OpenGL stuff = No working.

[Thanakil]

Alright, so after passing it on "that stuff is buggy" for too long, I did some tests now and I can see...
My 9600GT can't run OpenGL stuff =/.

I tried completely cleaning the drivers and reinstall them, didn't help.
I tried using the same drivers for the 7950GT (who could do opengl stuff fine) with the 9600GT (driver used, the 174.74 Beta, not stable who doesn't work on 7950GT) : The 7950GT would do OpenGL with those drivers, the 9600GT wouldn't. (the 9600GT would do DX fine with the same drivers, so they are entirely compatible AFAIK since ANY DX games is working with them and I didn't get any "please update your drivers" message either).


So I'm wondering... Anyone got any idea of WHAT could possibly help? =/
Is my card simply crummy and need to be replaced?

[jonc2006]

you might want to forward this to nvidias tech support or something.

[Squall-Leonhart]

set Opengl extension limit to disabled in the NVCP.

[Thanakil]

Originally Posted by Squall-Leonhart

set Opengl extension limit to disabled in the NVCP.

It's off by default.
I tried setting it to On but it didn't do anything different.
(except that starting DX applications while forgetting that I changed that = Crashing DX games (or BSOD)).

Originally Posted by jonc2006

you might want to forward this to nvidias tech support or something.

I guess I'll have to try that =/. But I'm wondering if Nvidia Tech Support will be that helpful...
Edit : The website just redirect me to the manufacturer of the card and say to ask help there x_X.

[fivefeet8]

What OpenGL applications are you testing with? You could try checking your OpenGl extensions with the OpenGL extensions viewer.

http://www.realtech-vr.com/glview/

If you're running Vista, you can submit a bug report using this form:
https://surveys.nvidia.com/index.jsp...f09e040b4a437a

[runawayprisoner]

Last resort is to install the latest WHQL driver set from nVidia before fretting to the world that one of their beta driver sets didn't support OpenGL for the 9600GT.

[Thanakil]

Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

Last resort is to install the latest WHQL driver set from nVidia before fretting to the world that one of their beta driver sets didn't support OpenGL for the 9600GT.

I already did that, I tried the stable drivers first. I tried the beta to compare between the 7950GT and the 9600 (since the beta is the only one compatible on both cards).
I wanted a driver who worked on both cards to compare if it came from the drivers or from the card. That's where the beta version of 174.74 came in, as the only driver to work on both cards. ("not stable who doesn't work on 7950GT") It was just a way to compare if it came from the drivers being borked up, from the settings used being faulty or something. I wanted a driver that I could use on both card without altering it. The beta driver was only a test on that aspect.
It was the third driver that I tested, as I tried the stable .74 first and .16 second.
But stable drivers don't work any better for me, I get the same results.

Basically what I did :
Was using 174.74 (stable) when I realized some games wouldn't start.
Uninstall it, reboot in safe mode.
Driver Cleaner -> Everything Nvidia.
Reboot. Reinstall the driver.
Reboot. Still get errors.
Redo everything and this time install 174.16.
Still get errors.
Switch cards, clean stuff again. Install 163.75 drivers.
Test OpenGL games. Works.
Update to 174.74Beta (stable won't install on 7950GT).
Test games, work. Switch card to 9600GT, don't alter drivers in any way. Test OpenGL games, doesn't work. Test DX games to see if the drivers just doesn't support the card, but they all work.
I can go back to testing the WHQL 174.74 instead of Beta WHQL but that's what I tried in the first place, so the results are gonna be the same. I'll try .53, just in case.

Originally Posted by fivefeet8

What OpenGL applications are you testing with? You could try checking your OpenGl extensions with the OpenGL extensions viewer.

http://www.realtech-vr.com/glview/

I tried various games, the best I had was a buggy menu in Frets on Fire.
Trying the rendering tests with that Viewer works with 1.1 and 1.2, everything else simply gives me a error message.
(the 1.2 test says "Test : OpenGL 1.1" when running tho)
It tells me :
1.1 = 100% supported.
1.2 = 12% supported. (1/8)
Everything else is at 0%.

Edit : Using 174.53, same stuff. Same errors and the results from the viewer are the same. Every drivers used gave me the same results.

[StriderVM]

I suggest you use the drivers included in your video card, then update whatever the latest WHQL version available, don't use driver cleaner to clean the old driver, just update it.

