x800 gto vs HD3450

ryu_joko · April 10th, 2008

i want to have a new videocard for <$50 for my pc, what i have now is x800 GTO and i want to subtitude it with HD 3450. is it equal in perfomance ? or which one better ? i just want to play HD movies and sometimes play Command and conquer.

PCXL-Fan · April 10th, 2008

A general guessimation tells me performance is going to be slightly-moderately worse than the x800 GTO. Though the card is 3 generations newer it is the weakest of the 3000 lineup. Its pretty much crap. You get what you pay for in terms of sub $50 cards.

Advantages of the 3450:
- Does some of the work usually done by the cpu when running video. (good if you have a slow cpu)
-Is HDCP compliant (Good for watching LEGAL HD movies) though you also need a HDCP compliant monitor and a Blu-ray drive.

Disadvantages:
-Weaker than the x800 GTO

ryu_joko · April 10th, 2008

is there anyone can show me the benchmark for these 2 cards ?

thanks

PCXL-Fan · April 10th, 2008

google them yourself.

also go to 3dmark06 official site to see what submitted results are for computers with similar systems yet those 2 cards.

Don't get the card. It sucks. Its utter crap.

runawayprisoner · April 10th, 2008

Don't be so harsh? At least it's better than 8400GS.

PCXL-Fan · April 10th, 2008

are you so sure? I don't think so actually.

8400GS might be on par with it. Just cuz it went for a die shrink going to 55nm transistors..and got an extra 128-384mb more ram than the 8400GS... the fact of the matter is it still isn't worth him to get it.

ATI fubbed on the rating system of its 3000 series cards. The 3650 is weaker than the 2600xt. And the 3450 is weaker than the 3650 and only has 900mhz ddr2 ram iirc.

Just trying to be as blunt and to the point as possible.

ryu_joko · April 10th, 2008

is it because of the driver problem ? i think driver have something to do with perfomance...

PCXL-Fan · April 10th, 2008

nope its because they purposely designed the card to be weak and cheap for the very low end market. The specs on the cards are pretty weak. But thats why the card was so cheap even from the very first moment it hit the market.

skoreanime · April 10th, 2008

Purposely weak cards like those are more meant for home theater PCs then anything else really. If you just want to watch HD stuff and play not too intensive games like C&C, it should be all right.

PCXL-Fan · April 10th, 2008

I think he means c&c3 the new one that came out last year. The 3450 probably not the best card to play the game on.

ahh it has a 64bit memory bus.. so anything over 256mb of ram(and maybe even 128mb

) is totally useless and just a marketing ploy.

Phil · April 10th, 2008

Hit up ebay and get yourself a used X1800 for 50 bucks. or go all out and get a X1950 pro for 90 bucks.

stay away from DX10 cards if you dont have at least $140

runawayprisoner · April 10th, 2008

Aww... actually, if you have $110 and a bit of luck, you might just be able to grab some deals... like the 9600GT for $109 one that just happened a few days ago.

And yea... 8400GS is supposedly... inferior to HD 3450 despite the die shrink.

StriderVM · April 10th, 2008

Wait, I think.... They didn't do bad with their rating of the 3000 series.... Remember that the equal of the 2600XT should be the 3670.

It's like the 3850 should be the successor to the 2800 Pro and the 3870 to the 2800 XT?

Just my opinion though.....

**refraction** · April 10th, 2008

well from what i can tell from browsing the web, the 3450 is about half the speed if not less that of the Geforce 7600GT, but the X800 GTO IS half the speed of the 7600GT at least.

So spending $50 on a downgrade/non-mover would be a complete waste of money.

SCHUMI-4-EVA · April 10th, 2008

huh? there's such a difference between the 7600GT and the X800GTO ref? When I check benchmarks my X850XT is slightly better than the 7600GT some of the time?

Clements · April 10th, 2008

7600GT is a fair bit faster than an unmodified X800GTO, and supports SM3.0. X850XT and 7600GT are a bit closer, but the 7600GT is still better overall.

I would advise the OP to hit ebay and get a better deal. X1800XT sounds a good starting point. When I buy video cards on roughly a two-year cycle, I personally always try for at least a 100% improvement in performance.

ryu_joko · April 10th, 2008

i'm from indonesia, so there are nobody want to shipping the used card even i want to buy it.

and how about 4000 series ? will this better than my x800 GTO? must i wait or just buy 3450?

