.

if it OCs good, you might be able to have a 5ghz 8-cored system!

just wait like 1-2 months b4 you buy it, so we get some benchmarks out... and also to make sure theres nothing like the Phenom Erratum that totally screwed that chip...

[Phil]

But will it OC good? and have you ever heard of heat? um sorry but nehalem is only around 4 years old. its not optimized like the Core searies yet.

[cottonvibes]

Originally Posted by Phil

But will it OC good?

some people say yes, some say no...

we'll just have to wait and see.


considering that the Core2 series OC like beasts, i would think the Nehalem series does as well, and possibly better.

the main problem is that the more Cores a chip has, the higher the chance that a Core won't OC as well, and thus you're limited by just 1 core not OCing good.


and hopefully heat won't be a problem, as engineers are finding new ways to make chips faster and cooler.

but if heat is an issue, that will suck for OCing...

[Phil]

8 execution cores=MASSIVE HEAT. it helps a little that nehalem is physically bigger....but not enough.

[Spyhop]

2 cores is rarely useful
4 is all but useless.
8.....lol. People are retarded.

[Phil]

Originally Posted by Spyhop

2 cores is rarely useful
4 is all but useless.
8.....lol. People are retarded.

Exactly. well said spyhop

[Thanakil]

Originally Posted by Spyhop

2 cores is rarely useful
4 is all but useless.
8.....lol. People are retarded.

2-cores is pretty useful in games and for various things. "rarely useful" is false.
4 is kinda overkill, except for a few situation/apps/jobs, but mostly useless otherwise. We still haven't seen many uses for 4-cores, doesn't warrant much of a upgrade yet, I think I'd stay 2-cores even if I decided to upgrade.
8 is definitely overkill and becoming more of a waste than anything.

[Phil]

And 16 and 32........

[cottonvibes]

Originally Posted by Spyhop

2 cores is rarely useful
4 is all but useless.
8.....lol. People are retarded.

2 cores is a necessity for PCSX2, hardcore gamers, developers and etc...
and lots of times windows "freezes" with 1 cored PCs because 1 app is taking all the CPU power. If you have 2-cores, you can kill the app using your second core to open up task-manager.
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4 cores is nice for video editors, hardcore gamers, and developers.

imagine debugging PCSX2.
you have 2 cores going into running PCSX2, which leaves nothing else for your debuging software.
having 4 cores gives you the power you need.
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8 cores is good for servers, developers, and for people that have the money and want the best PC they can get =)

if 4 cores are useful, people will find a way to make 8 cores be useful.

over 8 is where i draw the limit.
unless we're talking about muli-cored GPUs, where lots of graphical algorithms can be done in parallel.

then you can have a ton of cores, and they'll all help out

[Phil]

in that case its better to have true paralell processing......not two or 4 dies on one chip

[tuanming]

The lack of muti-threaded application can only be blamed on lousy developers. There's a game that called Alan's Wake for PC and it will be the first pc game that utilized all 4 cores.

quad core and octo core useless? Or do you mean useless developer? 8 cores too hot you say? Why do you think cpu cooler exist and why every 2 years there's a die shrink? Aka nanometer. If anyone know the Intel's Tick-Tock tatics, then you should know that Yorkfield and Wolfdale are only just a Tick. The Tock will be Nehalme! Some said, it will be more amazing then the transition from Pentium 4 to COre 2!

[Phil]

Do you know how hard it is to code 8, 16 or heck 32 cors into a program?? very freaking hard. the only apps that would ue the power is 3d rendering/ modeling or encoding. and if a program runs fine running on 1 core, why should developers waste thoer time coding in more??

[Thanakil]

But with 8 cores you got so much troubles optimizing for the 8 cores that you actually reduce the CPU-power by simply trying to make them all work together in harmony...

2: More impressive than P4 to C2D?
Only if the 8-cores were really utilized. If a lot of devs don't make much uses of 4-cores, good luck with 8.
If the 8-cores aren't utilized well, saying that it could be more impressive is just blowing stuff out of proportion.
Which sounds a lot like what "enthusiasts" would do.

[tuanming]

That like saying car and tv manufacturer's shouldn't produce any new model that would enhance and invent new technology. And should sell the same old stuff every year...

LOL Nehalem isn't just only about cores...do your research pal.

[Thanakil]

Originally Posted by tuanming

That like saying car and tv manufacturer's shouldn't produce any new model that would enhance and invent new technology. And should sell the same old stuff every year...

LOL Nehalem isn't just only about cores...do your research pal.

Your comparison is so bad... I'm not even sure if it's worth trying to show you the errors in it.
Obviously Nehalem isn't all about the cores, but the thing that we're talking about right now IS THE CORES.

I didn't say "oohhh Nehalem is bad", we were talking about the Pro and Cons of the CORES. So OBVIOUSLY I'm gonna talk about the cores and not the other stuff.
It's not a matter of research, it's a matter of reading and understand what the current subject of the discussion is. If you want to talk about the other good stuff about Nehalem it's fine, that can be interesting. But don't insinuate I'm ignoring all the stuff about Nehalem while right now we're obviously focusing on the Pro/Con of cores and not discussing the other aspects, talking about if yes or no it's really worth it to go to 8 (and more) cores when they're usually left unoptimized.

[cottonvibes]

ok guys (and girls), lets stop argueing over Nehalem and wait until we actually see some benchmarks!

anymore we say here is all speculation anyways until we actually see the finished product being sold

[tuanming]

Originally Posted by Thanakil

Your comparison is so bad... I'm not even sure if it's worth trying to show you the errors in it.
Obviously Nehalem isn't all about the cores, but the thing that we're talking about right now IS THE CORES.

I didn't say "oohhh Nehalem is bad", we were talking about the Pro and Cons of the CORES. So OBVIOUSLY I'm gonna talk about the cores and not the other stuff.
It's not a matter of research, it's a matter of reading and understand what the current subject of the discussion is. If you want to talk about the other good stuff about Nehalem it's fine, that can be interesting. But don't insinuate I'm ignoring all the stuff about Nehalem while right now we're obviously focusing on the Pro/Con of cores and not discussing the other aspects, talking about if yes or no it's really worth it to go to 8 (and more) cores when they're usually left unoptimized.

If you're only seeing Nehalme only as cores then you are missing the big picture. Pro and con, okay.

Pro: More is better (parallelism)
Con: Current developer sucks.

Oh btw, it not me that doesn't get it. Well, I guess some people prefer less is better... Oh, as for me and the rest of the world, we'll going enjoy your multi-cores cpu in the future with multi-thread apps optimized!