[runawayprisoner]

In the above case, I'd guess that something is interfering with the nVidia drivers and preventing them from ever going into OpenGL mode. Sincerely, OpenGL worked fine for my 9600GT with those drivers, so I don't think it's a driver issue.

[Thanakil]

Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

Sincerely, OpenGL worked fine for my 9600GT with those drivers, so I don't think it's a driver issue.

I heard a lot of people saying the 9600GT was working fine with OpenGL, that's why after all those tests with different drivers and testing with my old card (to see if it was something else than the 9600 specifically) I'm thinking I just got a defective card.

I'll try uninstalling the 174.53 and installing the 174.16 (drivers that came with the card) and then going up to the 174.74, but again I'm doubting it'll do anything... =/ But it's not like I had any other idea tho.

[MiretanK]

That happened with me once, but it was with an AGP card. I had to install some mobo drivers and AGP drivers... I might be talking **** but did you update your mobo drivers and chipset?

[Thanakil]

Well, the last time my motherboard bios was updated was back in october, I can update it with newer bios, but the only newer bios changes are :
"1. Fix CPU ratio will not be reset to
default value after loading BIOS default.
2. Enable N/2 Ratio option."

Other than that, what you mean by chipset? =/

[MiretanK]

Your mobo's chipset... like Intel G33/G31/P35... your mobo's manufacturer's website should have a session for chipset drivers. =)

Tell us your mobo and we can help on finding the chipset driver. =)

[runawayprisoner]

Well, if your card was defective, it wouldn't work at all. Sincerely.
Maybe you should try reinstalling Vista altogether.

[Thanakil]

Mobo Model is P5B
Chipset is (or it seems) Intel G965? Asus website (who made the mobo) list the P5B mobo as being P965... While Intel chipset detector say G965 x_x. I think they use the same installer anyway.


Detected Chipset:
Intel(R) G965 Express Chipset
Memory Controller:
82G965
I/O Controller:
Intel(R) 82801HB/HR I/O controller hub (ICH8/ICH8R) SATA Controller found in IDE mode


Nyway, I found that page :
Chipsets - Intel® 965 Express Chipset family information and downloads
I just download the Intel® Chipset Software Installation Utility and install it? =/
(never updated the chipset before... So not too sure what to do exactly)

Edit : Wait, I installed it and... It's that simple? =/ "Next, Next, Next, finish install in 0.1 seconds, finished"? =/ Anti-climatic.

Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

Well, if your card was defective, it wouldn't work at all. Sincerely.
Maybe you should try reinstalling Vista altogether.

I'm using XP, I'm thinking everyone I know who's using a 9600GT is using Vista, I hope it's not a matter of OS -_-.
(I highly doubt it, it's too much of a stretch)

I may try it on my dual-boot of XP64 if nothing works, see if it react in another way.
(I'd try Vista but I don't have any copy of it...)
Worst case scenario I reformat everything, I guess reformating can't bring any harm... Or I hope so.

[runawayprisoner]

Weird? PCSX2 and ePSXe run with OpenGL with my 9600GT just fine. I don't have one to check that right now, though.

Anyway, try re-installing XP then.

[fivefeet8]

I'd also suggest re-installing WinXP. I ran all the tests in the OpenGL extensions viewer fine. The info page also says 100% on every OpenGL version. I'm using Vista with the beta 174.74 drivers though.

[Thanakil]

I'm on the dual-boot XP64.
The card actually ran everything fine (it did a strange high-pitched/screeching/squeaking noise for half of them, but it ran them fine and at fast speed, unlike the XP partition that I usually used who ran them at 24fps). The OpenGL Extension Viewer programs show more info about the driver used than on XP32 too, so I guess my version of XP32 really became borked up over the last 6 months of using it and now it's just getting wonky with the drivers/how it works.
One obvious difference between the two partitions tho, my normal one is using the latest DX version, this one is August 2004. Edit : Installed latest, still working perfectly fine.

I was recommended to reinstall DX see if it helped (deleting the registry key and rebooting, or something like that) but I guess reformatting would be hella simpler.

(I'd use XP64 instead if I could, after all it fixed various problems I had with my PC (like half of my HDD not showing no matter how many time I formatted my PC) but I can't find, for the love of god, the drivers for my audio... I don't get any freakin audio )

I'll just backup my important stuff and reformat I guess -_-.
Thanks for the help. Would have been nice to fix it without a reformat (I'm afraid the problem comes from a lack of drivers or something for some piece of hardware that I'm not aware needs a update, and that it will still be the case after a format) but it's my best bet now.