SCHUMI-4-EVA · April 10th, 2008

wait if <50 is all you can pay...

runawayprisoner · April 10th, 2008

Wait until you can spend >50 is... all I can say.

(Honest!)

PCXL-Fan · April 10th, 2008

A $50 videocard and HD video playback is an oxymoron.

who spends $50 on a videocard and then $250-300 on a bluray drive? Then more for a HDCP compliant monitor.

Even if your not doing it the legal way, its still an oxymoron. Your in jakarta.. isn't high speed internet uber expensive?

April 10th, 2008	#1 (permalink)
ryu_joko I'm dangerous Join Date: May 2001 Location: Jakarta Posts: 495	x800 gto vs HD3450 i want to have a new videocard for <$50 for my pc, what i have now is x800 GTO and i want to subtitude it with HD 3450. is it equal in perfomance ? or which one better ? i just want to play HD movies and sometimes play Command and conquer. __________________ Arrrrggghhhh!!!! this is $#!+

April 10th, 2008	#2 (permalink)
PCXL-Fan professor el tasto' Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Canada ──────────────────── PC Accelerator (aka PCXL) was a Computer gaming magazine published from 1997 until 2000 Posts: 2,326	A general guessimation tells me performance is going to be slightly-moderately worse than the x800 GTO. Though the card is 3 generations newer it is the weakest of the 3000 lineup. Its pretty much crap. You get what you pay for in terms of sub $50 cards. Advantages of the 3450: - Does some of the work usually done by the cpu when running video. (good if you have a slow cpu) -Is HDCP compliant (Good for watching LEGAL HD movies) though you also need a HDCP compliant monitor and a Blu-ray drive. Disadvantages: -Weaker than the x800 GTO __________________ E6600 Core 2 Duo Geforce 8800GTX @ Stock Speed. 1x 2.1GB HDD, 1x 1.4GB HDD Windows XP Pro Sp2. \| Flexing my penticeps for tri-mammaried ladies across the world \| gamersat678's Bug Reporter \|\|\| cottonvibe's pcsx2 guide for noobs \|\|\| GSdx plugin

April 10th, 2008	#3 (permalink)
ryu_joko I'm dangerous Join Date: May 2001 Location: Jakarta Posts: 495	is there anyone can show me the benchmark for these 2 cards ? thanks __________________ Arrrrggghhhh!!!! this is $#!+

April 10th, 2008	#4 (permalink)
PCXL-Fan professor el tasto' Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Canada ──────────────────── PC Accelerator (aka PCXL) was a Computer gaming magazine published from 1997 until 2000 Posts: 2,326	google them yourself. also go to 3dmark06 official site to see what submitted results are for computers with similar systems yet those 2 cards. Don't get the card. It sucks. Its utter crap. __________________ E6600 Core 2 Duo Geforce 8800GTX @ Stock Speed. 1x 2.1GB HDD, 1x 1.4GB HDD Windows XP Pro Sp2. \| Flexing my penticeps for tri-mammaried ladies across the world \| gamersat678's Bug Reporter \|\|\| cottonvibe's pcsx2 guide for noobs \|\|\| GSdx plugin

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runawayprisoner Google-translated Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 3,381	Don't be so harsh? At least it's better than 8400GS. __________________ My best friend: Kopu: Asus Eee PC 701 Next best friend: Gamu CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 @ 3.80GHz RAM: 2GB of DDR2 800MHz (brandless, and brainless) GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4850 @ 800/1100 Good for PCSX2: overclock, overclock, and even more overclock.

April 10th, 2008	#6 (permalink)
PCXL-Fan professor el tasto' Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Canada ──────────────────── PC Accelerator (aka PCXL) was a Computer gaming magazine published from 1997 until 2000 Posts: 2,326	are you so sure? I don't think so actually. 8400GS might be on par with it. Just cuz it went for a die shrink going to 55nm transistors..and got an extra 128-384mb more ram than the 8400GS... the fact of the matter is it still isn't worth him to get it. ATI fubbed on the rating system of its 3000 series cards. The 3650 is weaker than the 2600xt. And the 3450 is weaker than the 3650 and only has 900mhz ddr2 ram iirc. Just trying to be as blunt and to the point as possible. __________________ E6600 Core 2 Duo Geforce 8800GTX @ Stock Speed. 1x 2.1GB HDD, 1x 1.4GB HDD Windows XP Pro Sp2. \| Flexing my penticeps for tri-mammaried ladies across the world \| gamersat678's Bug Reporter \|\|\| cottonvibe's pcsx2 guide for noobs \|\|\| GSdx plugin Last edited by PCXL-Fan; April 10th, 2008 at 05:50.

April 10th, 2008	#7 (permalink)
ryu_joko I'm dangerous Join Date: May 2001 Location: Jakarta Posts: 495	is it because of the driver problem ? i think driver have something to do with perfomance... __________________ Arrrrggghhhh!!!! this is $#!+

April 10th, 2008	#8 (permalink)
PCXL-Fan professor el tasto' Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Canada ──────────────────── PC Accelerator (aka PCXL) was a Computer gaming magazine published from 1997 until 2000 Posts: 2,326	nope its because they purposely designed the card to be weak and cheap for the very low end market. The specs on the cards are pretty weak. But thats why the card was so cheap even from the very first moment it hit the market. __________________ E6600 Core 2 Duo Geforce 8800GTX @ Stock Speed. 1x 2.1GB HDD, 1x 1.4GB HDD Windows XP Pro Sp2. \| Flexing my penticeps for tri-mammaried ladies across the world \| gamersat678's Bug Reporter \|\|\| cottonvibe's pcsx2 guide for noobs \|\|\| GSdx plugin

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skoreanime Insomniac in training... Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 3,628	Purposely weak cards like those are more meant for home theater PCs then anything else really. If you just want to watch HD stuff and play not too intensive games like C&C, it should be all right. __________________ Born free, riding free, living free. Always be free. Q6600 @ 3Ghz, 333x9 Gigabyte DS3R, Rev1.0 Patriot Extreme DDR2 PC-6400RAM BFG 9800GX2 @ stock

April 10th, 2008	#10 (permalink)
PCXL-Fan professor el tasto' Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Canada ──────────────────── PC Accelerator (aka PCXL) was a Computer gaming magazine published from 1997 until 2000 Posts: 2,326	I think he means c&c3 the new one that came out last year. The 3450 probably not the best card to play the game on. ahh it has a 64bit memory bus.. so anything over 256mb of ram(and maybe even 128mb ) is totally useless and just a marketing ploy. __________________ E6600 Core 2 Duo Geforce 8800GTX @ Stock Speed. 1x 2.1GB HDD, 1x 1.4GB HDD Windows XP Pro Sp2. \| Flexing my penticeps for tri-mammaried ladies across the world \| gamersat678's Bug Reporter \|\|\| cottonvibe's pcsx2 guide for noobs \|\|\| GSdx plugin

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Phil PCSX3 Coder Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Maryland, where the big boys play. Posts: 3,093	Hit up ebay and get yourself a used X1800 for 50 bucks. or go all out and get a X1950 pro for 90 bucks. stay away from DX10 cards if you dont have at least $140 __________________ Antec P182 Special Edition (Chrome Finish) : Intel e8400 : Thermaltake ToughPower 650 watt PSU : Corsair Dominater DHX 1066 DDR2 Ram : Asus P5K : 500 Gb Seagate : 74 GB Raptor : Samsung 20x DVD optical Drive : Samsung Syncmaster T220 22" LCD : Windows 95 : XFX 8800gt Cooling: Swiftech Apogee GTX Special Edition (Copper Finish) : Feser X-Changer Dual 120mm Radiator : XSPC Bay Resevoir : Danger den Chrome Barbs : Feser UV anti kink 1/2" ID tubing : Danger Den D5

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runawayprisoner Google-translated Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 3,381	Aww... actually, if you have $110 and a bit of luck, you might just be able to grab some deals... like the 9600GT for $109 one that just happened a few days ago. And yea... 8400GS is supposedly... inferior to HD 3450 despite the die shrink. __________________ My best friend: Kopu: Asus Eee PC 701 Next best friend: Gamu CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 @ 3.80GHz RAM: 2GB of DDR2 800MHz (brandless, and brainless) GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4850 @ 800/1100 Good for PCSX2: overclock, overclock, and even more overclock.

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StriderVM Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Philippines Posts: 1,561	Wait, I think.... They didn't do bad with their rating of the 3000 series.... Remember that the equal of the 2600XT should be the 3670. It's like the 3850 should be the successor to the 2800 Pro and the 3870 to the 2800 XT? Just my opinion though..... __________________ Current PC specs MSI K9VGM-V AMD Athlon64 X2 5600 OCed @ 3052Mhz (218x14) GeCube Radeon 3850 256MB gDDR3 OCed @ 740/1000 2x1024MB DDR2 667Mhz RAM (One PQI one Kingston.... O_o)

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refraction PCSX2 Coder $refraction's Avatar$ Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Plymouth, UK Posts: 9,744	well from what i can tell from browsing the web, the 3450 is about half the speed if not less that of the Geforce 7600GT, but the X800 GTO IS half the speed of the 7600GT at least. So spending $50 on a downgrade/non-mover would be a complete waste of money. __________________ http://www.generalemu.net/ Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 3.4Ghz (425x8), eVGA 8800GTX 768mb, 996Gb HDs, 2Gb Corsair DDR2-800 @ DDR2-1020 5-5-5-18 Dual Channel, 14605 3dMark 06 Points CPU-Z Link 3dMark06 Score Link Dont PM me for help, use the forums, thats what its for!
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SCHUMI-4-EVA Devastating Force Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Xenophobia FTL Posts: 4,599	huh? there's such a difference between the 7600GT and the X800GTO ref? When I check benchmarks my X850XT is slightly better than the 7600GT some of the time? __________________ AMD Athlon64 3700+ (2.2Ghz rated as 3.7Ghz Pentium), ASUS A8NE-FM (OEM), 4x512MB DDR400 RAM, ATI Radeon X850XT (256MB GDDR3 PCIe), Seagate Barracuda 320GB SATA2 HDD, Windows XP SP2 Home, Leadtek Winfast TV2000 XP Expert, Creative Sound Blaster Audigy Value Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!! The Champ has retired, but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!!

April 10th, 2008	#16 (permalink)
Clements MMP-2 Dude Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 1,635	7600GT is a fair bit faster than an unmodified X800GTO, and supports SM3.0. X850XT and 7600GT are a bit closer, but the 7600GT is still better overall. I would advise the OP to hit ebay and get a better deal. X1800XT sounds a good starting point. When I buy video cards on roughly a two-year cycle, I personally always try for at least a 100% improvement in performance. __________________ PJ64 Homepage \| ZSNES Documentation Project \| bsnes Supporter

April 10th, 2008	#17 (permalink)
ryu_joko I'm dangerous Join Date: May 2001 Location: Jakarta Posts: 495	i'm from indonesia, so there are nobody want to shipping the used card even i want to buy it. and how about 4000 series ? will this better than my x800 GTO? must i wait or just buy 3450? __________________ Arrrrggghhhh!!!! this is $#!+

April 10th, 2008	#18 (permalink)
SCHUMI-4-EVA Devastating Force Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Xenophobia FTL Posts: 4,599	wait if <50 is all you can pay... __________________ AMD Athlon64 3700+ (2.2Ghz rated as 3.7Ghz Pentium), ASUS A8NE-FM (OEM), 4x512MB DDR400 RAM, ATI Radeon X850XT (256MB GDDR3 PCIe), Seagate Barracuda 320GB SATA2 HDD, Windows XP SP2 Home, Leadtek Winfast TV2000 XP Expert, Creative Sound Blaster Audigy Value Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!! The Champ has retired, but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!!

April 10th, 2008	#19 (permalink)
runawayprisoner Google-translated Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 3,381	Wait until you can spend >50 is... all I can say. (Honest!) __________________ My best friend: Kopu: Asus Eee PC 701 Next best friend: Gamu CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 @ 3.80GHz RAM: 2GB of DDR2 800MHz (brandless, and brainless) GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4850 @ 800/1100 Good for PCSX2: overclock, overclock, and even more overclock.

April 10th, 2008	#20 (permalink)
PCXL-Fan professor el tasto' Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Canada ──────────────────── PC Accelerator (aka PCXL) was a Computer gaming magazine published from 1997 until 2000 Posts: 2,326	A $50 videocard and HD video playback is an oxymoron. who spends $50 on a videocard and then $250-300 on a bluray drive? Then more for a HDCP compliant monitor. Even if your not doing it the legal way, its still an oxymoron. Your in jakarta.. isn't high speed internet uber expensive? __________________ E6600 Core 2 Duo Geforce 8800GTX @ Stock Speed. 1x 2.1GB HDD, 1x 1.4GB HDD Windows XP Pro Sp2. \| Flexing my penticeps for tri-mammaried ladies across the world \| gamersat678's Bug Reporter \|\|\| cottonvibe's pcsx2 guide for noobs \|\|\| GSdx plugin

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